General Mob Questions

[B.]

Joey Gallo told Jimmy Breslin his problem with Profaci was that Profaci would give money to help Sicilians start businesses when they came to NYC and even if they ran the business into the ground, Profaci would just give them more money to start another business whereas he did nothing to help Americanized members. There was a source very close to Joey Gallo cooperating in the early 1970s who was able to quote him verbatim and communicate all of Gallo's thoughts -- Larry was a CI but dead and I strongly suspect it was Joe himself -- and Gallo seems to have had a very poor understanding of how the mafia worked. Contrast that with similar guys like Scarpa and Persico who understood the system very well. My take is Gallo had no idea what he was getting involved in. That source in the early 70s said Gallo had completely renounced his membership.

Profaci instituting a war chest and taxing members was very controversial according to other sources though. This has happened when others did it like Carlo Gambino or Joe Massino -- as Vinny Asaro screamed outside a social club, "You shouldn't have to pay to be a mafia member." I wouldn't be surprised if Frank Abbatemarco took issue with this though I haven't seen a solid insider breakdown of what happened. It is often an outsider myth that guys are directly killed for money or rackets but it can def be bundled in with other issues going on.

[gohnjotti]

Does anybody know if Philip Bonadonna, of the Genovese family, is a relation to the Bonadonna brothers of Bensonhurst, the Sicilian family who owned the Roll-a-Rama and the Avenue I Flea Market? Or if the Bonadonnas of Bensonhurst had any mob ties?

[blackhander]

Pellegrino Colletti - 528 2ND AVE
Vito Perrone - 661 1ST AVE

These were the two bondsmen for Antonio 'Impolluzzo''s first offence, before he killed Tom Lo Monte.

Just wondering if they ring any bells for anyone?

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[B.]

Pellegrino Colletti - 528 2ND AVE
Vito Perrone - 661 1ST AVE

These were the two bondsmen for Antonio 'Impolluzzo''s first offence, before he killed Tom Lo Monte.

Just wondering if they ring any bells for anyone?


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Impelluso was from Castrofilippo in Agrigento according to the May 2014 Informer and Colletti is a heavily Agrigentino name so he may have been a paesan or from the province at least. Never heard of him though.

Interesting that both the LoMonte brothers were killed by Agrigentini, but it makes sense given they were at war with D'Aquila whose Family included the majority of NYC Agrigentini.

[blackhander]

Pellegrino Colletti - 528 2ND AVE
Vito Perrone - 661 1ST AVE

These were the two bondsmen for Antonio 'Impolluzzo''s first offence, before he killed Tom Lo Monte.

Just wondering if they ring any bells for anyone?


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Impelluso was from Castrofilippo in Agrigento according to the May 2014 Informer and Colletti is a heavily Agrigentino name so he may have been a paesan or from the province at least. Never heard of him though.

Interesting that both the LoMonte brothers were killed by Agrigentini, but it makes sense given they were at war with D'Aquila whose Family included the majority of NYC Agrigentini.

Interesting, thank you. I think you're right, probably just family friends who had enough cash on hand to bail him out.

[OmarSantista]

With not "kicking up" or stealing, Bill Bonanno said there was a rule that a member can't be killed for that. He said that was why Salvatore Mangiaracina was instead shelved and forced to leave the US. Mangiaracina was ultimately killed for returning to NYC without permission but not for stealing.

I'm sure guys have been killed for financial infractions but the Family would need to find or invent another justification and typically the kind of guy who steals from the Family is probably fucking up in other ways, i.e. DiBono or Mangiaracina.

People have a perception that tons of murders are for financial infractions but they aren't, at least not directly.

Now that’s interesting, to let him go back to his home country. You wronged us but we’ll make it right by allowing you to be banished and never return; but kill him because he returned without permission. I feel like I hear guys returning here after being shelved or deported fairly often. It makes me wonder if Sicily was really that dry in terms of activities back then or if some guys entire families moved to the U.S. leaving them no choice but to return. That actually reminds me of Mikey scars saying he has no relatives in Sicily, which really surprised me.

[OmarSantista]

Without conspiracy or speculation are there any definitive cases where a member got killed for not coming in.

Frank Abbatemarco. While it's not without some speculation, I believe the general consensus is that Joseph Peraino Sr. and Jr. were also targeted for murder for the same reason.

Apologies, I misunderstood this question to mean members getting killed for withholding money/refusing to kick up, as per your previous post. Money, and refusal to kick it up or suspicions of withholding it, is why I understand Abbatemarco and the Perainos were targeted for murder.

All G!

[OmarSantista]

Benny Gallo of Santa Ninfa was unrelated to the Gallo bros. of the Profaci Borgata, right?

[motorfab]

Benny Gallo of Santa Ninfa was unrelated to the Gallo bros. of the Profaci Borgata, right?

If I'm not mistaken, the Gallo bros were from Molise

[blackhander]

Does anyone know who Tom Lo Lomonte was married to?

Books often describe as being single, but the 1915 census before his death shows him living with his wife and two kids - 4yo and just born (the census doesn't record the wife's name.) It's definitely him in the census, as his mother confirmed his address when she was later in court. His entry in coroner's journal also marks him as married.

[Ivan]

Nobody actually called Jackie Cerone "The Lackey," right? That was just some dumb media thing, yes? It doesn't fit his character at all so I can't imagine anyone who actually knew him calling him that. (Unless it was some kind of ironic joke, like "Jack White.")

[CornerBoy]

There are a lot of guys who were associates of one family but switched to another and got made, these are a few I can think of off the top of my head.
Vic Amuso (Colombo-Lucchese), Simone Esposito (DeCavalcante-Bonanno), John Cerrella (Genovese-Lucchese), Frank DiPietro (Lucchese-Genovese), Al Embarrato (Genovese-Bonanno), Angelo Lapi (Bonanno-Genovese)

You can do a search and find the thread where we spoke of guys who were made by one family and got transferred to another.

whose crew was simone esposito in?

[CornerBoy]

Im so afraid. Who said I believe them? Are you ok? Spiraling real good. So you believe others not just indictments??? What a legend.

It's common knowledge that Jackie DiNorscio wasn't made. The only one who apparently isn't aware of this is you. You were looking to troll, because Rooster is off his meds again, and you overstepped yet again. Face it, almost every time you post, you demonstrate how much you don't know about the mob. You need to stay at the little kid's table where you belong.

Wiseguy- have you ever been to ny and spent any time in the company of any of these guys? You discount primary sources (who could be lying but why?)and subscribe only to conteents if articles, FBI reports and god knows what else. LE reports are often inaccurate or deliberate misinformation. Reading books from lying rats are iffy. There is no way to be certain of anything in bs world of mafia. state your opinion based on the sources avail to you but don't discredit a neighborhood guy simply bc some LE report says so. i come to Deer Valley twice a year and have watched docs on mormons in Utah, spoken to several, read some books etc. Does that qualify me to make absolute statements about the Mormon community in areas like Sandy etc? Of course not. the bullsshit that the govt and informers put out there sshoudl be viewed w healthy degree of skepticism. dont assail someone who says they know joey the blade or carmine the creep. could be bullshsit but oftentimes not.

[johnny_scootch]

whose crew was simone esposito in?

It’s likely he was under Joe DeSimone before becoming acting Consigliere then Consigliere and being shelved for stealing money.

Unconfirmed word on street he was addicted to oxy and basically doing anything for money.

[PolackTony]

Nobody actually called Jackie Cerone "The Lackey," right? That was just some dumb media thing, yes? It doesn't fit his character at all so I can't imagine anyone who actually knew him calling him that. (Unless it was some kind of ironic joke, like "Jack White.")

No. Like some of those other corny names (“Big Tuna”, “Joey Doves”), this was a media/LE creation. From everything I’ve seen people just called him “Jack” or “Jackie”.