Michael Marcello of Chicago Indicted Today

[FriendofFamily]

I think it is an evolution (and attrition) of the Outfit. The General Business from the Outfit LCN Era (40's-90's) and the General Corruption and sophistication along with the Grey areas of Legitimate Business has made it evolve into something quite different. I am probably trying to summarize a lot of information without elaborating enough about certain areas in which I draw my conclusions.

[Wiseguy]

These days everyone is afraid of RICO. The way to manage this fear is to avoid the appearance of an organization. Are they doing a good job or just dying out? I know for a fact there are still guys on the street, grey market businesses, Unions and the city council/Illinois Government. The real question, for some, is can you still consider them a cosa nostra organization? Maybe not. I don't care about that, but am more interested in how organized crime (not just mafia) exert influence on government and the history thereof.

You addressed the very thing that's often confused people regarding the Outfit, i.e. drawing a distinction between the Outfit and the greater culture of corruption in Chicago that it revolves around. In the past, many have assumed them to be the same thing.

To answer your question, by definition there needs to be a core group of made guys for it to still be considered an LCN family. Once the 20 or so remaining members die off, while there may still be the things you described above, the Outfit will be gone.

Actually, you don't even need the 20 or so remaining members to all die before there is no Outfit anymore. As you well know, there can be SOME remaining members alive BUT no more Organization. Just a few leftovers doing some things on their own with no Hierarchy.

Very true.

[Confederate]

I think it is an evolution (and attrition) of the Outfit. The General Business from the Outfit LCN Era (40's-90's) and the General Corruption and sophistication along with the Grey areas of Legitimate Business has made it evolve into something quite different. I am probably trying to summarize a lot of information without elaborating enough about certain areas in which I draw my conclusions.

I agree with you about the attrition. The Outfit is a huge liability. Only a delusional idiot would want to belong to a dying Organization which will only produce a jail sentence. The Outfit has actually DIGRESSED, not evolved, because of RICO, Informants, attrition & sophisticated Law Enforcement.
The ONLY people who have benefitted are some of the younger relatives of former Outfit guys who have legitimate businesses and are not part of or don't need the Outfit anymore IMO.
Nobody can trust anyone anymore. When there is no repercussion for blatant violations of the rules, then all bets are off. It would be no different than anything else in life. All Organizations have rules for order & control. When no one enforces the rules because the leaders have backed away for fear of going to Jail & distrust of others in the Organization, then it simply dies a slow death. Corruption & the Outfit are not synonymous. Two seperate issues.

[Villain]

Dont forget that back in the days the Outfit had its own special crew of made guys infiltrated in every political ward around the city from the days of prohibition probably until the late 80s...no other crime family ever achieved that and they probably still have many connections which are the answer for their present succesful legit businesses...so i truly believe in the evolution theory which was mentioned by FriendofFamily but lets not get all hot headed about it since time will tell for sure...by now we still have few cases floating around which are enough to raise at least few questions, not conclusions like the Outfit is completely dead or still active or stuff like that

[Confederate]

Dont forget that back in the days the Outfit had its own and special crew of made guys infiltrated in every ward around the city...no other crime family ever achieved that...so i truly believe in the evolution theory which was mentioned by FriendofFamily but lets not get all hot headed about it since time will tell for sure...by now we still have few cases floating around which are enough to raise at least few questions, not conclusions like the Outfit is completely dead or stuff like that

The "Corruption" squad of the old days with Murray Humphreys, Gul Alex, Pat Marcy, etc. was truly powerful & unique. However, those days are long gone. The Outfit will cease to exist as an Organization with a "caring" hierarchy before 2030 IMO. But, like you said, time will tell.

[Ivan]

Guys quit talking shit about today's Outfit, you might offend Albert "The 'Albie the Falcon' Falcon" Vena (the most dangerous man in Chicago).

[Villain]

Dont forget that back in the days the Outfit had its own and special crew of made guys infiltrated in every ward around the city...no other crime family ever achieved that...so i truly believe in the evolution theory which was mentioned by FriendofFamily but lets not get all hot headed about it since time will tell for sure...by now we still have few cases floating around which are enough to raise at least few questions, not conclusions like the Outfit is completely dead or stuff like that

The "Corruption" squad of the old days with Murray Humphreys, Gul Alex, Pat Marcy, etc. was truly powerful & unique. However, those days are long gone. The Outfit will cease to exist as an Organization with a "caring" hierarchy before 2030 IMO. But, like you said, time will tell.

If we talk about Chicago, then you can consider guys like Guzik or Humphreys the younger generation of corruptors lol and yeah i agree that those days are long gone but i wonder how Daddono Jr received all of those lucrative deals by 2011 or until he closed shop, and this was like 9 years ago...later his name again popped up with a different firm in 2014...and thats like 6 years ago lol so maybe yeah theres no more real organization as the old Outfit but i believe some of these guys are still out there

[Confederate]

Guys quit talking shit about today's Outfit, you might offend Albert "The 'Albie the Falcon' Falcon" Vena (the most dangerous man in Chicago).

He's probably hiding out somewhere hoping not to be convicted for something he did a long time ago (like what happened to Lombardo).

[Confederate]

Dont forget that back in the days the Outfit had its own and special crew of made guys infiltrated in every ward around the city...no other crime family ever achieved that...so i truly believe in the evolution theory which was mentioned by FriendofFamily but lets not get all hot headed about it since time will tell for sure...by now we still have few cases floating around which are enough to raise at least few questions, not conclusions like the Outfit is completely dead or stuff like that

The "Corruption" squad of the old days with Murray Humphreys, Gul Alex, Pat Marcy, etc. was truly powerful & unique. However, those days are long gone. The Outfit will cease to exist as an Organization with a "caring" hierarchy before 2030 IMO. But, like you said, time will tell.

If we talk about Chicago, then you can consider guys like Guzik or Humphreys the younger generation of corruptors lol and yeah i agree that those days are long gone but i wonder how Daddono Jr received all of those lucrative deals by 2011 or until he closed shop, and this was like 9 years ago...later his name again popped up with a different firm in 2014...and thats like 6 years ago lol so maybe yeah theres no more real organization as the old Outfit but i believe some of these guys are still out there

Is Daddono Jr. really a made guy or just one of those relatives who is "benefitting" from the late Willie Daddono Sr., independent of whatever is left of the Outfit? Seems to me that would be the real question concerning him.

[Ivan]

Guys quit talking shit about today's Outfit, you might offend Albert "The 'Albie the Falcon' Falcon" Vena (the most dangerous man in Chicago).

He's probably hiding out somewhere hoping not to be convicted for something he did a long time ago (like what happened to Lombardo).

there's probably some 26 year old fed drafting a case against Vena for something Vena did in like 1972

[Villain]

Dont forget that back in the days the Outfit had its own and special crew of made guys infiltrated in every ward around the city...no other crime family ever achieved that...so i truly believe in the evolution theory which was mentioned by FriendofFamily but lets not get all hot headed about it since time will tell for sure...by now we still have few cases floating around which are enough to raise at least few questions, not conclusions like the Outfit is completely dead or stuff like that

The "Corruption" squad of the old days with Murray Humphreys, Gul Alex, Pat Marcy, etc. was truly powerful & unique. However, those days are long gone. The Outfit will cease to exist as an Organization with a "caring" hierarchy before 2030 IMO. But, like you said, time will tell.

If we talk about Chicago, then you can consider guys like Guzik or Humphreys the younger generation of corruptors lol and yeah i agree that those days are long gone but i wonder how Daddono Jr received all of those lucrative deals by 2011 or until he closed shop, and this was like 9 years ago...later his name again popped up with a different firm in 2014...and thats like 6 years ago lol so maybe yeah theres no more real organization as the old Outfit but i believe some of these guys are still out there

Is Daddono Jr. really a made guy or just one of those relatives who is "benefitting" from the late Willie Daddono Sr., independent of whatever is left of the Outfit? Seems to me that would be the real question concerning him.

Im not quite sure if the feds ever labeled him as made but he was all around the newspapers since the 1950s and in 2004 Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan described Junior as "reputed member of organized crime.", meaning he was at least an associate and we all know or at least heard about the famous "associate" status within the Outfit

This is from 1959...

[Moscone65]

Guys quit talking shit about today's Outfit, you might offend Albert "The 'Albie the Falcon' Falcon" Vena (the most dangerous man in Chicago).

I bet you’d quake and quiver in your ballerina shoes if you found out he was behind you when you said that...

[Villain]

Guys quit talking shit about today's Outfit, you might offend Albert "The 'Albie the Falcon' Falcon" Vena (the most dangerous man in Chicago).

I bet you’d quake and quiver in your ballerina shoes if you found out he was behind you when you said that...

[Ivan]

Guys quit talking shit about today's Outfit, you might offend Albert "The 'Albie the Falcon' Falcon" Vena (the most dangerous man in Chicago).

I bet you’d quake and quiver in your ballerina shoes if you found out he was behind you when you said that...

Oh for sure. I'm well aware of the fact that I'm just a clown on the internet and if I actually met the man somehow I'd be nothing but polite and respectful. I was mocking Outfit fanboys, not serious Outfit guys themselves.

That doesn't change the fact that the Outfit is on its last legs though.

[Pogo The Clown]

The guy is 71 so it's not like he is going to whip you. And he won't take out a gun and shot a civilian. Nor do you have to fear any retaliation from what's left of the Outfit. They don't even do anything about informants living out in the open anymore. Vena and the remaining geezers in Chicongo are relatively toothless.


Pogo