Mob Royalty

[CabriniGreen]

Scoppas statement, " You must understand, that the Rizzutos are a bit like royalty".....

I've wanted to do this for awhile, mainly because I love Machiavelli, y'all gotta indulge me this once, lol


* On the Rizzutos maintaining power.....


“I say, then, that hereditary states accustomed to the family of their ruler are more easily kept than new ones, because it is sufficient if the prince does not abandon the methods of his ancestors and proves adaptable when unforeseen events occur. In this way a prince of ordinary capability will always keep his state unless he is deprived of it by an exceptional or exceedingly powerful force. If he is once deprived of it, however, he will nevertheless regain it at the slightest adversity that the conqueror encounters.

This sounds a lot like Leo Rizzuto......


In Italy we have the example of the Duke of Ferrara, who was able to sustain the assaults of the Venetians in 1484 and those of Pope Julius in 1510 for no other reason than that he had been long established in that dominion.


The hereditary prince has less cause and less need to offend than a new one. Hence it follows that he is more readily loved. If unusual vices do not make him hated, it is reasonable to suppose that his subjects will feel a natural affection for him. Furthermore, one change always leaves dentations upon which to build another, but in a long and continuous “rule the recollection of changes and of their causes tends to be forgotten.”


* On the reasons for insurrection........


“In a new principality, however, there are difficulties. To begin with, if it is not entirely new, but an added member so to speak (the old and the new together being called a mixed principality), changes of authority come about from a natural hazard which exists in all new principalities: that is, from the willingness of men to change one lord for another, believing thus to improve their lot. For this reason they take arms against their ruler; but in this they deceive themselves, for experience will prove that they will actually have worsened their lot.

This would be all Vitos lieutenants.....


This in turn will be the result of another common and natural necessity, for by the presence of his soldiers and by those other innumerable offenses that follow upon conquest, the new ruler must inevitably distress those over whom he establishes his rule.

So it happens that he makes enemies of all those whom he has injured in occupying the new principality, and yet he cannot keep the friendship of those who have set him up; for he cannot satisfy them as they had expected and, since he is obligated to them, he cannot use strong medicine against them.

This would be Dejardins, and Miriarchi



“Even if one has a very strong army, he will always need the good will of the inhabitants when entering a province. For these reasons Louis XII, King of France, quickly occupied Milan and quickly lost it. Ludovico’s own forces were enough to take it from him the first time because those people who had opened the gates to the King, finding themselves deceived in their opinions and in their expectations, could not endure the irritations inflicted by their new ruler.

Again, Dejardins, Miriarchi.....

• Montagnas big mistakes.......

“I say, therefore, that these conquered states which are joined to a state already long held by the conqueror may either belong to the same region and have the same language, or they may not. When they do, it is very easy to keep them, especially if they are not accustomed to freedom.

To hold them securely, it is enough to have extinguished the line of princes who ruled them formerly and to maintain the pre-existent conditions. When there is no distinction of custom, men will live quietly, as happened in Burgundy, Brittany, Gascony, and Normandy, which have long been a part of France. Though there is some distinction of language among them, the customs are nevertheless alike, and the people can easily get along with each other.

Anyone who conquers such territories and wishes to hold on to them must do two things: the first is to extinguish the ruling family; the second is to alter neither the laws nor the taxes.”

“Thus in a short time they will become one with the conqueror’s original possessions.


Montagna, didnt wipe out all the Rizzutos, and the FIRST thing he did was change the taxes.


This is actually a mini hobby of mine. I love to take Machiavellis criteria for power, and apply it to different situations. It's kinda fun, lol There is real method to this madness, like a science to it almost. Machiavelli really understood power dynamics.....

I had to get that one off.... carry on board.....

[Etna]

This is outstanding

[Wiseguy]

Sun Tuh-Zoo! The Chinese Prince Matchabelli!

[JeremyTheJew]

LJS!?

[Wiseguy]

LJS!?

You were thinking the same thing I was. Definitely a similar style, no?

[CabriniGreen]

LJS? Long John Silver? Lol

[Wiseguy]

LJS? Long John Silver? Lol

Little Joe Shots

[CabriniGreen]

LJS? Long John Silver? Lol

Little Joe Shots

What's the story on this Little Joe?

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Sun Tuh-Zoo! The Chinese Prince Matchabelli!

WHAT?!?

[Wiseguy]

LJS? Long John Silver? Lol

Little Joe Shots

What's the story on this Little Joe?

Old poster from the Real Deal days. Notoriously long-winded (which you're not, necessarily) but you seem to have some of the same interests he did as far as the international connections, Machiavellian intrigue, and what not. He was fascinated with the Rizzutos. He would write whole novels on the mob on Wiki. The one he did for Buffalo was hilarious. Almost like a short novel, facts mixed with his personal views, and topped off with a "Salut!" at the end. It's since been cleaned up. He stopped posting suddenly and not sure whatever happened to him.

Sun Tuh-Zoo! The Chinese Prince Matchabelli!

WHAT?!?

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[B.]

LJS was active up until recently on Twitter under his real name and interacted in Buffalo/Ontario mafia posts. Looks like his account was suspended.

[Wiseguy]

LJS was active up until recently on Twitter under his real name and interacted in Buffalo/Ontario mafia posts. Looks like his account was suspended.

Interesting. I wonder if he knows about this board, assuming he isn't already here...

[stubbs]

Good stuff Cabrini! I’ve always thought of the Rizzotos, and the greater mafia as a whole, as a real-life version of Game of Thrones. With all of the talk about bloodlines, legacy, being under a banner, etc.

Like, Vito Rizzuto’s life story being essentially written for him before he was born, because of what family he was born into. But then there being new generations of leaders in the same family who don’t carry the same respect (Like Nick Jr or King Joffrey) as their elders did.

[Wiseguy]

Good stuff Cabrini! I’ve always thought of the Rizzotos, and the greater mafia as a whole, as a real-life version of Game of Thrones. With all of the talk about bloodlines, legacy, being under a banner, etc.

Like, Vito Rizzuto’s life story being essentially written for him before he was born, because of what family he was born into. But then there being new generations of leaders in the same family who don’t carry the same respect (Like Nick Jr or King Joffrey) as their elders did.

Any man who must say "I am the king" is no true king.

[JeremyTheJew]

LJS was active up until recently on Twitter under his real name and interacted in Buffalo/Ontario mafia posts. Looks like his account was suspended.

Interesting. I wonder if he knows about this board, assuming he isn't already here...

Damn I wish Ik he was still around.
I was all into the 6th family hype back then.
I didnt realize LJS wrote about Buffalo I thought it was only about Rizzutos takingnover the world.

I constantly think about him bc of all this Canadian war