The Mob in 10 Years (Who is Defunct; Who is Extant)

[johnny_scootch]

Now it has "dese dem doze" uneducated pretenders, mostly living within 75 miles of NYC.

This ‘deez dem doze’ is a false narrative and it’s a mistake to believe the current American Cosa Nostra is totally made up of ‘uneducated pretenders’. They have plenty extremely smart savvy businessmen, arch criminals, multimillionaires and the like.

[PTown]

I don’t doubt that there are more softer, college-educated types in now, and that they don’t all talk in Brooklynese.

But a college degree and a lack of a street gang origin don’t make one smart. It really is largely an organization of the “why?”

I posted earlier on this thread that I read a really good book over Christmas called “Mafia Mistaken” by J. De Luca. He said in essence that the best and brightest Italian Americans used to join the mob because they couldn’t join the Boardroom or the Oval Office or the Country Club.

Now, it’s the opposite. So the ones who choose prison and death and informants and loss of freedom and always being paranoid are the ones who aren’t successful enough to make it in the Boardroom.

[Pogo The Clown]

Now it has "dese dem doze" uneducated pretenders

I think there actually might be more high school grads and college degree holders involved now than there ever have been. Was a bunch of middle and high school dropouts in its golden age.

In fairness a middle school or high school education in the 1910s-1970s is a hell of a lot more valuable than all but a few college educations today (never mind what passes for a HS education these days).


Pogo

[CabriniGreen]

As a whole, LCN in America has been so thoroughly infiltrated by Law Enforcement that what we have left is only a memory of what Italian OC used to be. Longtime informants, occasional informants and quite often, jealousy towards one another has taken a very large toll on the organization of organized crime. Let’s remember that American LCN used to have global, geopolitical power and influence. Now these crime families are mostly regional, East coast crime groups that unless you gamble or need a street loan, you probably don’t even know they exist.

I don't know about global geopolitical power....lol

National.......in a limited capacity...maybe. The carribean...Cuba?

During the Accardo and Giancana years, Chicago had some contacts related to gambling, hotels, and other activities with state elements in a number of countries, such as Mexico, DR, Panama, Brazil, Spain, Lebanon, and Iran. These things also get greatly exaggerated though. So far as I am aware it amounted to some partnerships with business interests in these countries and maybe some contact with intelligence services (e.g., Giancana-era links to DR caudillo Rafael Trujillo's lapdog Porfirio Rubirosa, aka "the Dominican James Bond") and politicians related to illegal rackets and legit business activities (e.g., slot machines in Spain, etc). The extent of "power" afforded by such ties, however, can be indexed by the fact that Giancana wound up getting his property expropriated when he was forcibly deported by the Mexican government.

This is exactly the the line of thinking I had. It's similar to the Caruana- Cunteras having a whole like..... conglomerate in Venezuela, then the government.... they just took it from them. Matter of fact... Cuba...ditto.

Or like Costello being so politically connected, yet couldn't keep the Mayor from throwing his slots into the river.

[CabriniGreen]

I don’t doubt that there are more softer, college-educated types in now, and that they don’t all talk in Brooklynese.

But a college degree and a lack of a street gang origin don’t make one smart. It really is largely an organization of the “why?”

I posted earlier on this thread that I read a really good book over Christmas called “Mafia Mistaken” by J. De Luca. He said in essence that the best and brightest Italian Americans used to join the mob because they couldn’t join the Boardroom or the Oval Office or the Country Club.

Now, it’s the opposite. So the ones who choose prison and death and informants and loss of freedom and always being paranoid are the ones who aren’t successful enough to make it in the Boardroom.

This actually is the real explanation for the mobs attrition issues.

[Uforeality]

As a whole, LCN in America has been so thoroughly infiltrated by Law Enforcement that what we have left is only a memory of what Italian OC used to be. Longtime informants, occasional informants and quite often, jealousy towards one another has taken a very large toll on the organization of organized crime. Let’s remember that American LCN used to have global, geopolitical power and influence. Now these crime families are mostly regional, East coast crime groups that unless you gamble or need a street loan, you probably don’t even know they exist.

I don't know about global geopolitical power....lol

National.......in a limited capacity...maybe. The carribean...Cuba?

Italy... European drug trade.

[Newyorkempire]

As a whole, LCN in America has been so thoroughly infiltrated by Law Enforcement that what we have left is only a memory of what Italian OC used to be. Longtime informants, occasional informants and quite often, jealousy towards one another has taken a very large toll on the organization of organized crime. Let’s remember that American LCN used to have global, geopolitical power and influence. Now these crime families are mostly regional, East coast crime groups that unless you gamble or need a street loan, you probably don’t even know they exist.

I don't know about global geopolitical power....lol

National.......in a limited capacity...maybe. The carribean...Cuba?

Italy... European drug trade.

Central America? Iran? England?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Central America? Iran? England?

Good lad. You can name places. Dont stop.

[Newyorkempire]

Central America? Iran? England?

Good lad. You can name places. Dont stop.

Tell your wife I said thanks again lad