Moscone65 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:41 am
Hey polacktony, any more details on that young gang member you heard was recently killed? Any idea why?
Antiliar discussed it on the Chicago thread.
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:37 pm
Someone who shall remain anonymous shared some info with me. I can't vouch for any of it, and I won't get into how he knows this. Anyways, I thought I would share the info with the group.
He said that Solly D is running the Outfit and Sal Cautadella is his underboss. He said Jimmy I stays in the background of the Cicero crew and Louis Rainone calls the shots. A guy named Joe Guarino is a heavy hitter for Rainone. The killing of Anthony Catalano was because he tried to steal a truck from the Cicero guys and Jimmy I ordered his death. In 2020 a guy named Bobby English (no relation - as far as he knows - to Chuckie English) was killed for the same reason.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020 ... e-flournoy
https://www.facebook.com/lhfirm/posts/y ... 838050953/
Bobby English, Jr, was a member of the 12th St Players, an historically Italian gang in Cicero/Berwyn affiliated with the People alliance. His father is a high-ranking leader in the organization who is currently incarcerated. Louie Rainone and Joe Guarino (as well as Paulie Carparelli, who was probably shelved) were 12th St Players as well. Additionally, Antiliar’s source claimed that the Cicero crew whacked another family member, Billy English, recently for “stealing”.
Coloboy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:27 am
I'm sure there are elements within the current day Outfit that still have the willingness and capability to take people out. However, based on what information we have it seems to be a last ditch effort kind of strategy and one that is used extremely rarely.
It is unlikely we will ever see something like the Zizzo hit again, where we have an easily definable high ranking outfit member so clearly taken out. I would imagine that the first rule of any possible hit is an almost complete un-traceability back to outfit members. Looking at two of the instances talked about above (Norbert Velez and the Chuckie Russell gangbanger target), both of those guys were not easily traced back to the outfit, and could theoretically be victims of any type of gang or drug violence. Also, We have Albie Vena on a wire via Steve Mandell clearly refusing to approve a hit request from Mandell (I believe this was around 2010 or so) based on the fact that it would bring too much heat. My assumption in this instance is because he felt the guy was too easily traced back to the outfit.
Secondly, I would think that the target would have to be someone who was really screwing up possible revenue production or earning potential in a big way. No one is getting killed over a 10K loan or a personal insult for example.
Agreed they we’re unlikely to see another Zizzo-type incident.
My take is that they have some very rough criminal types working under them, and periodically have to take one of those guys out to keep them in line. Gangbangers like Velez and English, or drug dealers like Catalano and DeFillipis, are the types who if these individuals wind up murdered, no one is going to be very surprised. If Antiliar’s source is accurate, then it certainly seems that they will drop these guys for something as relatively low-level as stealing a car from a made guy. So one has to wonder what they’d do if someone threatened to flip on them.
Ivan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:17 am
Coloboy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:27 am
I'm sure there are elements within the current day Outfit that still have the willingness and capability to take people out. However, based on what information we have it seems to be a last ditch effort kind of strategy and one that is used extremely rarely.
Yeah and it would get the job done as far as deterrence goes. Like in that quote from earlier, "Even if they only kill one guy every five years, no one wants to be that guy."
I still think making people vanish would be the ultimate deterrent -- that shit is fucking spooky. One day a guy is around and the next he's just...
gone.
Agreed on both points. I’ve said it before, but the modern-day Chicago outfit is not an organization that I’d play around with. They may be small and have a limited sphere of influence today, but they have some extremely nasty people within their circle and we have plenty of evidence to suggest that they will kill when they deem it necessary and feasible.