What’s left of the mob nationally?

[Moscone65]

The Germanic tribes are yet again attacking the northern border of our powerful Roman Empire, in which Buffalo is still very much alive and thriving with Todaro and Violi as co-emperors. What are we to do this time?

We've just withstood the troll attacks in the East after the Frank Cali murder. It is time for peace. I as senator suggest we throw a bone to these Barbarians and allow them parts of the perhaps the FBI is right territory. Let them think Buffalo is dead and work their land and then when they least expect it we attack them with our newly formed force of facts about Buffalo's viability that will soon arise.

With our mighty army of leggionaires!

[Confederate]

The only reason Detroit was resuscitated was because Scott wrote so much about them, including the anointing of Jackie The Kid and how the Giacalones finally sat on the throne. But if you want to make money writing about LCN there’s more money and traffic in it if you sensationalize the living shit out of it.

You nailed it my friend.

[Pogo The Clown]

Unrelated but is your picture screw face from marked for death?

Screwface? Me don't know no Screwface.

I’m jimmy fingers, I’m a made man!

God made men.


Pogo

[Moscone65]

I hope they weren’t triplets...

[Pogo The Clown]

Screwface kill me a thousand deaths worse than you. Go find him your fucking self!


Pogo

[Moscone65]

Lmao I loved that scene

[Rat]

Didn't a Detriot associate get arrested this year for drug trafficking?

[NickleCity]

The FBI’s former position was the Buffalo mob is dead. Their current position is “No comment.”

Additionally, I would note that Agent Cohen who was in charge of the FBI’s Buffalo Field Office and made the comment that the Mob in Buffalo was dead in March 2017 was removed and replaced by Agent Gary A. Loeffert shortly after all the new information started to come out from Canada. Could be a coincidence, but the timing is interesting.

I think what you stated is a little misleading. The Buffalo Office never said "No Comment" as if they are working on some big case and can't talk about it. They simply have "Made No Comment". There is a difference. No?
Secondly, the new Agent who replaced Cohen stated their priorities and the Buffalo Mafia was never even mentioned. In contrast, when the new F.B.I. director in Chicago took over, he stated that putting the final nail in the Outfit's coffin was one of his priorities. See the difference?

Sorry to come back to this but I want to address the notion that my statement was misleading. That is certainly not my intent and I am not trying to change you mind.

However, after rereading the December article by Phil Fairbanks I think it backs what I said and stands in contrast to what mentioned when you wrote: “The Buffalo Office never said "No Comment" as if they are working on some big case and can't talk about it.”

On the contrary, the article specifically indicates the FBI and US Attorney cannot talk about the Hamilton case. Fairbanks writes: “When asked for comment this week on the Hamilton case, the FBI and U.S. Attorney's office said they could not comment.”

I know that is a Canadian case, but I cannot believe they are not following up on it—especially given the accusation against Todaro.

[Moscone65]

Didn't a Detriot associate get arrested this year for drug trafficking?

Ya I posted about it a few weeks ago, can’t rememb which thread though

[Wiseguy]

Sorry to come back to this but I want to address the notion that my statement was misleading. That is certainly not my intent and I am not trying to change you mind.

However, after rereading the December article by Phil Fairbanks I think it backs what I said and stands in contrast to what mentioned when you wrote: “The Buffalo Office never said "No Comment" as if they are working on some big case and can't talk about it.”

On the contrary, the article specifically indicates the FBI and US Attorney cannot talk about the Hamilton case. Fairbanks writes: “When asked for comment this week on the Hamilton case, the FBI and U.S. Attorney's office said they could not comment.”

I know that is a Canadian case, but I cannot believe they are not following up on it—especially given the accusation against Todaro.

In all seriousness, Nickle, do you really have any expectation the FBI will ever change it's position on the Buffalo LCN?

Didn't a Detriot associate get arrested this year for drug trafficking?

Ya I posted about it a few weeks ago, can’t rememb which thread though

John Sciarotta, I believe.

[NickleCity]

Sorry to come back to this but I want to address the notion that my statement was misleading. That is certainly not my intent and I am not trying to change you mind.

However, after rereading the December article by Phil Fairbanks I think it backs what I said and stands in contrast to what mentioned when you wrote: “The Buffalo Office never said "No Comment" as if they are working on some big case and can't talk about it.”

On the contrary, the article specifically indicates the FBI and US Attorney cannot talk about the Hamilton case. Fairbanks writes: “When asked for comment this week on the Hamilton case, the FBI and U.S. Attorney's office said they could not comment.”

I know that is a Canadian case, but I cannot believe they are not following up on it—especially given the accusation against Todaro.

In all seriousness, Nickle, do you really have any expectation the FBI will ever change it's position on the Buffalo LCN?

Yes, I think they already have. Publicly, they have gone from saying just a few remnants remain to making no comments about the status of the mob in WNY.

Will they categorically tell the public the Buffalo mob continues to be in operation?

I don't see that happening until they have a prosecutable case. Honestly that will be hard to come by, because LCN in Buffalo is heavily entrenched in legitimate businesses and the entire fabric of the community--and has been for a long time. I think Fino was correct in 2012 when he wrote the following in a letter to the Buffalo News:

Many if not most of the leaders on Western New York Mafia family have hunkered down and try to carry on an image and air of respectability. This in no way means that they do not exist and make money from illegal operations. They know that they are being watched and now operate more clandestinely.

I think Todaro is the perfect example. Many years ago he hired a public relations firm to build this "image and air of respectability," as Fino put it. He worked that plan and continues to work it today. As a result he is known as a pizza maker, a man who gives folks a second chance, and a philanthropist who is committed to and has given back to the depressed westside community that made he and his family who they are today. He, also, uses his partnership with the Buffalo Bills (official Pizza) to build this narrative with the help of local news outlets. IMO the Todaro's have always had a well put together plan, and this is one of the reasons the Feds have not been able to successfully prosecute a case against him or his father.

[Pogo The Clown]

Man you are really running with that "no comment" thing aren't you? As has been explained that is the standard FBI response to civilian inquiries. Like I said go call them up and ask them if they think the Genovese family is alive and if Barney Bellomo is the Boss and you'll get a "no comment".


As for Fino he was an associate that flipped back in 1990 and has reversed his position time and again about Buffalo depending on who is asking.


Pogo

[Lupara]

Nickle is being reasonable here while you guys are acting spicy. Why do you care so much that some people would like to believe (with reasonable enough evidence) that there might still be something going on? It's a question left unanswered with sincerity.

[Wiseguy]

Nickle is being reasonable here while you guys are acting spicy. Why do you care so much that some people would like to believe (with reasonable enough evidence) that there might still be something going on? It's a question left unanswered with sincerity.

That's just it. He's not being reasonable. Look how much he reads into a "No comment." Early on I thought Nickle was at least being semi-reasonable. But his post above smacks of the same wishful thinking that we've seen with other posters about other families (especially Detroit). You said it..."would like to believe." If you want to find something, that kills objectivity. Kids would like to believe there's really a Santa Claus up in the North Pole.

And there's "something going on" in lots of places. The assassin van thing in New Orleans was "something going on." Some old associates of the Pittsburgh family being charged with gambling is "something going on."

[SonnyBlackstein]

Yet you and Pogo respond to every. single. post. he. makes.



For the record, not agreeing with you two is not being unreasonable you arrogant twat.