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Couple of questions concerning philly mob boss turned rat ralph natale:
1. What was the full story behind the joe sodano hit? Ive read that mike virgilino and others participated, and ive also read that pete caprio participated.
2. Natale stated that he only gave one mobster a pass rather than murdering them. Anyone know who he is referring to?
3. Who did ralph induct into the family while he was boss?
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Philip Casale shot Sodano. Caprio drove the getaway car. Vincent Centorino was also involved. Forgot what his role was.


Not sure everyone Natale inducted. John Ciancaglini would have been one. Joseph Curro is a strong possibility. Maybe Nicky Olivieri. A bunch of guys were made in the late 90s but they could have been made after Natale was in prison. Hopefully JDs next installment on Natale will cover his ceremonies.


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Pogo The Clown wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:40 pm Philip Casale shot Sodano. Caprio drove the getaway car. Vincent Centorino was also involved. Forgot what his role was.


Not sure everyone Natale inducted. John Ciancaglini would have been one. Joseph Curro is a strong possibility. Maybe Nicky Olivieri. A bunch of guys were made in the late 90s but they could have been made after Natale was in prison. Hopefully JDs next installment on Natale will cover his ceremonies.


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Yeah because when you think about it, everyone we have from 1994 until 1999 with the exception of John Ciancaglini and maybe Curro, were all made by Merlino.
Mid/Late 1994:
Steven "Handsome Steve" Mazzone (sponsored by Joey Merlino)
George “Georgie Boy” Borgesi (sponsored by Joey Merlino)
Martin "Marty" Angelina (sponsored by Joey Merlino)
Michael "Mikey Lance" Lancelotti (sponsored by Joey Merlino)
Vincent "Vince" Iannece (sponsored by Joey Merlino)


November/December 1994: (At a hotel near Veterans Stadium)
Ralph Natale (sponsored by Joey Merlino)
Frank Gambino
-Ralph Natale became Boss and Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino became UnderBoss at this ceremony.


1995:
John "Johnny Chang" Ciancaglini


Likely candidate for the 1995 ceremony:
Joseph "Joe Crutch" Curro


1998: (Could have been broken up into separate ceremonies)
Michael "Mikey Penknife" Virgilio
Robert "Bobby" Luisi Jr.
Robert “The Cook” Gentile
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Could Martin "Marty Crutch" Curro and possibly Phillip Ligambi have been made by Natale
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http://lcnbios.blogspot.com/2018/10/ral ... s.html?m=1


Heres info from his actual testimony rather then his book where he did not have to be truthfull
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Hailbritain wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:09 pm Could Martin "Marty Crutch" Curro and possibly Phillip Ligambi have been made by Natale

Most certainly for Curro if he wasn't among the first Ligambi 5. If Phil Ligambi is made then he most certainly would have been another one. If not by Natale then Merlino during the 1998-1999 period. Virgilio was most likely made during that period after his role in the Turra hit. We now know the Boston ceremony (conducted by Borgesi) inolved only Boston guy's.


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slimshady_007 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:00 pm Couple of questions concerning philly mob boss turned rat ralph natale:
1. What was the full story behind the joe sodano hit? Ive read that mike virgilino and others participated, and ive also read that pete caprio participated.
2. Natale stated that he only gave one mobster a pass rather than murdering them. Anyone know who he is referring to?
3. Who did ralph induct into the family while he was boss?
I recall Natale mentioning that Joey Merlino wanted permission to kill Ron Previte cause they had a hunch he was a rat and untrustwothy but he told him to back off.
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CatStevens9 wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:24 pm I recall Natale mentioning that Joey Merlino wanted permission to kill Ron Previte cause they had a hunch he was a rat and untrustwothy but he told him to back off.
So Natale wasn't just Merlino's puppet after all and could stop him from ordering a hit?
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CatStevens9 wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:24 pm
slimshady_007 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:00 pm Couple of questions concerning philly mob boss turned rat ralph natale:
1. What was the full story behind the joe sodano hit? Ive read that mike virgilino and others participated, and ive also read that pete caprio participated.
2. Natale stated that he only gave one mobster a pass rather than murdering them. Anyone know who he is referring to?
3. Who did ralph induct into the family while he was boss?
I recall Natale mentioning that Joey Merlino wanted permission to kill Ron Previte cause they had a hunch he was a rat and untrustwothy but he told him to back off.
Natale was a absolute liar. I doubt Joey would ask permission at all. And think about it... joey made natale!! Actually if were talkin natales word.... he was made by Bruno and Gambino in a secret ceremony
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Dwalin2014 wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:35 pm
CatStevens9 wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:24 pm I recall Natale mentioning that Joey Merlino wanted permission to kill Ron Previte cause they had a hunch he was a rat and untrustwothy but he told him to back off.
So Natale wasn't just Merlino's puppet after all and could stop him from ordering a hit?
Melrino boworred 15k from Ralph Natale and then boworred 15k from previte aka the fbi to give natale his money back , so merlino had at least a little respect for Ralph
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Stroccos wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:36 am
Dwalin2014 wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:35 pm
CatStevens9 wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:24 pm I recall Natale mentioning that Joey Merlino wanted permission to kill Ron Previte cause they had a hunch he was a rat and untrustwothy but he told him to back off.
So Natale wasn't just Merlino's puppet after all and could stop him from ordering a hit?
Melrino boworred 15k from Ralph Natale and then boworred 15k from previte aka the fbi to give natale his money back , so merlino had at least a little respect for Ralph
I think Natale sincerely believed he was boss of Philly.
Do we know if Natale ever met with any other Families? Or if they even contacted NY about him being boss? I feel that back then Joey didnt give a shit about NY so it didnt really matter what they said. Stanfa had the okay from the Gambinos ik.
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JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:16 pm
CatStevens9 wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:24 pm
slimshady_007 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:00 pm Couple of questions concerning philly mob boss turned rat ralph natale:
1. What was the full story behind the joe sodano hit? Ive read that mike virgilino and others participated, and ive also read that pete caprio participated.
2. Natale stated that he only gave one mobster a pass rather than murdering them. Anyone know who he is referring to?
3. Who did ralph induct into the family while he was boss?
I recall Natale mentioning that Joey Merlino wanted permission to kill Ron Previte cause they had a hunch he was a rat and untrustwothy but he told him to back off.
Natale was a absolute liar. I doubt Joey would ask permission at all. And think about it... joey made natale!! Actually if were talkin natales word.... he was made by Bruno and Gambino in a secret ceremony
Yea I guess everything Ralph Natale says should be taken with a grain of salt. He wasn't well liked by most of the Bruno guys or the Merlino guys. Aside from being good with union corruption he was pretty much a nobody and was at the right place at the right time. He was a Junior Soprano like boss who was taken advantage of by Joey and his friends.
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Natale traveled to New York and met with Bufalino boss William D’Elia in Manhattan and with Colombo acting boss Andrew Russo in 1996.
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gohnjotti wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:51 pm Natale traveled to New York and met with Bufalino boss William D’Elia in Manhattan and with Colombo acting boss Andrew Russo in 1996.
Really?? Wow. Surprising for sure.... do we know what was discussed at this meeting??
I cant really think what all three would have in business wise, maybe Atlantic City?? Bufalinos controlled a lot unions but i doubt D'Elia had anything ×ith them.... im pretty sure the fam was in full decline by that point
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Natale met up with Bonanno members in NYC to discuss the Hell’s Angels-Pagans conflict in Philadelphia.

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