New Orleans and Tampa..

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Was Frattiano lying when he said Dragna took a cash payout over a piece of a Vegas casino? My goodness some things are just common knowledge. Jack Dragna was bush league.

[johnny_scootch]

Jack Dragna was bush league.

The guy was a boss for 25 years and he died a free man. He was no Gambino or Accardo but bush league he certainly was not.

[Wiseguy]

(When Pete Milano was boss of L.A., he was so weak that other Families basically ignored him and moved in anyways, so even having a hierarchy isn't enough to maintain control.)

Whatever pretense there was for rules went out the window in the Gotti era. Chin's objection was only driven by his own ambition. Broke the rules himself by ordering a bombing of Gotti's car, long a no-no in the states. Then blasted the wrong guy for good score. Gotti's devil's luck was mind numbing. I'm sure his voice box being ripped out and watching his preening grandkids turning his family name into a punchline on cable television was some kind of comeuppance for what he got away with in his teflon days.

Charlie Lucky shit on the LA family long before Peter Milano. Told Dragna not to fuck with the Jew...or else. The accounts of Dragna being upset over having to drop Benny's name to get into posh Hollywood spots is both sad and funny. I know Dragna wasnt a total putz. I follow his grandkid on Facebook and his enthusiasm for mob history matches mine, but my goodness he has an uphill battle trying to change grandad's legacy.

What happened with this Isgro guy? Wasn't he trying to juice a-listers in Beverly Hills, threaten to break some knee caps then got arrested? Lol. What did he think would happen?

Mickey was the only real boss LA ever had, Italian or not. The only true king of the rackets the town ever saw (outside of city hall or the sheriff's station....)

Anyway..regarding Tampa and New Orleans, I'm always thinking how can there not be any activity in NO since Katrina with all the fuckery that's been going on there? I read somewhere that their black population decreased by something like 30% while the white population increased by a similar number? They used the tragedy to displace residents and gentrify the fucking place right under our noses and no media would dare seem to question it. Even The Sopranos had a quick storyline about it. "Dick Cheney for president...of the universe". That's a quote from a fictional career criminal and murderer, btw.

This rambling post is all over the place and I'm not sure what elicited it.

Sure, Dragna (like any family out west) was "bush league" compared to New York. And it was Siegel's ties to NY (specifically the Genovese family) that gave him the clout Dragna had to recognize. But I don't know what makes you think he was "bush league" compared to Mickey Cohen.

Not sure why you're even bringing up Isgro. Nobody ever claimed he was boss of anything. He was a LA-based Gambino soldier who had been involved in the music promotion business (including payola) and later loansharking. The latter was the subject of his bust in 2000 but I don't recall any allegations about "A-listers." Of course, he was later busted in 2014 in New York for his role in a Gambino sports betting operation.

As far as New Orleans post-Katrina, in his book former prosecutor John Kroger does briefly mention the mob being involved in Hurricane Katrina charity rip-offs, but I haven't seen any specifics. And I doubt it would have involved any remnants of the New Orleans family, of which there are virtually none.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Jack Dragna was bush league.

The guy was a boss for 25 years and he died a free man. He was no Gambino or Accardo but bush league he certainly was not.

Boss of what? Honestly he must have had an in to be a boss of anything I'll give him that. Didn't he start off with the Reina family? There's supposedly a pic with him and Lucchese. Honestly, that's the peak for him. After that it's running one of the least respected families in the country and running vice rackets that were inferior to that of his Jewish rivals.

When all of the LA people went to Vegas where the real fix was in and it was obvious that with the Gangster Squad LA was dead for rackets, why didnt Dragna at least get into the Vegas rackets? Frattiano says he was actually awarded a piece of a hotel but took a cash buyout instead. It was too sophisticated for him. He didn't want to lose his mickey mouse LA rackets. He couldn't read between the lines. And don't tell me about laying low...the fix was in in Vegas. The mobsters in at the ground floor were untouchable to law enforcement. Nevada wanted them. It was just all too much for the bumbling black hander.

This is why Mickey refused to acknowledge him. Mickey considered old man Milano the boss of LA.

[motorfab]

Boss of a family of 45-55 members, that's not nothing. You are right when you say that Dragna lacked ambition when it comes to Las Vegas, but saying that he was a "bush league", that makes no sense. No comment on thinking about his supposed career peak when he was in NY, I'm sure yourself don't believe what you wrote.

BTW, you know the Mickey Mouse Mafia thing came after Fratianno flipped, right?

As for Cohen and Milano, it is very likely that it was the Milanos who sent Cohen to California, so nothing exceptional about him respecting them ...

[Antiliar]

This is why Mickey refused to acknowledge him. Mickey considered old man Milano the boss of LA.

I have Mickey's published and unpublished autobiographies, every biography, his FBI file, numerous articles, and interviews from people who knew him. Mickey considered himself a friend of Dragnas (even when they were trying to kill him). He absolutely acknowledged him as boss (of the mahoffs, as he called them), but chose to remain independent. He was also friends with the Milanos and Frank Costello, and partnered with them in gambling, but he was fully aware that they didn't run Los Angeles. Where are you getting all this stuff from?

[B.]

Jack Dragna was significant enough to get Willie Moretti murdered. He didn't issue the order, but he took the accusation up the chain to his avugad Lucchese and it was investigated by the Commission. The Commission sided with Dragna and Moretti was killed.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Boss of a family of 45-55 members, that's not nothing. You are right when you say that Dragna lacked ambition when it comes to Las Vegas, but saying that he was a "bush league", that makes no sense. No comment on thinking about his supposed career peak when he was in NY, I'm sure yourself don't believe what you wrote.

BTW, you know the Mickey Mouse Mafia thing came after Fratianno flipped, right?

As for Cohen and Milano, it is very likely that it was the Milanos who sent Cohen to California, so nothing exceptional about him respecting them ...

Boss of a family with 55 members who no one took seriously. Could be 100 members, what difference would it make? Everyone knew Chicago, Bugsy and later Cohen were the real muscle in town.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Jack Dragna was significant enough to get Willie Moretti murdered. He didn't issue the order, but he took the accusation up the chain to his avugad Lucchese and it was investigated by the Commission. The Commission sided with Dragna and Moretti was killed.

I have literally seen it all now from the Dragna stans.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Mickey considered himself a friend of Dragnas (even when they were trying to kill him)

[motorfab]

Boss of a family of 45-55 members, that's not nothing. You are right when you say that Dragna lacked ambition when it comes to Las Vegas, but saying that he was a "bush league", that makes no sense. No comment on thinking about his supposed career peak when he was in NY, I'm sure yourself don't believe what you wrote.

BTW, you know the Mickey Mouse Mafia thing came after Fratianno flipped, right?

As for Cohen and Milano, it is very likely that it was the Milanos who sent Cohen to California, so nothing exceptional about him respecting them ...

Boss of a family with 55 members who no one took seriously. Could be 100 members, what difference would it make? Everyone knew Chicago, Bugsy and later Cohen were the real muscle in town.

I note that it's been 2 times (once me yesterday, and once Antiliar earlier) that you have been asked where you get your "info" from and that it's been twice that you evade the question with off-topic sentences or kikoolol smileys.

So that you doubt what I'm saying, why not we are here to exchange ideas and information but in the meantime I'm still waiting for you to tell us what exactly you're basing yourself on to assert that Dragna was a weak boss and that Luciano was shitting on him (to quote you)

[chin_gigante]

Jack Dragna was significant enough to get Willie Moretti murdered. He didn't issue the order, but he took the accusation up the chain to his avugad Lucchese and it was investigated by the Commission. The Commission sided with Dragna and Moretti was killed.

I have literally seen it all now from the Dragna stans.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... moretti%22

[motorfab]

Jack Dragna was significant enough to get Willie Moretti murdered. He didn't issue the order, but he took the accusation up the chain to his avugad Lucchese and it was investigated by the Commission. The Commission sided with Dragna and Moretti was killed.

I have literally seen it all now from the Dragna stans.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... moretti%22

Amen.

[Antiliar]

Boss of a family of 45-55 members, that's not nothing. You are right when you say that Dragna lacked ambition when it comes to Las Vegas, but saying that he was a "bush league", that makes no sense. No comment on thinking about his supposed career peak when he was in NY, I'm sure yourself don't believe what you wrote.

BTW, you know the Mickey Mouse Mafia thing came after Fratianno flipped, right?

As for Cohen and Milano, it is very likely that it was the Milanos who sent Cohen to California, so nothing exceptional about him respecting them ...

Boss of a family with 55 members who no one took seriously. Could be 100 members, what difference would it make? Everyone knew Chicago, Bugsy and later Cohen were the real muscle in town.

Got evidence?

[JeremyTheJew]

Here as In DETROIT

Nice pfp Jeremy, I thought Canadians only knew about that show, I guess since your in Detroit it ain’t far.

I LOVE FUGGETABOUTIT
me and wifey have it on repeat at least once a month the whole night.
We've watched all 3 seasons and haven't seen any after that.
Love the show tho.. I'll actually probably be getting them tattooed lol