Stanfa-Merlino War 1994 Philly Chart

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I'm considering doing a different style of chart, one that revolves around family Bloodlines in Phila. going back to the 1900's. Luckily the PA archives are easily accessible. If I were to attempt such an endeavor would anyone be able to help me with family connections? For instance the Scarfos, Grandes, Milanos and Piccolos are all related and within the Sicilians is an intermarried mess. I'll do the legwork research but I could use pointers in where/what to search.

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Nice work, as usual.
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A chart of this was long overdue. Great chart and one of the most interesting for me since I lack knowledge on this particular event.



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Previte was considered made by merlino and Natalie , does anyone think they did verify this ? or simply took his word ? Or didn’t care because he was A big earner
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THANKS GUYS. I always appreciate all the feedback, if we still had the "like" button that would reflect it.

1 General - There's a photo of Nicky Whip and Thomas Morrone out there that Ivan is trying to help me acquire, if he gets it I'll be updating this chart.

2 Stroccamin - Previte's membership is still debated. He claims Stanfa just one day (during the war) told him he's a made guy and that there'd be a ceremony later which due to the indictments never occurred. If you haven't read The Last Gangster I can post the reference for you. But what to make of it? Anastasia's bookcover refers to Previte as a capo yet the issue is barely covered (and if so in the front, "first as an associate, then a made guy and then later on a capo." Inside the actual story he details no promotions, doesn't mention any administrative meetings, his main guy is Fred Aldrich and the stuff he is involved in could have just as easily come from someone at the associate level. But while I just described everything BUT a quintessential capo I'm just an asshole who read a book so who am I to say? However, others have raised this same question, (Pogo) citing Stanfa's making of Veasey as evidence that ceremonies occurred.

I used to be friends with Kenji Gallo, we never stopped being friends we just haven't seen or spoken to each other in years, who claimed neither Previte nor Veasey were members. He claims to have met Philadelphia members through the Colombos, he never elaborated more nor did I ask for specifics. Take that however you want.

Also, with Joseph Pungitore's alliance during the war, I've seen no evidence whether he was for or against. Same goes for Ligambi and a number of individuals including John Chang. The only confirmed is the father Chicky Chang supporting the Merlino Family and Natale, who wasn't even a member.
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Great chart pal! One of my favorites
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Cheech wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:39 pm Great chart pal! One of my favorites
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John Ciacaglini or Mike Virgilio on the chart?

Joe Pung reportedly requested permission from Merlino/Ligambi to kill Joe Grande for supporting Scarfo(!) instead of the Merlino faction in prison. They supposedly came to blows over it. Joe Scoops spoke up on Grande behalf and he was sent to Jersey under Sccops. Infer from that maneuver which side Pung was on.
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Chris Christie wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:52 pm
Cheech wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:39 pm Great chart pal! One of my favorites
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Chris Christie wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:15 pm THANKS GUYS. I always appreciate all the feedback, if we still had the "like" button that would reflect it.

1 General - There's a photo of Nicky Whip and Thomas Morrone out there that Ivan is trying to help me acquire, if he gets it I'll be updating this chart.

2 Stroccamin - Previte's membership is still debated. He claims Stanfa just one day (during the war) told him he's a made guy and that there'd be a ceremony later which due to the indictments never occurred. If you haven't read The Last Gangster I can post the reference for you. But what to make of it? Anastasia's bookcover refers to Previte as a capo yet the issue is barely covered (and if so in the front, "first as an associate, then a made guy and then later on a capo." Inside the actual story he details no promotions, doesn't mention any administrative meetings, his main guy is Fred Aldrich and the stuff he is involved in could have just as easily come from someone at the associate level. But while I just described everything BUT a quintessential capo I'm just an asshole who read a book so who am I to say? However, others have raised this same question, (Pogo) citing Stanfa's making of Veasey as evidence that ceremonies occurred.

I used to be friends with Kenji Gallo, we never stopped being friends we just haven't seen or spoken to each other in years, who claimed neither Previte nor Veasey were members. He claims to have met Philadelphia members through the Colombos, he never elaborated more nor did I ask for specifics. Take that however you want.

Also, with Joseph Pungitore's alliance during the war, I've seen no evidence whether he was for or against. Same goes for Ligambi and a number of individuals including John Chang. The only confirmed is the father Chicky Chang supporting the Merlino Family and Natale, who wasn't even a member.
I take that with A grain of salt , of the course the two rats weren't made its like sonny Barger claiming that undercover fed in Arizona never became a hells angels.

I believe Previte had a crew he just protected them in his book and never ratted on them , I think Aldrich a informant as well? Weather stanfa actualy made him or not really doesn't matter as he was treated as a made guy , and more then likely a capo by the bosses , hell they let bobby luisis be a capo ,
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dack2001 wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:37 pm John Ciacaglini or Mike Virgilio on the chart?

Joe Pung reportedly requested permission from Merlino/Ligambi to kill Joe Grande for supporting Scarfo(!) instead of the Merlino faction in prison. They supposedly came to blows over it. Joe Scoops spoke up on Grande behalf and he was sent to Jersey under Sccops. Infer from that maneuver which side Pung was on.
Great chart btw I was just trying to get some dialage going ,

Yeah but that fight could have nothing to do with the stanfa war
That beef may also stem from Scarfo jr trying to poach guys from the phili family
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Stroccos wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:47 pm
Chris Christie wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:15 pm THANKS GUYS. I always appreciate all the feedback, if we still had the "like" button that would reflect it.

1 General - There's a photo of Nicky Whip and Thomas Morrone out there that Ivan is trying to help me acquire, if he gets it I'll be updating this chart.

2 Stroccamin - Previte's membership is still debated. He claims Stanfa just one day (during the war) told him he's a made guy and that there'd be a ceremony later which due to the indictments never occurred. If you haven't read The Last Gangster I can post the reference for you. But what to make of it? Anastasia's bookcover refers to Previte as a capo yet the issue is barely covered (and if so in the front, "first as an associate, then a made guy and then later on a capo." Inside the actual story he details no promotions, doesn't mention any administrative meetings, his main guy is Fred Aldrich and the stuff he is involved in could have just as easily come from someone at the associate level. But while I just described everything BUT a quintessential capo I'm just an asshole who read a book so who am I to say? However, others have raised this same question, (Pogo) citing Stanfa's making of Veasey as evidence that ceremonies occurred.

I used to be friends with Kenji Gallo, we never stopped being friends we just haven't seen or spoken to each other in years, who claimed neither Previte nor Veasey were members. He claims to have met Philadelphia members through the Colombos, he never elaborated more nor did I ask for specifics. Take that however you want.

Also, with Joseph Pungitore's alliance during the war, I've seen no evidence whether he was for or against. Same goes for Ligambi and a number of individuals including John Chang. The only confirmed is the father Chicky Chang supporting the Merlino Family and Natale, who wasn't even a member.
I take that with A grain of salt , of the course the two rats weren't made its like sonny Barger claiming that undercover fed in Arizona never became a hells angels.

I believe Previte had a crew he just protected them in his book and never ratted on them , I think Aldrich a informant as well? Weather stanfa actualy made him or not really doesn't matter as he was treated as a made guy , and more then likely a capo by the bosses , hell they let bobby luisis be a capo ,
No one worth a shit was reporting to Previte, he had no one to protect, his "crew" were a few lowlifes in Hammonton. Natale and Merlino viewed him as a walking ATM. Lutz said in an interview a few years back that Merlino and others suspected he was a rat since they found it suspicious he didn't get pinched when Stanfa and everyone associated with Stanfa got locked up.
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Chucky wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:42 pm
Stroccos wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:47 pm
Chris Christie wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:15 pm THANKS GUYS. I always appreciate all the feedback, if we still had the "like" button that would reflect it.

1 General - There's a photo of Nicky Whip and Thomas Morrone out there that Ivan is trying to help me acquire, if he gets it I'll be updating this chart.

2 Stroccamin - Previte's membership is still debated. He claims Stanfa just one day (during the war) told him he's a made guy and that there'd be a ceremony later which due to the indictments never occurred. If you haven't read The Last Gangster I can post the reference for you. But what to make of it? Anastasia's bookcover refers to Previte as a capo yet the issue is barely covered (and if so in the front, "first as an associate, then a made guy and then later on a capo." Inside the actual story he details no promotions, doesn't mention any administrative meetings, his main guy is Fred Aldrich and the stuff he is involved in could have just as easily come from someone at the associate level. But while I just described everything BUT a quintessential capo I'm just an asshole who read a book so who am I to say? However, others have raised this same question, (Pogo) citing Stanfa's making of Veasey as evidence that ceremonies occurred.

I used to be friends with Kenji Gallo, we never stopped being friends we just haven't seen or spoken to each other in years, who claimed neither Previte nor Veasey were members. He claims to have met Philadelphia members through the Colombos, he never elaborated more nor did I ask for specifics. Take that however you want.

Also, with Joseph Pungitore's alliance during the war, I've seen no evidence whether he was for or against. Same goes for Ligambi and a number of individuals including John Chang. The only confirmed is the father Chicky Chang supporting the Merlino Family and Natale, who wasn't even a member.
I take that with A grain of salt , of the course the two rats weren't made its like sonny Barger claiming that undercover fed in Arizona never became a hells angels.

I believe Previte had a crew he just protected them in his book and never ratted on them , I think Aldrich a informant as well? Weather stanfa actualy made him or not really doesn't matter as he was treated as a made guy , and more then likely a capo by the bosses , hell they let bobby luisis be a capo ,
No one worth a shit was reporting to Previte, he had no one to protect, his "crew" were a few lowlifes in Hammonton. Natale and Merlino viewed him as a walking ATM. Lutz said in an interview a few years back that Merlino and others suspected he was a rat since they found it suspicious he didn't get pinched when Stanfa and everyone associated with Stanfa got locked up.
any one in his crew couldn't be a bigger low life then angelo lutz ?
Previte outsmarted the Phili guys and had the balls to live out in the open after, they thought he was a sucker , Merlnio betting into prevites book Lmao , well they should of whacked him or just left him alone if they thought he was rat but they were to stupid ,.
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Chucky wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:42 pm Lutz said in an interview a few years back that Merlino and others suspected he was a rat since they found it suspicious he didn't get pinched when Stanfa and everyone associated with Stanfa got locked up.

I remember that but it sounds like BS. If they really suspected he was a rat they wouldn't have delt with him. Merlino was all over Prevites tapes talking about crime. Most of the convictions in the 2001 trial were from his tapes.


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