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You’re a gentlemanChris Christie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:52 pmYou're the reason this came about. Credit goes to you!
I take that with A grain of salt , of the course the two rats weren't made its like sonny Barger claiming that undercover fed in Arizona never became a hells angels.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:15 pm THANKS GUYS. I always appreciate all the feedback, if we still had the "like" button that would reflect it.
1 General - There's a photo of Nicky Whip and Thomas Morrone out there that Ivan is trying to help me acquire, if he gets it I'll be updating this chart.
2 Stroccamin - Previte's membership is still debated. He claims Stanfa just one day (during the war) told him he's a made guy and that there'd be a ceremony later which due to the indictments never occurred. If you haven't read The Last Gangster I can post the reference for you. But what to make of it? Anastasia's bookcover refers to Previte as a capo yet the issue is barely covered (and if so in the front, "first as an associate, then a made guy and then later on a capo." Inside the actual story he details no promotions, doesn't mention any administrative meetings, his main guy is Fred Aldrich and the stuff he is involved in could have just as easily come from someone at the associate level. But while I just described everything BUT a quintessential capo I'm just an asshole who read a book so who am I to say? However, others have raised this same question, (Pogo) citing Stanfa's making of Veasey as evidence that ceremonies occurred.
I used to be friends with Kenji Gallo, we never stopped being friends we just haven't seen or spoken to each other in years, who claimed neither Previte nor Veasey were members. He claims to have met Philadelphia members through the Colombos, he never elaborated more nor did I ask for specifics. Take that however you want.
Also, with Joseph Pungitore's alliance during the war, I've seen no evidence whether he was for or against. Same goes for Ligambi and a number of individuals including John Chang. The only confirmed is the father Chicky Chang supporting the Merlino Family and Natale, who wasn't even a member.
Great chart btw I was just trying to get some dialage going ,dack2001 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:37 pm John Ciacaglini or Mike Virgilio on the chart?
Joe Pung reportedly requested permission from Merlino/Ligambi to kill Joe Grande for supporting Scarfo(!) instead of the Merlino faction in prison. They supposedly came to blows over it. Joe Scoops spoke up on Grande behalf and he was sent to Jersey under Sccops. Infer from that maneuver which side Pung was on.
No one worth a shit was reporting to Previte, he had no one to protect, his "crew" were a few lowlifes in Hammonton. Natale and Merlino viewed him as a walking ATM. Lutz said in an interview a few years back that Merlino and others suspected he was a rat since they found it suspicious he didn't get pinched when Stanfa and everyone associated with Stanfa got locked up.Stroccos wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:47 pmI take that with A grain of salt , of the course the two rats weren't made its like sonny Barger claiming that undercover fed in Arizona never became a hells angels.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:15 pm THANKS GUYS. I always appreciate all the feedback, if we still had the "like" button that would reflect it.
1 General - There's a photo of Nicky Whip and Thomas Morrone out there that Ivan is trying to help me acquire, if he gets it I'll be updating this chart.
2 Stroccamin - Previte's membership is still debated. He claims Stanfa just one day (during the war) told him he's a made guy and that there'd be a ceremony later which due to the indictments never occurred. If you haven't read The Last Gangster I can post the reference for you. But what to make of it? Anastasia's bookcover refers to Previte as a capo yet the issue is barely covered (and if so in the front, "first as an associate, then a made guy and then later on a capo." Inside the actual story he details no promotions, doesn't mention any administrative meetings, his main guy is Fred Aldrich and the stuff he is involved in could have just as easily come from someone at the associate level. But while I just described everything BUT a quintessential capo I'm just an asshole who read a book so who am I to say? However, others have raised this same question, (Pogo) citing Stanfa's making of Veasey as evidence that ceremonies occurred.
I used to be friends with Kenji Gallo, we never stopped being friends we just haven't seen or spoken to each other in years, who claimed neither Previte nor Veasey were members. He claims to have met Philadelphia members through the Colombos, he never elaborated more nor did I ask for specifics. Take that however you want.
Also, with Joseph Pungitore's alliance during the war, I've seen no evidence whether he was for or against. Same goes for Ligambi and a number of individuals including John Chang. The only confirmed is the father Chicky Chang supporting the Merlino Family and Natale, who wasn't even a member.
I believe Previte had a crew he just protected them in his book and never ratted on them , I think Aldrich a informant as well? Weather stanfa actualy made him or not really doesn't matter as he was treated as a made guy , and more then likely a capo by the bosses , hell they let bobby luisis be a capo ,
any one in his crew couldn't be a bigger low life then angelo lutz ?Chucky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:42 pmNo one worth a shit was reporting to Previte, he had no one to protect, his "crew" were a few lowlifes in Hammonton. Natale and Merlino viewed him as a walking ATM. Lutz said in an interview a few years back that Merlino and others suspected he was a rat since they found it suspicious he didn't get pinched when Stanfa and everyone associated with Stanfa got locked up.Stroccos wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:47 pmI take that with A grain of salt , of the course the two rats weren't made its like sonny Barger claiming that undercover fed in Arizona never became a hells angels.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:15 pm THANKS GUYS. I always appreciate all the feedback, if we still had the "like" button that would reflect it.
1 General - There's a photo of Nicky Whip and Thomas Morrone out there that Ivan is trying to help me acquire, if he gets it I'll be updating this chart.
2 Stroccamin - Previte's membership is still debated. He claims Stanfa just one day (during the war) told him he's a made guy and that there'd be a ceremony later which due to the indictments never occurred. If you haven't read The Last Gangster I can post the reference for you. But what to make of it? Anastasia's bookcover refers to Previte as a capo yet the issue is barely covered (and if so in the front, "first as an associate, then a made guy and then later on a capo." Inside the actual story he details no promotions, doesn't mention any administrative meetings, his main guy is Fred Aldrich and the stuff he is involved in could have just as easily come from someone at the associate level. But while I just described everything BUT a quintessential capo I'm just an asshole who read a book so who am I to say? However, others have raised this same question, (Pogo) citing Stanfa's making of Veasey as evidence that ceremonies occurred.
I used to be friends with Kenji Gallo, we never stopped being friends we just haven't seen or spoken to each other in years, who claimed neither Previte nor Veasey were members. He claims to have met Philadelphia members through the Colombos, he never elaborated more nor did I ask for specifics. Take that however you want.
Also, with Joseph Pungitore's alliance during the war, I've seen no evidence whether he was for or against. Same goes for Ligambi and a number of individuals including John Chang. The only confirmed is the father Chicky Chang supporting the Merlino Family and Natale, who wasn't even a member.
I believe Previte had a crew he just protected them in his book and never ratted on them , I think Aldrich a informant as well? Weather stanfa actualy made him or not really doesn't matter as he was treated as a made guy , and more then likely a capo by the bosses , hell they let bobby luisis be a capo ,