What’s left of the mob nationally?

[Pogo The Clown]

You could well be right, but your sanctimonious attitude at even a respectful discussion means if you’re wrong, and there is a chance you are, you’ll be eating those words.

There’s sufficient evidence to suggest Buffalo could be active or at the least make the argument. You don’t have to believe it but stop acting like a condescending asshole when people present legitimate arguments, ok?

I was speaking more towards TommyG and Scaggihuni bringing up the induction and promotion thing again which have been repeatedly addressed. Especially Scaggihuni who has been having these types of discussions for well over 10 years now. Back then he was arguing just as stubbornly that New Orleans, Pittsburgh and other defunct cities still had functional families. Like now he was just as convinced that the FBI was wrong and he was right and common sense and logic be damned. Evidently he hasn't learned a thing.


So yeah it does get frustrating after a while. It also gets frustrating when some of you guys repeatedly disregard official info and just go with what you think or hope to be true, always get proven wrong, and then act just as convinced you are right the next time you guys disregard official info.

I think what you stated is a little misleading. The Buffalo Office never said "No Comment" as if they are working on some big case and can't talk about it. They simply have "Made No Comment". There is a difference. No?

Secondly, the new Agent who replaced Cohen stated their priorities and the Buffalo Mafia was never even mentioned. In contrast, when the new F.B.I. director in Chicago took over, he stated that putting the final nail in the Outfit's coffin was one of his priorities. See the difference?

Yeah talk about really grasping.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

Just try and argue the point, not the man.

It’s likely your correct so let your arguments do the talking.

And no one’s ‘disregarding’ the Feds here. The Feds official stance was before the Violi recordings. Since then no word or no comment so it’s not like the Feds have issued the following ‘Despite the words of Dominic Violi there is no viable operational family structure and activity’ and we’re all like ‘fuck the Feds! Buffalo’s back bitches! Bodies in the streets!’
No. Legitimate information for discussion has arisen and if people present evidentiary arguments, they have every right. If your patience is waning, you’ve made your points and time will tell.
Stop banging your head if that’s how you feel.

[NickleCity]

Just try and argue the point, not the man.

It’s likely your correct so let your arguments do the talking.

And no one’s ‘disregarding’ the Feds here. The Feds official stance was before the Violi recordings. Since then no word or no comment so it’s not like the Feds have issued the following ‘Despite the words of Dominic Violi there is no viable operational family structure and activity’ and we’re all like ‘fuck the Feds! Buffalo’s back bitches! Bodies in the streets!’

LOL Yep that sums it up.

[NickleCity]

I think what you stated is a little misleading. The Buffalo Office never said "No Comment" as if they are working on some big case and can't talk about it. They simply have "Made No Comment". There is a difference. No?
Secondly, the new Agent who replaced Cohen stated their priorities and the Buffalo Mafia was never even mentioned. In contrast, when the new F.B.I. director in Chicago took over, he stated that putting the final nail in the Outfit's coffin was one of his priorities. See the difference?

How is that misleading? Fairbanks asked the FBI about the allegations the Buffalo mob and Todaro are active in Dec. 2018 & April 2019. There response was that they have no comment. When I called in Nov. 2017 and asked if they stood by their March 2017 comment that the mob in Buffalo is dead, after the Todaro arrests in Canada their response was, “We cannot comment.” Seems to me this is their public position since the Otremens arrests.

[Pogo The Clown]

Ah I'm pretty sure that is a standard reply to a civilian inquiry. Call them again and ask them if they stand by the assertion that the Genovese family is alive and Barney Bellomo is the Boss and I'm almost certain you'll get a "No Comment" from them. I mean this is an organization that is still redacting files from over 50 years ago.


Pogo

[Moscone65]

Unrelated but is your picture screw face from marked for death?

[Wiseguy]

The FBI’s former position was the Buffalo mob is dead. Their current position is “No comment.”

Additionally, I would note that Agent Cohen who was in charge of the FBI’s Buffalo Field Office and made the comment that the Mob in Buffalo was dead in March 2017 was removed and replaced by Agent Gary A. Loeffert shortly after all the new information started to come out from Canada. Could be a coincidence, but the timing is interesting.

You seem to be reading a lot into all this.

You could well be right, but your sanctimonious attitude at even a respectful discussion means if you’re wrong, and there is a chance you are, you’ll be eating those words.

There’s sufficient evidence to suggest Buffalo could be active or at the least make the argument. You don’t have to believe it but stop acting like a condescending asshole when people present legitimate arguments, ok?

One only had to be on the Real Deal forum years ago to understand where we're coming from. Back then, you had people claiming - and believing - families in Cleveland, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Kansas City, San Francisco, and elsewhere were still around.

We went round after round with asshats like Fratto, joeychicago, and others who had people believing the Outfit was this monolithic powerhouse that still had Chicago in a vice grip.

I won't even get into all the Detroit debates which, I'm convinced, would never have even been a point of discussion in the first place without certain charts being posted annually on the RD that grew steadily from 30 to almost 60 names.

And now we're here with Buffalo.

When we've seen time after time that people who disagree with the feds do so at their own peril, it's hard not to think these who still choose to go that route aren't just engaging in wishful thinking. In short, an active family in Buffalo (or just across the border anyway) is more exciting than no active family.

Ah I'm pretty sure that is a standard reply to a civilian inquiry. Call them again and ask them if they stand by the assertion that the Genovese family is alive and Barney Bellomo is the Boss and I'm almost certain you'll get a "No Comment" from them. I mean this is an organization that is still redacting files from over 50 years ago.

That's what I got from the FBI office in Tampa when I emailed them about how many remaining LCN members there were. It's the standard response. It doesn't suggest anything.

[eboli]

If Buffalo is an active family in 2019, they would set a precedent. They would be the first crime family to have resurgence after being labeled defunct. The other problem is LE doesn't throw the defunct label lightly. They did a lot of work to destroy The Arm. Just because there's some criminal activity left in and around the city, that doesn't mean automatically mean we have a healthy, functioning family. Don't forget Peter Milano was boss until he died - 20 years after the action stopped. Lanza was playing checkers with his old friends all day at the social club for years, without doing anything, and he was still considered boss. Before Buffalo got snuffed out of the union, they were in a worse shape than The Outfit is today and we can all agree Chicago making a comeback is less likely than Michael Jordan making one, so in my opinion once that union lifeline in Buffalo was extinguished the family had very little to fall back on and very little reason to continue operating in an organized fashion. Not to mention the family was on the decline for a long time before that final nail in their coffin in 2006. It's an interesting situation, but the VIoli tapes and the offhanded remark in a couple of articles isn't enough to resurrect Buffalo from the dead without any thought or doubt, IMO of course.

[Ozgoz]

The only reason Detroit was resuscitated was because Scott wrote so much about them, including the anointing of Jackie The Kid and how the Giacalones finally sat on the throne. But if you want to make money writing about LCN there’s more money and traffic in it if you sensationalise the living shit out of it.

[Ozgoz]

I think most of us can agree to put it like this: yes what Violi said was very interesting but there is a high chance he was talking shit and the overwhelming evidence is that there is no structure in Buffalo.

That’s it, end of story really. All we’re left with is ‘time will tell.’

Anything else is pure conjecture so it’s basically fantasy football. But to be honest I don’t know why we need to circle jerk on Buffalo - there’s enough going on in 2019 that we know about.

[SonnyBlackstein]

When we've seen time after time that people who disagree with the feds do so at their own peril, it's hard not to think these who still choose to go that route aren't just engaging in wishful thinking.

Jesus H Christ Wiseguy, are you even reading my posts?
I literally responded to this exact point three posts ago.

Once, again:

And no one’s ‘disregarding’ the Feds here. The Feds official stance was before the Violi recordings. Since then no word or no comment so it’s not like the Feds have issued the following ‘Despite the words of Dominic Violi there is no viable operational family structure and activity’ and we’re all like ‘fuck the Feds! Buffalo’s back bitches! Bodies in the streets!’
No. Legitimate information for discussion has arisen and if people present evidentiary arguments, they have every right.

Or perhaps I’ll rephrase if the above is ambiguous.

The Feds come out tomorrow and declare Buffalo dead, I’ll be the first to agree.

So for the love of god, stop the broken record.

[Lupara]

The Germanic tribes are yet again attacking the northern border of our powerful Roman Empire, in which Buffalo is still very much alive and thriving with Todaro and Violi as co-emperors. What are we to do this time?

We've just withstood the troll attacks in the East after the Frank Cali murder. It is time for peace. I as senator suggest we throw a bone to these Barbarians and allow them parts of the perhaps the FBI is right territory. Let them think Buffalo is dead and work their land and then when they least expect it we attack them with our newly formed force of facts about Buffalo's viability that will soon arise.

[Pogo The Clown]

Unrelated but is your picture screw face from marked for death?

Screwface? Me don't know no Screwface.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

The Feds come out tomorrow and declare Buffalo dead, I’ll be the first to agree.

No need to wait, Sonny. They've already said it twice over the past 13 years.


Today, despite rumors that what was once the Magaddino family still operates here, federal organized crime investigators say those tales just aren’t true. They say small numbers of loosely associated individuals may still get together to commit what once were Mafia style crimes, but it’s not like the old days. - Niagara Gazette (2006)


The local FBI once had a large squad of agents working full time on mob cases, but the agency no longer considers the Mafia a presence in this region, according to Adam S. Cohen, special agent in charge of the Buffalo FBI office.

“Some of the individuals who were leaders of the Mafia are still around,” Cohen said. “But their organized crime activities don’t exist anymore. Some of them have legitimate businesses that we know of.” - The Buffalo News (2017)

[Moscone65]

Unrelated but is your picture screw face from marked for death?

Screwface? Me don't know no Screwface.


Pogo

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