What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

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Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

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Something too is Sam DiCarlo who attended 1928 Cleveland was a cousin of Cleveland captain Lorenzo Lupo who was killed in 1928. Lupo's cousin Vincenzo Lupo was also a Cleveland member who moved to Youngstown and associated closely with Joe DiCarlo Jr. when the latter moved there. The Lupos were from Vallelunga like the DiCarlos, hence the apparent relation.
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Since Scacco/Sacco was a Camporealese involved with Cleveland I'm curious where he fits in. We tend to think of the Cleveland war as Licatese vs. Licatese (which isn't wrong) but there was more going on with the key players' backgrounds.

D'Aquila faction leaders:
Joseph Lonardo - Licata, Agrigento
Lorenzo Lupo - Vallelunga, Caltanissetta
Marco LoBosco - Casteldaccia, Palermo

Masseria faction leaders:
Porrello brothers - Licata, Agrigento
Salvatore Todaro - Licata, Agrigento (family originally from Pozzallo, Ragusa)
Dr. Giuseppe Romano - Termini Imerese, Palermo

Todaro was called "il Pozzalese" in Cleveland, so apparently they didn't see him as a true Licatese even though he grew up there. His father was from Pozzallo, not sure about the mother. Todaro also had a love child with a female Porrello relative and was baptismal gumbata with Gentile (a Masseria sympathizer himself). Gentile said he knew both Lonardo and Todaro when they were kids in Agrigento.

Note I'm not sure where Romano fit in during the Lonardo/Porrello conflict or if he was in fact a Masseria ally but the Lonardo clan survivors viewed him as an enemy a few years later as we know.

I'd expect a Camporealese to lean toward the D'Aquila side but who knows. You have the Carini guys like Scalish and Randazzo too, not sure where they fit in and Scalish was too young to be relevant at this time anyway.
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lennert wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:09 pm According to FBI records, Joseph Scacco was born in 1901 in Italy, and his real name was Acourso (more likely Accorso) He died in February 1945 in Akron, Ohio. Never really looked into him, but I think this would be enough to follow up on him…
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Stroccos wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:34 pm
PolackTony wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:42 pm
lennert wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:58 pm According to the FBI, it was the one who died in 1945… List his aliases as Scacco, Sacco and Accuso. Indeed from Camporeale, father Liborio Accurso (Leo) and mother Vita Giglione. Born January 9, 1901.

The same file, by the way, notes Intravia disappeared in 1930, and his wife and children moved back to Italy. Intravia was legalky declared dead in 1938.
Wait, so the FBI later identified the 1928 Statler attendee as Giuseppe Accurso of Camporeale? The papers at the time gave him as Joseph Sacco of Chicago. I see the records for the Giuseppe Accurso (entered at NYC from Caporeale in 1920) who died in Akron in 1945 (from an illness, not murdered), but don't see anything that would obviously link him to Chicago.

Where did the address at 2011 N California in Chicago come from? Did he actually give that to the Cleveland PD when he was arrested in 1928?


Here's a photo of Giuseppe Accurso, from around 1930 apparently. Definitely looks like the same guy from the Statler photo:
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Giuseppe Accurso aka Joe Sacco is the same guy from the meeting in 1928 , Here is a photo from 1938 and the meeting arrest . according to my notes he came to Akron in 1930,
he was listed as former muscle for the Capone mob ina newsppaer article about the Big mike murder
Makes sense that he came to Akron around 1930. He married his wife, Louise DiSalvo, who was also from Camporeale by way of Brooklyn, in 1931 in Akron. Wonder where he was actually based in 1928.

The Big Mike murder was in 1938, so I wonder if the papers linking Accurso to Capone at that time actually made that claim based on something solid, or if they were just repeating what was reported in the papers at the time of the Statler bust (that “Sacco” was from Chicago and that the meeting was one of the “Capone gang”).
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Finally, what’s the consensus on Sacco/Scacco? Was he:

A) Giuseppe Accurso aka Joseph Scacco - died in Ohio in 1945

B) Joe Sacco - killed in Chicago in 1933
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JoelTurner wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:30 pm Finally, what’s the consensus on Sacco/Scacco? Was he:

A) Giuseppe Accurso aka Joseph Scacco - died in Ohio in 1945

B) Joe Sacco - killed in Chicago in 1933
Where do you get the address at 2011 N California in Chicago from? Was this something reported at the time of the 1928 Statler bust, or did it come from somewhere else? My claim that he was the guy killed in 1933 in Chicago was solely based on that address/age, but I’m not sure how it got into the original post on this thread.

After Lennert and Sroccos’ replies, and doing some follow up, it seems like a closed case that he was indeed Giuseppe Accurso from Camporeale. The Chicago Joe Sacco is interesting and it was a useful find relating to Chicago stuff, but doesn’t seem to be connected to the Hotel Statler meeting at all.
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PolackTony wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 6:54 pm
Stroccos wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:34 pm
PolackTony wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:42 pm
lennert wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:58 pm According to the FBI, it was the one who died in 1945… List his aliases as Scacco, Sacco and Accuso. Indeed from Camporeale, father Liborio Accurso (Leo) and mother Vita Giglione. Born January 9, 1901.

The same file, by the way, notes Intravia disappeared in 1930, and his wife and children moved back to Italy. Intravia was legalky declared dead in 1938.
Wait, so the FBI later identified the 1928 Statler attendee as Giuseppe Accurso of Camporeale? The papers at the time gave him as Joseph Sacco of Chicago. I see the records for the Giuseppe Accurso (entered at NYC from Caporeale in 1920) who died in Akron in 1945 (from an illness, not murdered), but don't see anything that would obviously link him to Chicago.

Where did the address at 2011 N California in Chicago come from? Did he actually give that to the Cleveland PD when he was arrested in 1928?


Here's a photo of Giuseppe Accurso, from around 1930 apparently. Definitely looks like the same guy from the Statler photo:
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Giuseppe Accurso aka Joe Sacco is the same guy from the meeting in 1928 , Here is a photo from 1938 and the meeting arrest . according to my notes he came to Akron in 1930,
he was listed as former muscle for the Capone mob ina newsppaer article about the Big mike murder
Makes sense that he came to Akron around 1930. He married his wife, Louise DiSalvo, who was also from Camporeale by way of Brooklyn, in 1931 in Akron. Wonder where he was actually based in 1928.

The Big Mike murder was in 1938, so I wonder if the papers linking Accurso to Capone at that time actually made that claim based on something solid, or if they were just repeating what was reported in the papers at the time of the Statler bust (that “Sacco” was from Chicago and that the meeting was one of the “Capone gang”).
The article i saw didn't mention the statleer bust it mentioned some national police report where Accurso was labled the 7th most dangerous gunmen of Italian decent in the county
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JoelTurner wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:30 pm Finally, what’s the consensus on Sacco/Scacco? Was he:

A) Giuseppe Accurso aka Joseph Scacco - died in Ohio in 1945

B) Joe Sacco - killed in Chicago in 1933
A) Giuseppe Accurso aka Joseph Scacco - died in Ohio in 1945. I'll add that I've known Lennert for many years and the man is an amazing researcher, especially considering that he lives in northwestern Europe. The 2014 article in Informer wouldn't have been the same without his many contributions.
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I know that all the people that were there are no longer living.
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PolackTony wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 10:14 pm Where do you get the address at 2011 N California in Chicago from? Was this something reported at the time of the 1928 Statler bust, or did it come from somewhere else? My claim that he was the guy killed in 1933 in Chicago was solely based on that address/age, but I’m not sure how it got into the original post on this thread.
I looked up Sacco and got this article (https://www.newspapers.com/image/355093483/). The name/age/place seemed to match so I wrote it in the original post.
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Tonyd621 wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:55 am I know that all the people that were there are no longer living.
That meeting was like opening King Tut’s tomb.

Mangano, Vaglica, San Filippo, Tilocco, Palazzolo, Alo, LoLordo, Giunta, and Cammarata were all killed.
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JoelTurner wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:33 am
PolackTony wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 10:14 pm Where do you get the address at 2011 N California in Chicago from? Was this something reported at the time of the 1928 Statler bust, or did it come from somewhere else? My claim that he was the guy killed in 1933 in Chicago was solely based on that address/age, but I’m not sure how it got into the original post on this thread.
I looked up Sacco and got this article (https://www.newspapers.com/image/355093483/). The name/age/place seemed to match so I wrote it in the original post.
Got it, that makes sense now. I had read the original post as if that address was actually reported somewhere for the guy in Cleveland when he was arrested in 1928.

Still glad that we identified the Chicago guy killed in 1933 even though he wasn’t present at the Statler meeting, because if he was the Joseph Sacco arrested in a hit car with Santo Virruso, Giovanni Oliveri, and Settimo Vitello in 1927, that may potentially tell us something about links between the Chicago mafia and Calabresi mobsters in Kenosha/Racine WI.
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JoelTurner wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:46 am
Tonyd621 wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:55 am I know that all the people that were there are no longer living.
That meeting was like opening King Tut’s tomb.

Mangano, Vaglica, San Filippo, Tilocco, Palazzolo, Alo, LoLordo, Giunta, and Cammarata were all killed.
Based on Lennert’s info, I think that we can also strongly presume that Girolamo Intravaia was killed in the series of hits in Chicago around May 1930. Salvatore Oliveri seems to have probably escaped execution by the skin of his teeth and wound up getting refuge in Rockford.
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JoelTurner wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:46 am
Tonyd621 wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:55 am I know that all the people that were there are no longer living.
That meeting was like opening King Tut’s tomb.

Mangano, Vaglica, San Filippo, Tilocco, Palazzolo, Alo, LoLordo, Giunta, and Cammarata were all killed.

Vaglica was eating french fries when they got him. Didn't even let him finish!
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sdeitche wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:01 am
JoelTurner wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:46 am
Tonyd621 wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:55 am I know that all the people that were there are no longer living.
That meeting was like opening King Tut’s tomb.

Mangano, Vaglica, San Filippo, Tilocco, Palazzolo, Alo, LoLordo, Giunta, and Cammarata were all killed.

Vaglica was eating french fries when they got him. Didn't even let him finish!
I heard they got busted for taking selfies and Manganos soldiers are in an uproar bc Mangano took a selfie with Vaglica and they can't stand Vaglica.
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