1984 Commission Meeting

[Browniety86]

I was watching the Fear City doc on Netflix last night and I remember Lin Delvecchio saying his informant, obviously Greg Scarpa Sr, is the one who gave up the time and place for that meeting...Agents Andy Kurins and Joe O'Brien got very incriminating photos that helped in the RICO case being built against all the bosses...
My question is why was Scarpa, who was a soldier under Anthony Scarpati, be privy to that information?...I can maybe understand a captain getting that information second hand but honestly I would think that would have been protected information kept amongst the respective family administrations...

[Pogo The Clown]

I don't think the Colombo leaders themselves didn't even know where the meeting was going to be until the day of. If I remember right it was the Gambinos who organized the whole thing and chose the site.


Pogo

[Browniety86]

I don't think the Colombo leaders themselves didn't even know where the meeting was going to be until the day of. If I remember right it was the Gambinos who organized the whole thing and chose the site.


Pogo

Wonder how Delvecchio's informant knew so quickly? That's me assuming it came from the Colombo family and Scarpa Sr...He did say on the documentary he had a Lucchese informant though...Maybe it came from them and they were close to the admin...all assumptions, just kind of got a train of thought in motion...thanks Pogo

[Pogo The Clown]

There is a strong possibility that the informant was Frank DeCicco since evidently he helped organize the meeting.


Pogo

[NothingNew44]

I don't think the Colombo leaders themselves didn't even know where the meeting was going to be until the day of. If I remember right it was the Gambinos who organized the whole thing and chose the site.


Pogo

Wonder how Delvecchio's informant knew so quickly? That's me assuming it came from the Colombo family and Scarpa Sr...He did say on the documentary he had a Lucchese informant though...Maybe it came from them and they were close to the admin...all assumptions, just kind of got a train of thought in motion...thanks Pogo

There’s an entire discussion laying out the evidence against DeCicco. It makes a lot of sense, look it up. You’ll enjoy the read.

[Browniety86]

There is a strong possibility that the informant was Frank DeCicco since evidently he helped organize the meeting.


Pogo

I've read the discussion on DeCicco and you know I never thought of him at all...makes a whole hell of a lot of sense...

[B.]

There's nothing to suggest Scarpa provided the info.

The meeting was organized by the Gambino Family, specifically Frank DeCicco who arranged for the house and drove the attendees back and forth to the meeting. It's unlikely that gossip about this secretive meeting would have been widely known and the non-Gambino attendees shouldn't have known the location in advance.

The informant was likely DeCicco or someone close to him. Gus Sclafani, whose mother-in-law gave him accurate LE info, laid down his life to accuse DeCicco of being an informant so his role in this is very suspicious. At the very least the informant got the info from him.

Keep in mind the FBI was told the exact address, time, and date of this meeting. How many people would have known that outside of Castellano's inner circle? And who among them was willing to betray Castellano?

[Browniety86]

There's nothing to suggest Scarpa provided the info.

The meeting was organized by the Gambino Family, specifically Frank DeCicco who arranged for the house and drove the attendees back and forth to the meeting. It's unlikely that gossip about this secretive meeting would have been widely known and the non-Gambino attendees shouldn't have known the location in advance.

The informant was likely DeCicco or someone close to him. Gus Sclafani, whose mother-in-law gave him accurate LE info, laid down his life to accuse DeCicco of being an informant so his role in this is very suspicious. At the very least the informant got the info from him.

Keep in mind the FBI was told the exact address, time, and date of this meeting. How many people would have known that outside of Castellano's inner circle? And who among them was willing to betray Castellano?

I had just made the connection from the documentary where DeVecchio says he got the time and location from his informant, which Scarpa wasnt his only prominent one probably...
Interesting point on Sclafani B., there was a reason DeCicco wanted him hit soon as Gotti took the reigns and I don't think it was just bruised ego...

[B.]

Sclafani had also been providing good information from his mother-in-law for around a decade by the time he made the DeCicco accusation.

Either he used his reputation for providing substantial inside info from LE to lie about DeCicco or he did have some info that incriminated DeCicco. He would have known however that those kinds of accusations need substance. I believe Pennisi said an accusation that someone is an informant requires "paperwork" proving it.

[Browniety86]

Sclafani had also been providing good information from his mother-in-law for around a decade by the time he made the DeCicco accusation.

Either he used his reputation for providing substantial inside info from LE to lie about DeCicco or he did have some info that incriminated DeCicco. He would have known however that those kinds of accusations need substance. I believe Pennisi said an accusation that someone is an informant requires "paperwork" proving it.

Joe Butch also had a connection to pending subpoenas and indictments...With Salerno allegedly only being a front for Chin, would he attend these meetings and then report the contents back to Gigante...I wonder if attendees would have prior knowledge to topics and beefs discussed beforehand and in that case Gigante could give instructions to Fat Tony on positions to take?

[B.]

His connection was Sclafani, his cousin. That's what I mean about Sclafani having a history of supplying good intel.

[johnny_scootch]

I wonder if attendees would have prior knowledge to topics and beefs discussed beforehand and in that case Gigante could give instructions to Fat Tony on positions to take?

They absolutely 100% would know the reason for the meeting and main topics to be discussed.

[DonPeppino386]

I don't think the Colombo leaders themselves didn't even know where the meeting was going to be until the day of. If I remember right it was the Gambinos who organized the whole thing and chose the site.


Pogo

Wonder how Delvecchio's informant knew so quickly? That's me assuming it came from the Colombo family and Scarpa Sr...He did say on the documentary he had a Lucchese informant though...Maybe it came from them and they were close to the admin...all assumptions, just kind of got a train of thought in motion...thanks Pogo

There’s an entire discussion laying out the evidence against DeCicco. It makes a lot of sense, look it up. You’ll enjoy the read.

Where can this discussion be found?

[Browniety86]

I wonder if attendees would have prior knowledge to topics and beefs discussed beforehand and in that case Gigante could give instructions to Fat Tony on positions to take?

They absolutely 100% would know the reason for the meeting and main topics to be discussed.

Which would make it very easy for the Genovese to conceal the true power of the family... That being said though, Salerno was no patsy... Other families from throughout the country sought his counsel and he had great respect throughout the Mafia...

[Browniety86]

Who besides Gerry Langella attended this meeting for the Colombos? Was Allie Boy Jr acting consigliere at the time? Pretty sure the surveillance picture of him with the shades on is from this meeting...just wondering his position at this point in time...I'm thinking an acting consigliere role with his uncle being in the wind at the time...