Detroit Mob war in the 90s

[7digits]

Any thoughts on the latest with Nove Tocco Patreon?

He was saying they expect that in the early 90s thing would get violent.

They were walked into meetings multiple times that they felt(him and Paulie Corrado) felt Jack and Twan Tocco were making a move to kill them.

The last thing Tony Zerelli wanted was his relatives shooting out in the streets but him and Paulie, were planning on making a move on Jack and Twanna Tocco before they hit them.

This was occurring during the early and mid 90s.

[Adam]

It was an interesting discussion. I don't think he was saying they expected things to get violent, but that they could. And that he and Paul Corrado started taking more precautions and he thought a couple times he was being set up for something. But he and Paul Corrado were caught on tape talking about if things got to shooting who could they count on to back them. And they started listing names of people who would probably back them if they go to the "mattress"(and Paul Corrado did actually use that term.) But it was Nove, Paul Corrado, Paul Corrado's brother Pete, his cousin Pete Corrado, Nove's brother Joe, Jack Gianosa and an unspecified "Johnny" who I think is Johnny Sciarotta. But they also talk about how it'll never get to that point because Tony Zerilli and Tony Corrado would work it out so all their relatives aren't shooting at each other in the street.

But they're great tapes. Mentioning that Gianosa was out of prison for sure cause he was hanging out with Pete Tocco and Anthony Lapiana. And Paul and Nove talking about the difference between Jack Tocco and his brother Anthony as compared to guys like Jimmy Quasarano, Vincent Meli, Pete Vitale, Michael Polizzi and Tony and Vito Giacalone. It's an interesting read because it's a relatively modern recording of Detroit mobsters talking about Detroit mobsters and they all know each other.

[7digits]

It was an interesting discussion. I don't think he was saying they expected things to get violent, but that they could. And that he and Paul Corrado started taking more precautions and he thought a couple times he was being set up for something. But he and Paul Corrado were caught on tape talking about if things got to shooting who could they count on to back them. And they started listing names of people who would probably back them if they go to the "mattress"(and Paul Corrado did actually use that term.) But it was Nove, Paul Corrado, Paul Corrado's brother Pete, his cousin Pete Corrado, Nove's brother Joe, Jack Gianosa and an unspecified "Johnny" who I think is Johnny Sciarotta. But they also talk about how it'll never get to that point because Tony Zerilli and Tony Corrado would work it out so all their relatives aren't shooting at each other in the street.

But they're great tapes. Mentioning that Gianosa was out of prison for sure cause he was hanging out with Pete Tocco and Anthony Lapiana. And Paul and Nove talking about the difference between Jack Tocco and his brother Anthony as compared to guys like Jimmy Quasarano, Vincent Meli, Pete Vitale, Michael Polizzi and Tony and Vito Giacalone. It's an interesting read because it's a relatively modern recording of Detroit mobsters talking about Detroit mobsters and they all know each other.

Nove in the latest episodes said and I quote “We did believe that things were going to serious” “Paul and I agreed that we wouldn’t go to any meetings without the other and we were starting to be extremely cautious” “ both times they attempted to walk us in and we took steps to protect ourselves”
“ things were going to get violent if we didn’t all go to prison”
“My Uncle didn’t wanna see things get bloody cause that would have split things wide open”

[7digits]

Move also said that Tony Jack would have never been able to win a war against Jack Tocco and he would never made a move against him. Also Tony Jack was wealthy and it wouldn’t make sense for him to make a move like that and fuck everything up

[Adam]

It was an interesting discussion. I don't think he was saying they expected things to get violent, but that they could. And that he and Paul Corrado started taking more precautions and he thought a couple times he was being set up for something. But he and Paul Corrado were caught on tape talking about if things got to shooting who could they count on to back them. And they started listing names of people who would probably back them if they go to the "mattress"(and Paul Corrado did actually use that term.) But it was Nove, Paul Corrado, Paul Corrado's brother Pete, his cousin Pete Corrado, Nove's brother Joe, Jack Gianosa and an unspecified "Johnny" who I think is Johnny Sciarotta. But they also talk about how it'll never get to that point because Tony Zerilli and Tony Corrado would work it out so all their relatives aren't shooting at each other in the street.

But they're great tapes. Mentioning that Gianosa was out of prison for sure cause he was hanging out with Pete Tocco and Anthony Lapiana. And Paul and Nove talking about the difference between Jack Tocco and his brother Anthony as compared to guys like Jimmy Quasarano, Vincent Meli, Pete Vitale, Michael Polizzi and Tony and Vito Giacalone. It's an interesting read because it's a relatively modern recording of Detroit mobsters talking about Detroit mobsters and they all know each other.

Nove in the latest episodes said and I quote “We did believe that things were going to serious” “Paul and I agreed that we wouldn’t go to any meetings without the other and we were starting to be extremely cautious” “ both times they attempted to walk us in and we took steps to protect ourselves”
“ things were going to get violent if we didn’t all go to prison”
“My Uncle didn’t wanna see things get bloody cause that would have split things wide open”

I'm not going to get into a semantic debate. It was a possibility, it didn't happen. Nove has consistently talked about how the Detroit mob was setup to not have violence happen. He did mention how everyone went away....but their concerns were happening years earlier. No one got indicted until 1996. I really don't want to get into a debate about this, thought I was being helpful by providing some additional information, but things 40 years later in a podcast might not be exactly what they were thinking at the time. Just bear that in mind.

[Tocco686]

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

[7digits]

It was an interesting discussion. I don't think he was saying they expected things to get violent, but that they could. And that he and Paul Corrado started taking more precautions and he thought a couple times he was being set up for something. But he and Paul Corrado were caught on tape talking about if things got to shooting who could they count on to back them. And they started listing names of people who would probably back them if they go to the "mattress"(and Paul Corrado did actually use that term.) But it was Nove, Paul Corrado, Paul Corrado's brother Pete, his cousin Pete Corrado, Nove's brother Joe, Jack Gianosa and an unspecified "Johnny" who I think is Johnny Sciarotta. But they also talk about how it'll never get to that point because Tony Zerilli and Tony Corrado would work it out so all their relatives aren't shooting at each other in the street.

But they're great tapes. Mentioning that Gianosa was out of prison for sure cause he was hanging out with Pete Tocco and Anthony Lapiana. And Paul and Nove talking about the difference between Jack Tocco and his brother Anthony as compared to guys like Jimmy Quasarano, Vincent Meli, Pete Vitale, Michael Polizzi and Tony and Vito Giacalone. It's an interesting read because it's a relatively modern recording of Detroit mobsters talking about Detroit mobsters and they all know each other.

Nove in the latest episodes said and I quote “We did believe that things were going to serious” “Paul and I agreed that we wouldn’t go to any meetings without the other and we were starting to be extremely cautious” “ both times they attempted to walk us in and we took steps to protect ourselves”
“ things were going to get violent if we didn’t all go to prison”
“My Uncle didn’t wanna see things get bloody cause that would have split things wide open”

I'm not going to get into a semantic debate. It was a possibility, it didn't happen. Nove has consistently talked about how the Detroit mob was setup to not have violence happen. He did mention how everyone went away....but their concerns were happening years earlier. No one got indicted until 1996. I really don't want to get into a debate about this, thought I was being helpful by providing some additional information, but things 40 years later in a podcast might not be exactly what they were thinking at the time. Just bear that in mind.

Me either just paying the things that they said no more and no less and just wanted to have a normal conversation regarding it and everyone’s opinions and open up some back and forth dialogue

[7digits]

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

He never testified against his family including his uncle. He want related to the Jack or Tony Tocco. To compare him to Lindbloom is utterly ridiculous and laughable. Noves Uncle was the Underboss for 20 years and his Grandfather was the Boss for 40 years. He’s mob royalty, there’s no comparison between him and “Gunner”

[7digits]

Not to mention “Gunner” isn’t connected to the Detroit Outfit in any FBI Files meanwhile Noves not only mention in thousands of pages of FBI files as being connected to the Detroit Outfit but he’s carried as a made member of the family. Which Nove could have easily lied about and said “yes I was made in a ceremony by Jack Tocco” and no one would have known the difference instead he’s so honest that he said he “wasn’t made in any ceremony by Jack Tocco” and his only “loyalty was to my Uncle, Anthony Zerelli”

[7digits]

It was an interesting discussion. I don't think he was saying they expected things to get violent, but that they could. And that he and Paul Corrado started taking more precautions and he thought a couple times he was being set up for something. But he and Paul Corrado were caught on tape talking about if things got to shooting who could they count on to back them. And they started listing names of people who would probably back them if they go to the "mattress"(and Paul Corrado did actually use that term.) But it was Nove, Paul Corrado, Paul Corrado's brother Pete, his cousin Pete Corrado, Nove's brother Joe, Jack Gianosa and an unspecified "Johnny" who I think is Johnny Sciarotta. But they also talk about how it'll never get to that point because Tony Zerilli and Tony Corrado would work it out so all their relatives aren't shooting at each other in the street.

But they're great tapes. Mentioning that Gianosa was out of prison for sure cause he was hanging out with Pete Tocco and Anthony Lapiana. And Paul and Nove talking about the difference between Jack Tocco and his brother Anthony as compared to guys like Jimmy Quasarano, Vincent Meli, Pete Vitale, Michael Polizzi and Tony and Vito Giacalone. It's an interesting read because it's a relatively modern recording of Detroit mobsters talking about Detroit mobsters and they all know each other.

Nove in the latest episodes said and I quote “We did believe that things were going to serious” “Paul and I agreed that we wouldn’t go to any meetings without the other and we were starting to be extremely cautious” “ both times they attempted to walk us in and we took steps to protect ourselves”
“ things were going to get violent if we didn’t all go to prison”
“My Uncle didn’t wanna see things get bloody cause that would have split things wide open”

I'm not going to get into a semantic debate. It was a possibility, it didn't happen. Nove has consistently talked about how the Detroit mob was setup to not have violence happen. He did mention how everyone went away....but their concerns were happening years earlier. No one got indicted until 1996. I really don't want to get into a debate about this, thought I was being helpful by providing some additional information, but things 40 years later in a podcast might not be exactly what they were thinking at the time. Just bear that in mind.

And that’s definitely possible that his perception on things changed slightly from when he was captured on FBI recordings though one thing I would say is they didn’t know they were being recorded at the time so it’s possible he didn’t explain his full position for people that weren’t listening in the future also depending on the time frame of the tapes it’s possible these meetings where he thought they might be killed occurred after the conversations that were captured between him and Paulie in the car

[Tocco686]

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

He never testified against his family including his uncle. He want related to the Jack or Tony Tocco. To compare him to Lindbloom is utterly ridiculous and laughable. Noves Uncle was the Underboss for 20 years and his Grandfather was the Boss for 40 years. He’s mob royalty, there’s no comparison between him and “Gunner”

-I never said he testified. I said he turned on his own LCN family. -i -I -I never said he was related to Jack or Tawncy.
-I compare him to Lindbloom only in the fact I think he is a liar and storyteller.
-I don’t believe he turned down a making ceremony in Detroit like someone posted elsewhere. Jack Tocco always struck me as the type of guy you turn something down like that, you would be banished from Detroit LCN affairs no matter who you’re related to. His Uncle was a liar too. Trying to tell people where Hoffa was buried. He knew nothing. Just trying to sell a book. Sounds like that whole side of the family is a bunch of bullshit/hustlers trying to scam a buck wherever they can.

[Stroccos]

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

He never testified against his family including his uncle. He want related to the Jack or Tony Tocco. To compare him to Lindbloom is utterly ridiculous and laughable. Noves Uncle was the Underboss for 20 years and his Grandfather was the Boss for 40 years. He’s mob royalty, there’s no comparison between him and “Gunner”

he was willing to testify against his own brother, wasn't he jacks cousin ?

[Adam]

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

He never testified against his family including his uncle. He want related to the Jack or Tony Tocco. To compare him to Lindbloom is utterly ridiculous and laughable. Noves Uncle was the Underboss for 20 years and his Grandfather was the Boss for 40 years. He’s mob royalty, there’s no comparison between him and “Gunner”

he was willing to testify against his own brother, wasn't he jacks cousin ?

Yeah Nove never testified against his brother. Not sure where that's coming from. And I believe as part of his agreement he got the charges against his father dropped as well. He does claim that his father was really not involved in the case at all and just happened to be around a few times and got picked up on tape.

[Stroccos]

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

He never testified against his family including his uncle. He want related to the Jack or Tony Tocco. To compare him to Lindbloom is utterly ridiculous and laughable. Noves Uncle was the Underboss for 20 years and his Grandfather was the Boss for 40 years. He’s mob royalty, there’s no comparison between him and “Gunner”

he was willing to testify against his own brother, wasn't he jacks cousin ?

Yeah Nove never testified against his brother. Not sure where that's coming from. And I believe as part of his agreement he got the charges against his father dropped as well. He does claim that his father was really not involved in the case at all and just happened to be around a few times and got picked up on tape.

he was willing to testify against his own brother , never said he did , why don't you ask him,