Frank Locascio Evidentiary Hearing.

[Pogo The Clown]

OK give me your speculation then. Do you think LoCascio and Crea have ever taken part in a murder conspiracy that resulted in someone's death?


Pogo

[mafiastudent]

I don't have any proof so I can't speculate.

[Pogo The Clown]

Ok give me your opinion then. Do you think LoCascio and Crea have ever taken part in a murder conspiracy that resulted in someone's death?


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

Ok give me your opinion then. Do you think LoCascio and Crea have ever taken part in a murder conspiracy that resulted in someone's death?

If we dont put people away based on evidence, how should we put people away Pogo?

[Angelo Santino]

If I fuck 100 underage children in my area but can't be convicted for this reason or that reason but then I get arrested for illegal housing of a minor whom "I was caring only caring for, what's the harm, eh?" are you going to advocate for me? Am I an innocent guy who simply just wanted to help a young child out? Should we overlook my previous 100 other allegations and attribute it to some "way of life" or "Anti-Italian American discrimination" of me who just likes to be around kids? Would you allow me around your kid? Probably not.

There's people that don't belong on the sexual registry and if you wanted to make that case, would I be patient fuckin zero for law enforcement discrimination? Probably not.

The fuck are you talking about. Way to appeal to baseline emotion and ignore my points/argument or logic.
I’m simply arguing for basic due process and the protection of the law as a right vs a subjective, “feelings!” based argument the you’re pushing.
If a bad person gets away with a bad thing, it’s bad, no argument, OBVIOUSLY, but to therefor say fuck the system let’s just put who we want away because of ‘feelings!’ is a childish argument that women and children use.
Nobodies saying the system is perfect or bad guys who should be in jail aren’t, but your alternative which is to throw the whole thing away and just do what you want based on how you feel, is awesome

Yeah, that came out wrong and I regret posting that. I'll issue a retract and an apology. Sorry.

[SonnyBlackstein]

If I fuck 100 underage children in my area but can't be convicted for this reason or that reason but then I get arrested for illegal housing of a minor whom "I was caring only caring for, what's the harm, eh?" are you going to advocate for me? Am I an innocent guy who simply just wanted to help a young child out? Should we overlook my previous 100 other allegations and attribute it to some "way of life" or "Anti-Italian American discrimination" of me who just likes to be around kids? Would you allow me around your kid? Probably not.

There's people that don't belong on the sexual registry and if you wanted to make that case, would I be patient fuckin zero for law enforcement discrimination? Probably not.

The fuck are you talking about. Way to appeal to baseline emotion and ignore my points/argument or logic.
I’m simply arguing for basic due process and the protection of the law as a right vs a subjective, “feelings!” based argument the you’re pushing.
If a bad person gets away with a bad thing, it’s bad, no argument, OBVIOUSLY, but to therefor say fuck the system let’s just put who we want away because of ‘feelings!’ is a childish argument that women and children use.
Nobodies saying the system is perfect or bad guys who should be in jail aren’t, but your alternative which is to throw the whole thing away and just do what you want based on how you feel, is awesome

Yeah, that came out wrong and I regret posting that. I'll issue a retract and an apology. Sorry.

Nothing to apologise about CC. Youre good as gold with me mate.
Always enjoy your two cents.

[mafiastudent]

Ok give me your opinion then. Do you think LoCascio and Crea have ever taken part in a murder conspiracy that resulted in someone's death?


Pogo

I don't have an opinion because I only base my opinions on facts.

[Pogo The Clown]

Ok give me your opinion then. Do you think LoCascio and Crea have ever taken part in a murder conspiracy that resulted in someone's death?

If we dont put people away based on evidence, how should we put people away Pogo?

Well LoCascio and Crea have already been put away based on evidence so that point is moot.


MS and Bert are saying that LoCascio and Crea didn't commit the murders that put them there and I'm asking them if they think they have ever taken part in any murder conspiracy? So far MS is dodging the question. I know why she is doing it though.


Pogo

[Angelo Santino]

Ok give me your opinion then. Do you think LoCascio and Crea have ever taken part in a murder conspiracy that resulted in someone's death?

If we dont put people away based on evidence, how should we put people away Pogo?

Isn't the issue more about the punishment? People with more colorful backgrounds tend to receive longer sentences. Maybe that's "not fair" but let's consider who were trying to even the odds for?

Back in the 1900's, counterfeiting carried a 2-5 year sentence. In 1910 Morello and Lupo got 30 year sentences they they later appealed. Those sentence lengths were unheard of. The underworld of NY definitely felt that and were shocked over the sentences. Counterfeiting still went on and people afterward didn't receive those same sentencing guidelines. What could it have been about Morello and Lupo that caused them to get such a harsh sentence? Barrel Murder, known criminality, these all invariably played a role in their sentencing. I guess from a legal perspective it would be unfair to let these prior non-convictions factor in. It's a good argument. I guess my first reaction though is to think "gee, people shouldn't counterfeit" not "My how the legal system fucked Don Piddu over." But I see "the other side's" argument. Fair enough?

[Pogo The Clown]

Ok give me your opinion then. Do you think LoCascio and Crea have ever taken part in a murder conspiracy that resulted in someone's death?


Pogo

I don't have an opinion because I only base my opinions on facts.

You just don't want to answer because either answer will make you look foolish. If you answer yes you look silly for trying to portray them as poor persecuted victims that should out on the streets and if you answer no you look like a moron since we all know that they have.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

Well LoCascio and Crea have already been put away based on evidence so that point is moot.

I think we can both agree that they are both not there because of evidence indicating beyond a reasonable doubt;
Frankie Loc literally didnt say a thing and Gravano, the first hand eyewitness has stated that Loc actually later attempted to save DiBono
Crea/Madonna: convicted upon the hearsay of the two most unreliable witnessess in the history of law with zero evidence tying them to the murder. Nadda.
Your position is that it doesnt matter because they deserve to be there anyway, my position is you cant put people in jail just because you want too.

So again, if we dont use evidence to convict people, how should we put people away?

[bert]

Ok give me your opinion then. Do you think LoCascio and Crea have ever taken part in a murder conspiracy that resulted in someone's death?


Pogo

I don't have an opinion because I only base my opinions on facts.

You just don't want to answer because either answer will make you look foolish. If you answer yes you look silly for trying to portray them as poor persecuted victims that should out on the streets and if you answer no you look like a moron since we all know that they have.


Pogo

So pogo, you just admitted to asking a loaded question, which is the type of question no one can answer on any topic without coming out looking bad. MS was smart enough not to fall for it. You were not smart to out yourself on it

[SonnyBlackstein]

Isn't the issue more about the punishment? People with more colorful backgrounds tend to receive longer sentences. Maybe that's "not fair" but let's consider who were trying to even the odds for?

Back in the 1900's, counterfeiting carried a 2-5 year sentence. In 1910 Morello and Lupo got 30 year sentences they they later appealed. Those sentence lengths were unheard of. The underworld of NY definitely felt that and were shocked over the sentences. Counterfeiting still went on and people afterward didn't receive those same sentencing guidelines. What could it have been about Morello and Lupo that caused them to get such a harsh sentence? Barrel Murder, known criminality, these all invariably played a role in their sentencing. I guess from a legal perspective it would be unfair to let these prior non-convictions factor in. It's a good argument. I guess my first reaction though is to think "gee, people shouldn't counterfeit" not "My how the legal system fucked Don Piddu over." But I see "the other side's" argument. Fair enough?

Punishment's a hell of a complicated topic, because you are literally in the absolute of the subjective.
Both sides have fair points:
A person's history of crime is irrelevant as they have paid their debt to society through previous punishment.
or
A person's history of crime is absolutely relevant as it shows a likelihood of re-offence and the prospective threat to society and/or clearly has not learnt their respective lesson.

Both are extremely valid standpoints and for myself theoretically I'd be more partial to camp A, practically probably camp B.

Sonny likes to have his cake and eats it too

[Pogo The Clown]

Well LoCascio and Crea have already been put away based on evidence so that point is moot.

I think we can both agree that they are both not there because of evidence indicating beyond a reasonable doubt;
Frankie Loc literally didnt say a thing and Gravano, the first hand eyewitness has stated that Loc actually later attempted to save DiBono
Crea/Madonna: convicted upon the hearsay of the two most unreliable witnessess in the history of law with zero evidence tying them to the murder. Nadda.
Your position is that it doesnt matter because they deserve to be there anyway, my position is you cant put people in jail just because you want too.

So again, if we dont use evidence to convict people, how should we put people away?

That is your interpretation and opinion. I'm satisfied with the evidence I saw that they were proven guilty as were the 24 jurors who heard both cases (and no doubt were exposed to a lot more evidence than we have).

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Ok give me your opinion then. Do you think LoCascio and Crea have ever taken part in a murder conspiracy that resulted in someone's death?


Pogo

I don't have an opinion because I only base my opinions on facts.
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You just don't want to answer because either answer will make you look foolish. If you answer yes you look silly for trying to portray them as poor persecuted victims that should out on the streets and if you answer no you look like a moron since we all know that they have.


Pogo
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So pogo, you just admitted to asking a loaded question, which is the type of question no one can answer on any topic without coming out looking bad. MS was smart enough not to fall for it. You were not smart to out yourself on it
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So you are going to dodge the question too. Shocker. No surprise that you don't have the guts to stand up and say what you believe.


Pogo

[mafiastudent]

Well LoCascio and Crea have already been put away based on evidence so that point is moot.

I think we can both agree that they are both not there because of evidence indicating beyond a reasonable doubt;
Frankie Loc literally didnt say a thing and Gravano, the first hand eyewitness has stated that Loc actually later attempted to save DiBono
Crea/Madonna: convicted upon the hearsay of the two most unreliable witnessess in the history of law with zero evidence tying them to the murder. Nadda.
Your position is that it doesnt matter because they deserve to be there anyway, my position is you cant put people in jail just because you want too.

So again, if we dont use evidence to convict people, how should we put people away?

That is your interpretation and opinion. I'm satisfied with the evidence I saw that they were proven guilty as were the 24 jurors who heard both cases (and no doubt were exposed to a lot more evidence than we have).

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Ok give me your opinion then. Do you think LoCascio and Crea have ever taken part in a murder conspiracy that resulted in someone's death?


Pogo

I don't have an opinion because I only base my opinions on facts.

You just don't want to answer because either answer will make you look foolish. If you answer yes you look silly for trying to portray them as poor persecuted victims that should out on the streets and if you answer no you look like a moron since we all know that they have.


Pogo
[/quote]


So pogo, you just admitted to asking a loaded question, which is the type of question no one can answer on any topic without coming out looking bad. MS was smart enough not to fall for it. You were not smart to out yourself on it
[/quote]


So you are going to dodge the question too. Shocker. No surprise that you don't have the guts to stand up and say what you believe.


Pogo
[/quote]

So you read my story? Or you pulled all the documents yourself including the court testimony? You must be a speed reader because it took me over two months to get through everything.