Paul "The Indian" Schiro asking for compassionate release

[Patrickgold]

Not sure who their official rep was. Joe Tocco was out there and Sam English was also in Arizona for a while. He very well could have become the official rep in Arizona but that was only because of Tony Spilotro. Spilotro could have lobbied to have him given that title bc it gave him more power. But after Tony died, so did Schiro’s position in Arizona. You notice basically all of Spilotro’s men were shelved after he was killed. Except Chris Petti. But Petti had connections outside of Spilotro. He was older than Spilotro and was even a driver for Frank Bompensiero at one time I believe. Petti was chosen to basically take over what was left of Spilotro’s operation. he didn’t last long

[Pete]

Not sure who their official rep was. Joe Tocco was out there and Sam English was also in Arizona for a while. He very well could have become the official rep in Arizona but that was only because of Tony Spilotro. Spilotro could have lobbied to have him given that title bc it gave him more power. But after Tony died, so did Schiro’s position in Arizona. You notice basically all of Spilotro’s men were shelved after he was killed. Except Chris Petti. But Petti had connections outside of Spilotro. He was older than Spilotro and was even a driver for Frank Bompensiero at one time I believe. Petti was chosen to basically take over what was left of Spilotro’s operation. he didn’t last long

100% when tony died almost all of them lost their status. Petti was the only one still looked upon as solid as they had the rincon

[Snakes]

Outfit bought up a lot of real estate in Arizona in the late 60s and early 70s. Investment-type stuff; condos, apartments, land, etc. A lot of the top guys were doing it, like Aiuppa, Nicolleti, etc. Pretty smart.

[dixiemafia]

I am laying money on Joe Exotic before Schiro

[Villain]

Not sure who their official rep was. Joe Tocco was out there and Sam English was also in Arizona for a while. He very well could have become the official rep in Arizona but that was only because of Tony Spilotro. Spilotro could have lobbied to have him given that title bc it gave him more power. But after Tony died, so did Schiro’s position in Arizona. You notice basically all of Spilotro’s men were shelved after he was killed. Except Chris Petti. But Petti had connections outside of Spilotro. He was older than Spilotro and was even a driver for Frank Bompensiero at one time I believe. Petti was chosen to basically take over what was left of Spilotro’s operation. he didn’t last long

Almost every crew had its own reps down there.

As Snakes already pointed out, the old Battaglia crew bought a lot of land down there.

Also the English bros, Sam and Joe, and one Lenny Russo, were there during the early 60s and by 1966 returned to Chicago. In 1964 or 65, Tocco arrived with his own crew under the jurisdiction of Francis Curry, Armand D'Andrea and Frank LaPorte.

When Curry died in 1970, his crew was succeeded by Armand D'Andrea who in turn became the top guy in Joliet and Will County. D'Andrea was the oldest of five brothers, including Nick and Mario.

From that point on Armand bought a lot of land, meaning he invested in construction and other investments, such as a carrot farm in Prescott, Arizona, and also buildings and real estate in both Phoenix and Tucson. On top of that, he was also involved in numerous land frauds and some people were killed because of that.

Frank Mancini, also cousin of Armand D'Andrea was a another resident there and was also an auditor for the State Highway Department and he incorporated an entertainers' guild in Arizona with Joe Tocco. Joe DiCaro (no relation to the DiCaro bros from the South Side) was another Chicago Heights member and associate of D'Andrea in that same area, who operated the Golden West Meat Co.

Tocco also belonged to that same crew and Papa Joes was their headquarters, and possibly succeeded D'Andrea after the latter one died during the late 70s or early 80s, i dont really remember, since Romano reported that he worked for Tocco.

As for Schiro, we must not forget that he arrived from Chicago and he and Spilotro went all the way back to the early 60s and so by the late 60s they both arrived in AZ as Chicago reps from a different crew (Tony constantly went back and forth). By 1971 Tony was in Vegas, while Schiro remained in AZ as their rep and controlled his own crew that was involved in burglary and drug trafficking. He was also involved with NY mobsters in the control of an extensive network of massage parlors.

Dont get me wrong but if someone says that Schiro wasnt a Chicago rep down there (not speaking about you), is the same as saying that Lefty wasnt one of Chicagos fellas in Vegas and that he was only Spilotros guy. Lefty and Tony knew each other since kids but Lefty first started under Yaras and later switched to Les Kruse's group and in the end he was with Grand Av or whoever had jurisdiction over him.

So Schiro maybe wasnt the main rep or there wasnt a main rep at all, maybe it was open territory, but he was surely one of the Outfits guys down there.

I remember Cullotta once saying something like...no matter how much you try to stay independent from these guys, by the end of the day they still own you

[Pete]

Not sure who their official rep was. Joe Tocco was out there and Sam English was also in Arizona for a while. He very well could have become the official rep in Arizona but that was only because of Tony Spilotro. Spilotro could have lobbied to have him given that title bc it gave him more power. But after Tony died, so did Schiro’s position in Arizona. You notice basically all of Spilotro’s men were shelved after he was killed. Except Chris Petti. But Petti had connections outside of Spilotro. He was older than Spilotro and was even a driver for Frank Bompensiero at one time I believe. Petti was chosen to basically take over what was left of Spilotro’s operation. he didn’t last long

Almost every crew had its own reps down there.

As Snakes already pointed out, the old Battaglia crew bought a lot of land down there.

Also the English bros, Sam and Joe, and one Lenny Russo, were there during the early 60s and by 1966 returned to Chicago. In 1964 or 65, Tocco arrived with his own crew under the jurisdiction of Francis Curry, Armand D'Andrea and Frank LaPorte.

When Curry died in 1970, his crew was succeeded by Armand D'Andrea who in turn became the top guy in Joliet and Will County. D'Andrea was the oldest of five brothers, including Nick and Mario.

From that point on Armand bought a lot of land, meaning he invested in construction and other investments, such as a carrot farm in Prescott, Arizona, and also buildings and real estate in both Phoenix and Tucson. On top of that, he was also involved in numerous land frauds and some people were killed because of that.

Frank Mancini, also cousin of Armand D'Andrea was a another resident there and was also an auditor for the State Highway Department and he incorporated an entertainers' guild in Arizona with Joe Tocco. Joe DiCaro (no relation to the DiCaro bros from the South Side) was another Chicago Heights member and associate of D'Andrea in that same area, who operated the Golden West Meat Co.

Tocco also belonged to that same crew and Papa Joes was their headquarters, and possibly succeeded D'Andrea after the latter one died during the late 70s or early 80s, i dont really remember, since Romano reported that he worked for Tocco.

As for Schiro, we must not forget that he arrived from Chicago and he and Spilotro went all the way back to the early 60s and so by the late 60s they both arrived in AZ as Chicago reps from a different crew (Tony constantly went back and forth). By 1971 Tony was in Vegas, while Schiro remained in AZ as their rep and controlled his own crew that was involved in burglary and drug trafficking. He was also involved with NY mobsters in the control of an extensive network of massage parlors.

Dont get me wrong but if someone says that Schiro wasnt a Chicago rep down there (not speaking about you), is the same as saying that Lefty wasnt one of Chicagos fellas in Vegas and that he was only Spilotros guy. Lefty and Tony knew each other since kids but Lefty first started under Yaras and later switched to Les Kruse's group and in the end he was with Grand Av or whoever had jurisdiction over him.

So Schiro maybe wasnt the main rep or there wasnt a main rep at all, maybe it was open territory, but he was surely one of the Outfits guys down there.

I remember Cullotta once saying something like...no matter how much you try to stay independent from these guys, by the end of the day they still own you

Agreed with most of what you said. I don’t believe schiro and Tony were different crews. Seems like tony controlled him and Hansen in la and petti in sd. These guys did whatever spilotro said in my opinion

[Villain]

Not sure who their official rep was. Joe Tocco was out there and Sam English was also in Arizona for a while. He very well could have become the official rep in Arizona but that was only because of Tony Spilotro. Spilotro could have lobbied to have him given that title bc it gave him more power. But after Tony died, so did Schiro’s position in Arizona. You notice basically all of Spilotro’s men were shelved after he was killed. Except Chris Petti. But Petti had connections outside of Spilotro. He was older than Spilotro and was even a driver for Frank Bompensiero at one time I believe. Petti was chosen to basically take over what was left of Spilotro’s operation. he didn’t last long

Almost every crew had its own reps down there.

As Snakes already pointed out, the old Battaglia crew bought a lot of land down there.

Also the English bros, Sam and Joe, and one Lenny Russo, were there during the early 60s and by 1966 returned to Chicago. In 1964 or 65, Tocco arrived with his own crew under the jurisdiction of Francis Curry, Armand D'Andrea and Frank LaPorte.

When Curry died in 1970, his crew was succeeded by Armand D'Andrea who in turn became the top guy in Joliet and Will County. D'Andrea was the oldest of five brothers, including Nick and Mario.

From that point on Armand bought a lot of land, meaning he invested in construction and other investments, such as a carrot farm in Prescott, Arizona, and also buildings and real estate in both Phoenix and Tucson. On top of that, he was also involved in numerous land frauds and some people were killed because of that.

Frank Mancini, also cousin of Armand D'Andrea was a another resident there and was also an auditor for the State Highway Department and he incorporated an entertainers' guild in Arizona with Joe Tocco. Joe DiCaro (no relation to the DiCaro bros from the South Side) was another Chicago Heights member and associate of D'Andrea in that same area, who operated the Golden West Meat Co.

Tocco also belonged to that same crew and Papa Joes was their headquarters, and possibly succeeded D'Andrea after the latter one died during the late 70s or early 80s, i dont really remember, since Romano reported that he worked for Tocco.

As for Schiro, we must not forget that he arrived from Chicago and he and Spilotro went all the way back to the early 60s and so by the late 60s they both arrived in AZ as Chicago reps from a different crew (Tony constantly went back and forth). By 1971 Tony was in Vegas, while Schiro remained in AZ as their rep and controlled his own crew that was involved in burglary and drug trafficking. He was also involved with NY mobsters in the control of an extensive network of massage parlors.

Dont get me wrong but if someone says that Schiro wasnt a Chicago rep down there (not speaking about you), is the same as saying that Lefty wasnt one of Chicagos fellas in Vegas and that he was only Spilotros guy. Lefty and Tony knew each other since kids but Lefty first started under Yaras and later switched to Les Kruse's group and in the end he was with Grand Av or whoever had jurisdiction over him.

So Schiro maybe wasnt the main rep or there wasnt a main rep at all, maybe it was open territory, but he was surely one of the Outfits guys down there.

I remember Cullotta once saying something like...no matter how much you try to stay independent from these guys, by the end of the day they still own you

Agreed with most of what you said. I don’t believe schiro and Tony were different crews. Seems like tony controlled him and Hansen in la and petti in sd. These guys did whatever spilotro said in my opinion

I completely agree with you bud and I only used Lefty as an example who switched to different crews. Tony controlled and was also connected to many groups in and out of Chicago, something which gave him the power to be above some of the made guys back home.

[Villain]

Speaking about AZ, according to the feds, during the 60s and early 70s, the main dope smuggling route extended along the Arizona-Mexico border and was mainly controlled by members of Cosa Nostra in alliance with some of the Mexican criminal factions. Even though there were thousands of unaffiliated smugglers in the trade, still according to the feds, there were actually 23 major smuggling rings which operated through the corridor and five of those were wholly or partially controlled by Cosa Nostra crime families from New York City, such as the Gambinos and Bonannos, followed by Tampa, Detroit and Chicago.

[Ivan]

Was Schiro involved in the Jay Vandermark hit? If I remember correctly it came out in Family Secrets that Vandermark was killed in Arizona.

(He wasn't hunted down and killed in Latin America like the FBI speculated, which ended up in Casino but apparently was an incorrect theory.)

[Pete]

Was Schiro involved in the Jay Vandermark hit? If I remember correctly it came out in Family Secrets that Vandermark was killed in Arizona.

(He wasn't hunted down and killed in Latin America like the FBI speculated, which ended up in Casino but apparently was an incorrect theory.)

The vandermark thing was Jimmy lapietra and someone else damn I can’t remember right now give me a little bit

[Pete]

John fecarotta and Jimmy lapietra I looked it up. That’s why vaci was killed because he has info on the vandermark hit

[TallGuy19]

Good luck trying to get that. The feds really seem to have a hard-on for the Outfit guys. Just look at how they have Marcello locked up in ADMAX like he's a freakin terrorist.

Why is Marcello in ADMAX? With the 9/11 conspirators?

I have no idea why, but Lombardo actually died there. For whatever reason the government really seems to hate Outfit guys that much more.

It's probably because of the vast political corruption that the Outfit created in Chicago. The government hates it when outsiders benefit from their corrupt system.

[Confederate]

Good luck trying to get that. The feds really seem to have a hard-on for the Outfit guys. Just look at how they have Marcello locked up in ADMAX like he's a freakin terrorist.

Why is Marcello in ADMAX? With the 9/11 conspirators?

I have no idea why, but Lombardo actually died there. For whatever reason the government really seems to hate Outfit guys that much more.

It's probably because of the vast political corruption that the Outfit created in Chicago. The government hates it when outsiders benefit from their corrupt system.

I think the political corruption in Chicago was already in place BEFORE the Outfit. They just took it to a higher level when they were in power. lol

[Hired_Goonz]

Good luck trying to get that. The feds really seem to have a hard-on for the Outfit guys. Just look at how they have Marcello locked up in ADMAX like he's a freakin terrorist.

Why is Marcello in ADMAX? With the 9/11 conspirators?

I have no idea why, but Lombardo actually died there. For whatever reason the government really seems to hate Outfit guys that much more.

It's probably because of the vast political corruption that the Outfit created in Chicago. The government hates it when outsiders benefit from their corrupt system.

Actually a guy in this thread gave an answer that seems on the money, he suggested that both guys had become a pain in the ass for the BOP so this was the system's way of paying them back.

[Tonyd621]

Schiro was not really the Outfit’s guy in Arizona. He was Spilotro’s guy in Arizona. He did a lot of hits and burglaries for Spilotro and it made him a very feared man. Him and Hansen killed those four guys in Park Ridge on behalf of Spilotro. The thing about it is, after Spilotro was killed, Schiro withdrew from the Outfit. He was loyal to Spilotro, his childhood friend, not the Outfit. He actually went into hiding for all of 1987. Nobody knew where he was. He told Schweihs and Hansen he was done with the Outfit before that. He was definitely doing burglaries and heist throughout the 90s and eventually got caught with Hanhardt. That was an Outfit run operation with a percentage going to the top but Schiro was more of an independent. I hope he gets out. One of the last of the guys from the Spilotro crew that is still around. He beat the murder case but the judge stuck it to him anyway.

The same could be said about Joey Hansen. After, Spilotro was killed he withdrew from the Outfit. Blitzstein too. Spilotro had a tough crew. One wonders where the Outfit would be if he didn’t get killed and was able to beat the indictments. He had a lot of loyal workers for him. He definitely would have been boss.

Some great points there.