Pat Musitano Dead

[Frank]

Pat still has guys working for him. Supposedly a guy claiming to work for him was threatening one if the news crews. Will be interesting to see if there is retaliation.

Retaliation against who? Are we even clear on who is taking out the Musitanos? Luppino? Some kind of Buffalo Canadian wing(I really don't want to start another argument about that though)?

I dont think it is known or ever come out what the Musitano hits are all about and who is behind it. Violi talks about it on tape, definitely sounds like he knows whats going on, and calls Musitano a pain in the ass, and not on his side but stops short of saying if he is involved or just an observer. It is possible that Violi isnt involved, but knows whats going on.

[Lupara]

I also think people shouldn't jump to conclusions.

When Domenic Violi spoke about the attacks on Musitano, he seemed to have been referring to a third party. However, his knowlegde on the conflict suggests that he was either backing this other party or had sanctioned the killings. For instance, he was confident to say to Morena that Musitano would be gone before the end of the year.

[Frank]

I also think people shouldn't jump to conclusions.

When Domenic Violi spoke about the attacks on Musitano, he seemed to have been referring to a third party. However, his knowlegde on the conflict suggests that he was either backing this other party or had sanctioned the killings. For instance, he was confident to say to Morena that Musitano would be gone before the end of the year.

Yes its like to what degree is he involved, that grey area.

[Moscone65]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s another crew/faction of the Luppinos. Like the actual Luppinos, not the Violis, who are part of the Luppino/buffalo groups. So don knew what was going on and supported it but I think another group of Luppinos is doing this, and it’s about gambling and real estate.

[Ed]

This article goes into a bit of the backstory on the Musitano brothers for those who don't know. I didn't realize the founding Musitano relative fled to Canada after killing his own sister in an honour killing.

Mob expert James Dubro is quoted in the article. I've spoken to Dubro and he's a mild-mannered guy. He has nothing good to say about Musitano.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/ ... th-warrant

[Moscone65]

Not for nothing but this dubro guy has his head up his ass, is biased, and I think he’s been out of the loop for many years now in all honesty. The guy is better talking about politics than the mob at this point. All the times the news sources have quoted this so called “mob expert” in the last decade he’s spewed mostly useless shit that any average Joe from this website could tell you. Adrian humphries and peter Edwards are a little bit better atleast. And Paul manning actually knows people who are still in the loop. He’s a two faced, liberal British rat, but that’s another story.

[Moscone65]

That’s just my opinion anyways ^

[John W]

Not for nothing but this dubro guy has his head up his ass, is biased, and I think he’s been out of the loop for many years now in all honesty. The guy is better talking about politics than the mob at this point. All the times the news sources have quoted this so called “mob expert” in the last decade he’s spewed mostly useless shit that any average Joe from this website could tell you. Adrian humphries and peter Edwards are a little bit better atleast. And Paul manning actually knows people who are still in the loop. He’s a two faced, liberal British rat, but that’s another story.

What’s your problem with Paul Manning, I’m pretty sure he was an undercover cop doing his job, what makes him a rat?

[Lupara]

Not for nothing but this dubro guy has his head up his ass, is biased, and I think he’s been out of the loop for many years now in all honesty. The guy is better talking about politics than the mob at this point. All the times the news sources have quoted this so called “mob expert” in the last decade he’s spewed mostly useless shit that any average Joe from this website could tell you. Adrian humphries and peter Edwards are a little bit better atleast.

Agreed. But when he was still in the loop many decades ago he made a great documentary called 'Connections'.

[Moscone65]

Not for nothing but this dubro guy has his head up his ass, is biased, and I think he’s been out of the loop for many years now in all honesty. The guy is better talking about politics than the mob at this point. All the times the news sources have quoted this so called “mob expert” in the last decade he’s spewed mostly useless shit that any average Joe from this website could tell you. Adrian humphries and peter Edwards are a little bit better atleast. And Paul manning actually knows people who are still in the loop. He’s a two faced, liberal British rat, but that’s another story.

What’s your problem with Paul Manning, I’m pretty sure he was an undercover cop doing his job, what makes him a rat?

Idk I just don’t like his constant political stances and crap I see on his Twitter. Maybe as a guy he’s alright, he seems to be a family man too, but ya I don’t like the whole undercover cop vibe either. Just like joe pistone. To go undercover most of the time you have to be a real rat. Look I know pat Musitano was no saint, he did his fair share of shit. But these cops have their hands dirty as well, then they go undercover and pretend like they are are all righteous and shit. I just don’t agree with it.

[Moscone65]

Not for nothing but this dubro guy has his head up his ass, is biased, and I think he’s been out of the loop for many years now in all honesty. The guy is better talking about politics than the mob at this point. All the times the news sources have quoted this so called “mob expert” in the last decade he’s spewed mostly useless shit that any average Joe from this website could tell you. Adrian humphries and peter Edwards are a little bit better atleast.

Agreed. But when he was still in the loop many decades ago he made a great documentary called 'Connections'.

Ya he’s mad at Musitano still because he indirectly threatened him back in 1991 while he was making a mob documentary near a Musitano auto shop. What a pussy

[SantoClaus]

Cops are the biggest street gang in the World 🗺.

[Frank]

This article goes into a bit of the backstory on the Musitano brothers for those who don't know. I didn't realize the founding Musitano relative fled to Canada after killing his own sister in an honour killing.

Mob expert James Dubro is quoted in the article. I've spoken to Dubro and he's a mild-mannered guy. He has nothing good to say about Musitano.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/ ... th-warrant

Thanks Ed its nice to read an article of the current Musitano hit. Dubros past interaction with Musitana is interesting. His opinion that it could be Luppino-Violi or young new N'dranghta cells that are responsible for the Musitano hits are interesting. But for him to say that its a death sentence for the Johnny Pops killing is just a guess on his part and anyone who has read the Musitano family background is aware of the Pops murder. Its like it could be or it might not be at this point. It could be one of multiple reasons.

[Adam]

Yeah Dubro definitely seems dismissive. And obviously there are real Ontario OC experts here, but the way Dubro says this in today's article:

“The Musitanos are finished. Period. It’s the end of that vendetta,” Dubro said, adding that Pat’s old crew would have trouble gathering enough guys for a hand of briscola.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/ ... th-warrant

That doesn't quite ring true to me, but I haven't followed Ontario closely.

[Moscone65]

Yeah Dubro definitely seems dismissive. And obviously there are real Ontario OC experts here, but the way Dubro says this in today's article:

“The Musitanos are finished. Period. It’s the end of that vendetta,” Dubro said, adding that Pat’s old crew would have trouble gathering enough guys for a hand of briscola.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/ ... th-warrant

That doesn't quite ring true to me, but I haven't followed Ontario closely.

That is definitely not true. He doesn’t have an army but I know he does have a following. Like a friend told me, ya he had a lot of enemies but you don’t get to live that long without having a few good friends too. There are quite a few people pissed off about what happened to pat. Relatives, bookies and others working for him, friends he had since high school. Whether they avenge his death, let things go, stop doing “business” altogether, or do their thing under someone new, we have to see.