What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

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Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

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Antiliar wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:25 pm I believe Giunta was a boss - one of Capone's "puppets" until he allegedly turned on him with Scalise and Anselmi.
Hard to say. Not saying that you’re wrong, as I’m personally agnostic/on the fence about Giunta’s official status. Chicago had its last two bosses murdered in the space of a few months, so I’m honestly unsure that politically they’d be in the position of being able to formally elect or ratify a boss. Several scenarios could be consistent with what we know about Giunta: he could have been formally installed as rappresentante, he could have been acting as capo of the Family but never officially held the title, or he could have attempted to seize the office and died trying. If the Family was at war with itself following the LoLordo hit, then we have reason to suspect that they may not have been able to install an official rappresentante that would be recognized by the national organization.

With respect to the notion of puppet bosses, maybe this accurately described the relationship between Capone and men like LoLordo and LoVerde. Or, alternatively, they were more like partners with common aims and interests (at least up to a point; LoVerde’s interests apparently led to him bleeding out in the floor of a vacant social club, though there remains much that we don’t understand with what happened with after Capone became official boss). Gentile understood Capone to have been the “real capo” of Chicago despite being still formally a Masseria capodecina, but framing LoVerde as a puppet, for example, I think may be somewhat overstated.

As with most of these events, there were competing narratives and claims put out by several sources. The Chicago Tribune claimed to have it on good authority that Giunta, Scalise, and Anselmi were sacrificed by Capone as part of an effort to secure peace in Chicago at another meeting allegedly held in the Spring of 1929 in Cleveland. The claim was that Aiello leveled charges against these three men for having violated a prior pact and that the meeting ruled against them, with Capone being powerless to overturn the verdict. Not saying that I think thats’s what happened, but we don’t have a Nick Gentile in this case to provide an insider source, and these things often played out very differently behind the scenes then we would guess. The press was often plain wrong and even dishonest, but they also sometimes had sources actually in the know.

You’re probably aware that the Tribune also reported that sources alleged that it was Aiello who dropped the dime on the Statler meeting to CPD.
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JoelTurner wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:49 pm
PolackTony wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:39 pm On another note, I was able to finally figure out who the Joseph Sacco at the Hotel Statler was, based on the age and address given at his arrest.

He was living at 2011 N California in the Logan Square neighborhood (same address as he gave in Cleveland) and working as a janitor at nearby Chase elementary school
This was the guy that I found too.

The school janitor thing really through me off though. Like I find it to imagine a mob heavyweight cleaning up after kids.

PolackTony wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:39 pm In 1930, Joseph Sacco was living in Buffalo (1930 was a year that a lot of people got out of Chicago, for obvious reasons).
Could he have been a Buffalo member in 1928?

Hypothetically, their leadership could have sent him with Sam Di Carlo because of his connections in Chicago.

It would make sense that they sent 2 members like the other families.
Sorry, that was a typo/error. I had meant to write that Sacco was in Wisconsin (his wife’s family, who were from the same town in Calabria as his family, owned a farm in rural WI). I had it on my mind that he was born near Buffalo, as I had just been looking at his birth record, and wrote Buffalo by mistake; too late to edit.

I think the janitor job was just a cover; he was a mafioso and likely would have no problem getting a legit job as a cover through the Chicago public schools. He was rocking diamond jewelry and shit, the guy probably wasn’t mopping vomit off floors. When he was killed, he had been in the company of a young attractive girl who was not his wife but supposedly a “friend of the family”. Makes me suspect that he was involved in the prostitution racket.
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- I've wondered if Giuseppa Traina was acting capo dei capi and/or Gambino acting boss at the time of this meeting. He was consigliere and sat in as sostituto for D'Aquila previously and Mineo may not have transferred / been elected boss yet. The Gambino Family had a history of having consigliere serve as a temporary acting boss (Bill B said this was common in general) when the boss died, including Carlo Gambino in 1957 and Joe N Gallo in both 1976 and 1985/86.

- We can't assume Masseria immediately became capo either, so they may have had a provisional capo for a period like DiGaetano and Messina. Traina would make sense given he had experience in the role, just as he was selected to organize the peace Comission during the war. A later informant thought "Don Peppino" (likely Traina) had been "Carlo Gambino before Carlo Gambino" which if nothing else shows people were aware he had even more stature early on. Could have been a "random" acting capo too.

- The heavy representation from Chicago and New Jersey points to those Families being a major topic of discussion. We don't know what was going on in NJ but with Chicago it's fairly obvious, though why these particular representatives were chosen is the mystery. Lolordo makes sense and Bacino would be his aide (like Lombardino/Lombardino and Profaci/Magliocco), but Cinisi members possibly representing multiple Illinois Families had a reason to be there. If Sacco was Calabrian that adds another angle... Dave Critchley had him as Camporealese but I never found a record for that myself. He would be another mainlander made into the Chicago Family in the 1920s.

- Everyone agrees D'Aquila's death/aftermath had to be a big part of this especially with Traina/Mangano attending. Question is if Mangano was there as Traina's aide or representing a faction in his own right -- Gentile said Mangano was far more sympathetic with Masseria/Mineo and Traina told him Mangano wouldn't betray Masseria. Mangano had been close to D'Aquila but interestingly was not one of the vengeful D'Aquila loyalists who collaborated with Maranzano -- for all we know he was central to getting Mineo accepted as boss.

- Meeting indicates Profaci was already a high-ranking member in the former Mineo Family given he brought Magliocco as an aide. His Chicago connections as well as the attendance of his cousin Nello Cammarata (tied to both NJ and Chicago) could have given him added reason to attend in addition to the D'Aquila/Mineo matter.

- I'd bet there were a number of meetings during this period that we're unaware of. Too many big issues to be settled in Cleveland alone and this one was disrupted anyway.

- One thing I'm curious about is whether any of the attendees sat on the Gran Consiglio. Seems apparent this was an Asssemblea and I'd assume Consiglio members attended especially with volatile national events going on.
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JoelTurner wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:01 pm
Attendees:

The information for the following attendees is fairly clear

Colombo Family

Joseph Profaci - 31 - 8877 15th Ave, Brooklyn, NY

Joseph Magliocco - 30 - 279 Bay 11th St, Brooklyn, NY

Gambino Family:

Joseph Traina - 46 - 1778 73rd St, Brooklyn, NY

Vincent Mangano - 40 - 254 President St, Brooklyn, NY

Tampa Family

Ignazio Italiano - 68 - 1802 Tampania Ave, Tampa, FL

Joseph Vaglica - 35 - 1117 Cypress St, Tampa, FL

Newark Family

Salvatore Lombardino - 38 - 298 14th Ave, Newark, NJ

Andrew Lombardino - 24 - 292 Fairmont Ave, Newark, NJ

St. Louis Family

Charles San Filippo - 28 - 2323 Macklind Ave, St. Louis, MO

John Mirabella - 21 - 6670 Delmar Blvd, University City, MO

Buffalo Family

Sam DiCarlo - 24 - 280 Prospect Ave, Buffalo, NY

Cleveland Family

Sam Tilocco - 36 - 3383 Norwood Rd, Cleveland, OH

-------------> Here's where it gets complicated

I’m not sure if these people were in the Chicago Outfit.

Gary Family - ?

Paul Palazzolo - 33 - 1321 Ellsworth Place, Gary, IN

Frank Alo - 25 - 1517 Adams St, Gary, IN

Chicago Outfit

Pasqualino LoLordo - 43 - 1921 W North Ave, Chicago, IL

Joseph Giunta - 41 - 1756 North Lockwood Ave, Chicago, IL

James Intravaia - 34 - 1428 Sedgwick St, Chicago, IL

Sam Oliviera - 33 - 1952 Paulding Ave, Bronx, NY [This is from the 1930 census; he probably moved between 1928-30]

Philip Bacino (Tony Bello) - 26 - 14 163rd St, Calumet City, IL

Emmanuel Cammarata - 25 - Couldn't find any Illinois information

Joseph Sacco - 24 - 2011 North California Ave, Chicago, IL

Family Unknown

Michael Russo - 33 - 105 Ridgely Ave, Iselin, NJ

The article says he lived in Iceland (Iselin), NJ which matches his residence in 1940. However, his census record says that he was living in NYC in 1935. Plus, at his arrest in 1932 for the Bazzano murder, he listed his address as 1202 5th Ave, Pittsburgh, PA. He bounced around so it's hard to tell.

Giuseppe Palermo/Paleesine - No idea who this is
Michael DiLeonardo brought this meeting up to me and I admitably know very little about it. I always heard about the December 5th, 1928 Cleveland meeting but never looked into it. Michael then speculated whether or not this was meeting was due to D'Aquila's murder on Oct 10 almost two months later. Michael is turning into quite the researcher, he is very interested in Sicilian-American history and I'm learning from him. (I never heard of the Lucchese Shoe Company of Texas that opened in the 19th century and eventually provided the US army with shoes.) Combine this science with his own personal background, he has an instinct for the life and picks up on things that we, as pure researchers, don't pick up on.

Looking at that list, it does appear that the groups/individuals that attended were D'Aquila loyalists/Friends. That cannot be disputed, combined that with this meeting occurring two months after D'Aquila's death, it would be foolish to not see the strong possibility. We don't know what the meeting was about, it could have been over the subject of D'Aquila's murder or it could have involved another subject that we don't know about. But I would take note on Michael's observations.
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Question- where was Giuseppe Traina from in Sicily? Born about 1882?
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cavita wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 6:53 am Question- where was Giuseppe Traina from in Sicily? Born about 1882?
Belmonte Mezzagno. Same place as Lupo member Giuseppe Giamlombardo and Cumberland, NJ Philadelphia-affiliated Scafidis.
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According to FBI records, Joseph Scacco was born in 1901 in Italy, and his real name was Acourso (more likely Accorso) He died in February 1945 in Akron, Ohio. Never really looked into him, but I think this would be enough to follow up on him…
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According to his obituary, he was once a suspect innthe shotgun slaying of Akron numbers kingpin “Big Mike” Saviolis, for which he was arrested in 1938 in Brooklyn, NY, were he went with his family after the Saviolis murder. He eventually moved back to Akron, and bought an interest in the Victoria Club in Cuyahoga Falls. Wife’s name is listed as Louisa, his for children as Vita, Clara, Louis and Leo.
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I think that Joseph Scacco was a separate guy from the Joseph Sacco who was arrested at this meeting.

The Origin of Organized Crime in America references a Joseph Scacco from Camporeale as an attendee [P.203], however I think that Joseph Sacco who was killed in 1933 was the right one.

Their names and ages are so similar, I can get why they could be confused
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According to the FBI, it was the one who died in 1945… List his aliases as Scacco, Sacco and Accuso. Indeed from Camporeale, father Liborio Accurso (Leo) and mother Vita Giglione. Born January 9, 1901.

The same file, by the way, notes Intravia disappeared in 1930, and his wife and children moved back to Italy. Intravia was legalky declared dead in 1938.
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lennert wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:58 pm According to the FBI, it was the one who died in 1945… List his aliases as Scacco, Sacco and Accuso. Indeed from Camporeale, father Liborio Accurso (Leo) and mother Vita Giglione. Born January 9, 1901.

The same file, by the way, notes Intravia disappeared in 1930, and his wife and children moved back to Italy. Intravia was legalky declared dead in 1938.
Wait, so the FBI later identified the 1928 Statler attendee as Giuseppe Accurso of Camporeale? The papers at the time gave him as Joseph Sacco of Chicago. I see the records for the Giuseppe Accurso (entered at NYC from Caporeale in 1920) who died in Akron in 1945 (from an illness, not murdered), but don't see anything that would obviously link him to Chicago.

Where did the address at 2011 N California in Chicago come from? Did he actually give that to the Cleveland PD when he was arrested in 1928?


Here's a photo of Giuseppe Accurso, from around 1930 apparently. Definitely looks like the same guy from the Statler photo:
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PolackTony wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:42 pm
lennert wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:58 pm According to the FBI, it was the one who died in 1945… List his aliases as Scacco, Sacco and Accuso. Indeed from Camporeale, father Liborio Accurso (Leo) and mother Vita Giglione. Born January 9, 1901.

The same file, by the way, notes Intravia disappeared in 1930, and his wife and children moved back to Italy. Intravia was legalky declared dead in 1938.
Wait, so the FBI later identified the 1928 Statler attendee as Giuseppe Accurso of Camporeale? The papers at the time gave him as Joseph Sacco of Chicago. I see the records for the Giuseppe Accurso (entered at NYC from Caporeale in 1920) who died in Akron in 1945 (from an illness, not murdered), but don't see anything that would obviously link him to Chicago.

Where did the address at 2011 N California in Chicago come from? Did he actually give that to the Cleveland PD when he was arrested in 1928?


Here's a photo of Giuseppe Accurso, from around 1930 apparently. Definitely looks like the same guy from the Statler photo:
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Giuseppe Accurso aka Joe Sacco is the same guy from the meeting in 1928 , Here is a photo from 1938 and the meeting arrest . according to my notes he came to Akron in 1930,
he was listed as former muscle for the Capone mob ina newsppaer article about the Big mike murder
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Antiliar wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 3:25 pm The lack of representation from the Masseria borgata suggests this was partially in response to the recent killing of D'Aquila (Mike DiLeonardo also noted this), maybe a strategy session to deal with the new regime.

I think it's possible the Giunta was being introduced as the new Chicago representante and perhaps a truce or arrangement with the Aiellos. I think as the hosts the new Cleveland leaders wanted to put on a good show. It obviously didn't turn out that way.

Could it have been a National Assembly? It's possible. When Gentile wrote about them he described hundreds of members attending, but maybe this was on the smaller end or he exaggerated the numbers. Or there were more arrivals who fled upon hearing of the arrests.
rick porello thought it was unione siciliania meeting ? Any thoughts on that ?
Masseria moved his family to cleveland i think the new bosses in Cleveland where his allies , TOdaro and porello, they killed D'aquila ally Joe Lonardo

but one thing i found interesting is on MF its mentioned Daquila used Mike Lobosco in Cleveland handle his work and one of the people who offered to post bond for the people arrested at the meeting was marco Lobosco
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Marco LoBosco is likely Mike LoBosco, who was described as a "spy" for D'Aquila. Stefano Magaddino also references Mike LoBosco in relation to the early 1920s Buffalo Assemblea meeting attended by Lonardo. If Marco = Mike, then he was from Casteldaccia in Palermo.

When Lonardo loyalist and capodecina Lorenzo Lupo lived in NYC he lived in the same building as a Carmine LoBosco. Might not be a coincidence since the Lonardo-Lupo faction and LoBosco were all closely tied to NYC.
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Stroccos wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:55 pm
Antiliar wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 3:25 pm The lack of representation from the Masseria borgata suggests this was partially in response to the recent killing of D'Aquila (Mike DiLeonardo also noted this), maybe a strategy session to deal with the new regime.

I think it's possible the Giunta was being introduced as the new Chicago representante and perhaps a truce or arrangement with the Aiellos. I think as the hosts the new Cleveland leaders wanted to put on a good show. It obviously didn't turn out that way.

Could it have been a National Assembly? It's possible. When Gentile wrote about them he described hundreds of members attending, but maybe this was on the smaller end or he exaggerated the numbers. Or there were more arrivals who fled upon hearing of the arrests.
rick porello thought it was unione siciliania meeting ? Any thoughts on that ?
Masseria moved his family to cleveland i think the new bosses in Cleveland where his allies , TOdaro and porello, they killed D'aquila ally Joe Lonardo

but one thing i found interesting is on MF its mentioned Daquila used Mike Lobosco in Cleveland handle his work and one of the people who offered to post bond for the people arrested at the meeting was marco Lobosco
Rick Porrello and Allan May relied on books like John Kobler's "Capone" and certain articles in the Chicago Tribune that conflated the Unione Siciliana with the Mafia. The Unione (which changed its name to the Italo-American National Union in 1925) was a fraternal organization that sold insurance. Some of its chapters were infiltrated by the Mafia and some Mafia leaders ran it at different times, just like the Mafia ran labor unions. But the Unione Siciliana was not a synonym for the Chicago Mafia as they seemed to write.

As for Masseria moving his family to Cleveland, his relatives had already lived there for about 10 - 20 years.
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