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https://philly-prime-podcast.simplecast ... -episode-1

Some notes from the first episode of the Philly Prime podcast:
  • 20-30 made guys identified on the street, including the Scarfo-era people
  • Without referring to him specifically as the boss, Merlino is identified as still being a ‘major player’ and the ‘lightning rod’
Ligambi possibly moved over to consigliere since turning 80
Ligambi as consigliere is consistent with everything else that's come out about him since his release from prison in 2014; he's either been the acting boss or the consigliere
Lancellotti and Borgesi mentioned as examples of guys who have been identified as running things on the street (though they reiterate that Borgesi claims to be ‘at the bottom of the totem pole’ and not involved)
GA guesses that there are 4 or 5 capos and about a dozen soldiers, with 3 or 4 reporting to each capo
DS also mentions that the capos are now being referred to as 'street bosses' (this could be significant, because when GA reported that there was a committee running the family in 2015, he described Mazzone, Ciancaglini and Narducci as 'street bosses'; before this Ciancaglini was identified as a capo by LE so it's possible there was some conflation of terms there)
Licata is still running the Newark crew
DS mentions he’s heard of guys paying to get made, GA clarifies that today (due to the lack of mob murders) being an earner is how to get in
One guy didn’t want to contribute an envelope to Joey Merlino’s legal funds for his trial in New York, saying he had already given Joey 27 envelopes, meaning he served 27 months in prison
Unclear who the above guy is. It could be Angelina, he served about 27 months before being released to a halfway house after being sentenced in September 2012 (though he was held without bail since his indictment in May 2011)
GA questions whether any big indictment will come down on the organisation if nothing happens this year
GA and DS reiterate the point that there doesn’t seem to be a lot of activity on the street and it’s unclear how guys are making money

Unrelated to the podcast, I have some thoughts on the wider point of Ligambi's position in the family post-indictments:

GA identified Ligambi as having moved over to consigliere in a 2014 article
I think in 2015 he identified Ligambi and Chickie Ciancaglini as serving as 'dual consiglieres'
By 2016 GA reported that Ligambi was back as acting boss and in 2018 Ligambi was described as 'in consigliere mode' by DS - importantly, not stating explicitly that he was officially serving as consigliere - while Lancellotti was seen as the one running the street
Since then, it came out that Lancellotti is once again in ill health, and at the time of Ligambi's 80th birthday 'retirement' last year he was once again referred to as the acting boss of the organisation
Lancellotti was introduced to New York figures as Merlino's 'main man' in late 2014, pre-dating GA's report that Ligambi had returned to the role of acting boss
Scott Burnstein also first reported Lancellotti's increased stature in the organisation in 2015, specifically describing Lancellotti's role as assisting Mazzone in the running of the family rather than serving specifically as an acting boss for Merlino
This is more speculative on my part, but I'd argue that the most likely scenario is Ligambi was put back in as acting boss around 2015, 2016, (replacing Mazzone) but functioned more as a semiretired advisor while leaving Lancellotti to handle the day to day business of what's left of the Philly mob
I don't want to get bogged down in hierarchy and suggest that a family the size of Philly has a boss, underboss, consigliere, acting boss, street boss and 4 or 5 capos, but it's possible that Lancellotti was functioning as a kind of top captain, as has been described in other families
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Interesting. if you're ever around, its clear that George is second to no one except Joey, everybody loves Joe, and Stevie Mazzone is highly respected in his own right. Don't know about ranks but that's my two cents.
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dack2001 wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:50 pm Interesting. if you're ever around, its clear that George is second to no one except Joey, everybody loves Joe, and Stevie Mazzone is highly respected in his own right. Don't know about ranks but that's my two cents.
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No busts down there except for that Jersey thing with Servidio. Im surprised by that
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chin_gigante wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:22 pmGA and DS reiterate the point that there doesn’t seem to be a lot of activity on the street and it’s unclear how guys are making money
They've been hitting on this point frequently the last few years. Time and indictments (or lack thereof) will tell but it has been relatively quiet since the the big bust in 2011. A year from this month, that will have been a decade. Only a few minor cases since then. The case Merlino was caught up in was big but it was mostly a NY case that he alone was involved in.
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I still think Dom G has a problem.
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Wiseguy wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:20 pm
chin_gigante wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:22 pmGA and DS reiterate the point that there doesn’t seem to be a lot of activity on the street and it’s unclear how guys are making money
They've been hitting on this point frequently the last few years. Time and indictments (or lack thereof) will tell but it has been relatively quiet since the the big bust in 2011. A year from this month, that will have been a decade. Only a few minor cases since then. The case Merlino was caught up in was big but it was mostly a NY case that he alone was involved in.
They probably are hurting with legal gambling and a South Philly casino could dent their video gambling interests in the area.

The Westside make big $ as loan sharks but you just don’t need a vast network of associates that you need for gambling

Philly guys will also use Luchesse / Westside sports book rather then being the bank. Pretty smart actually as it reduces legal and capital risk.

Philly is gaining in population ( with young kids ) so their gambling book normally would be growing, kick in the balls.

It doesn’t seem like Philly guys have many bar / restaurants interests ? They seem pretty small time with a few guys having some valuable real estate but it doesn’t seem like they have much construction interests which should be booming. It doesn’t seem like they got into the pill business which was a monster $ maker for a time. They just haven’t evolved and might be dying a slow death as a result.
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Borgesi, yes. And getting an indication what's going on from a podcast like this is a bit pointless. Days of guys shaking other guys down in the street are over but that doesn't mean everybody took a job at Lowes. Anastasia and Schratweiser are stuck in the 80s.

As far as Dom goes, it will be interesting what they do with this Anthony Persiano. His sentencing is set for May. Could get pushed back again or they could sentence him. If he gets sentenced it might be an indication that Dom is out of the woods in Jersey and a major indictment isn't coming....what kind of indictment could you get if he was only reporting to Dom and they (him and Joey Electric) were lying about selling drugs? Without a murder and tie-in to Joey the US Attorneys office has much more dangerous criminals to chase.
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and by dangerous criminals, I mean headlines.
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dack2001 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:39 am Borgesi, yes. And getting an indication what's going on from a podcast like this is a bit pointless. Days of guys shaking other guys down in the street are over but that doesn't mean everybody took a job at Lowes. Anastasia and Schratweiser are stuck in the 80s.

As far as Dom goes, it will be interesting what they do with this Anthony Persiano. His sentencing is set for May. Could get pushed back again or they could sentence him. If he gets sentenced it might be an indication that Dom is out of the woods in Jersey and a major indictment isn't coming....what kind of indictment could you get if he was only reporting to Dom and they (him and Joey Electric) were lying about selling drugs? Without a murder and tie-in to Joey the US Attorneys office has much more dangerous criminals to chase.
Persiano was meeting with other people than Dom and Servidio according to that criminal complaint, but if nothing has come by now I'm starting to think it never comes.
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This is a good format for them. I enjoy seeing the original surveillance footage in their videos but a podcast is going to have more natural discussion. Anastasia is on a level where anything he says about the Philly family is interesting, even speculation and random talk.

For as much as people get on Schratweiser's case (there's no denying he's the Fool to George's Straight Man), I have respect for his dedication to covering this family and the balls he has to walk up to these guys asking questions. For as much as the Philly family has gotten this "cocktails and instagram" reputation in recent years, they still have a high ratio of killers in the family and I crack up thinking about Schratweiser bumbling over to them. Too bad they couldn't decipher what Ligambi said about him in the Stefanelli tapes.
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I enjoyed this much more than Mobtalk Sitdown. I like Mobtalk Sitdown, but it’s almost like one of those sports/politics shows where they only have a short time to discuss a topic. They were able to expound much more in this format. And the wind wasn’t blowing 20mph and a train wasn’t going by.

The 2 most interesting observations to me were both from GA. First he said there are more guys on the street than anytime in the last 15-20 years but the pie they are dividing up is smaller than its ever been. Which is an obvious statement but I think it’s also the best possible summary of Philly. Then he said if there were no major busts in 2020, it’s probably not worth it to continue to cover them.

They just seem to be at a loss for what these guys rackets are these days outside of a little gambling and house flipping mortgage stuff. They just know they like to party and have a good time.
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They’ve replaced the Joker Poker screens with Pennsylvania Skill Machines which are basically the same thing but you’re just matching colors or things with each other and they pay out a certain percentage. You basically only hop on one if you see someone lose for awhile. They’re a gray area cuz they’re technically not illegal because they’re skill machines and not straight up gambling but point is I see em eberywhere now. There’s a check cashing place on Broad street that’s basically a mini-casino they got like 15 of them in there and people sitting at them all day long. Probably bringing a lot of good, and technically legal money into the family.
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I admit I love playing them hah
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could we even do a Philly 2020 chart right now?
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