Most Questionable Makings

[Bklyn21]

Right.

Maybe as a favor to his brother who ended up eating 50 and not flipping. Or maybe because they liked him.

I think a lot of the meritless makings stem from them just liking a guy. It's a very high school or frat atmosphere and someone who is popular can get skipped ahead of someone qualified.

Today, Some of the guys they make are ridiculous and should not be in the life at all . But , It's all about control usually . If they can't control a guy it doesn't matter how tough or stand up they are , Plenty of guys don't get made for that reason , If they think a guy can gain considerable power and influence and eventually leap frog them they won't even bother proposing him , There's a big fear factor with that reason alone among others .

THAT is the number #1 smartest and most pertinent single thing I’ve ever heard said on this forum...from any poster. bravo!!!
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And you are not 100%.... but 1000% correct! So correct, that I have to highly commend you again. Very, very on point!
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It’s ALWAYS been that way to some degree, especially with particular guys and crews. But even more so today.
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You could be a star! Great “earner”. A “shooter”.... or both. And loyal as a mother - - - ker! But if they think that you have an independent streak, or that you’re TOO intelligent, they become paranoid, jealous, envious, etc.
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MANY MANY solid guys that have been in this life have NOT gotten straightened out for that very reason.
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Bosses don’t want guys who they think “out shine” them! It takes a guy who has real confidence in himself and his inherent abilities to propose a “Star”. Most are intimidated.
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Thanks for the good word Maxie ! I'm glad we're on good terms again Thanks Bud !! The site is great , You guys are no joke , I'm blown away by the amount of info etc. You got up in literally what ? A week ? Unreal !! Thanks

[maxiestern11]

Right.

Maybe as a favor to his brother who ended up eating 50 and not flipping. Or maybe because they liked him.

I think a lot of the meritless makings stem from them just liking a guy. It's a very high school or frat atmosphere and someone who is popular can get skipped ahead of someone qualified.

Today, Some of the guys they make are ridiculous and should not be in the life at all . But , It's all about control usually . If they can't control a guy it doesn't matter how tough or stand up they are , Plenty of guys don't get made for that reason , If they think a guy can gain considerable power and influence and eventually leap frog them they won't even bother proposing him , There's a big fear factor with that reason alone among others .

THAT is the number #1 smartest and most pertinent single thing I’ve ever heard said on this forum...from any poster. bravo!!!
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And you are not 100%.... but 1000% correct! So correct, that I have to highly commend you again. Very, very on point!
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It’s ALWAYS been that way to some degree, especially with particular guys and crews. But even more so today.
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You could be a star! Great “earner”. A “shooter”.... or both. And loyal as a mother - - - ker! But if they think that you have an independent streak, or that you’re TOO intelligent, they become paranoid, jealous, envious, etc.
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MANY MANY solid guys that have been in this life have NOT gotten straightened out for that very reason.
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Bosses don’t want guys who they think “out shine” them! It takes a guy who has real confidence in himself and his inherent abilities to propose a “Star”. Most are intimidated.
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Thanks for the good word Maxie ! I'm glad we're on good terms again Thanks Bud !! The site is great , You guys are no joke , I'm blown away by the amount of info etc. You got up in literally what ? A week ? Unreal !! Thanks

Thank you very much for that compliment pal. It’s nice to hear. A lot of guys don’t/won’t give a compliment to us no matter how great our site is, or no matter how much important and interesting info we submit to it (again, just like the street because of; jealous, green with envy, etc). So that’s greatly appreciated from you!
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.... and as far as my compliment to you, what can I say? I call em as I see em! And you called it just like it is!

It tells me that you either have an innate sense of things, or you have some street savvy (or both). Because even knockaround guys in the streets for years miss that one. And it’s a BIG one. I’ve personally seen many guys, solid solid guys. Ballsy, smart, big earners, tough guys, loyal as hell..... they are LOVED! .... and HATED at the same time! SOOOO valuable to a crew. But so feared and/or envied for the ability to “shine”!
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Many a good man, got passed over because of that. In fact many made guys couldn’t kiss the ass of many top associates for that very reason. Yet they got there and the others didn’t because half of them were robots, and couldn’t think on their own. Push a button and they go! .... push a button, and they stop! Robots, and zero’s!.... hence the term “button guys” right?
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Don’t get me wrong..... there’s been many many very solid guys who got their badge who more than deserved it and were earners/shooters...... stars!!!
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But there were just as many that were empty suits.... zero’s in my book. And the book of many others too.
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So again, you brought out a GREAT point. And it shows you know your stuff and have payed attention over the years!

[gohnjotti]

Colombos often have some people where you wonder besides being Italian and down to be around what else they bring to the table.

Then again they'll never die cause they'll just make ten guys in a pinch.

Actually, agree to disagree. Other than a few scattered examples, there is actually quite a large backlog of people who should've been made years ago. The Colombos, from what I can tell, make approximately 5 guys every two years. Some guys have been waiting since the 1990s to be made, and some people carried weight in the family even when they were only associates; Francis Guerra, Reynold Maragni, Angelo Spata, John Cerbone, etc.
In fact, Jerry Ciauri was proposed for membership back in 1991 by his stepfather Robert Zambardi, and wouldn't be inducted until 2013.

[Targenmantarian]

I think it depends when the candidates get put up. A lot of people got in during the war or after. But many others got put off for the same reasons. It's kinda feast or famine.

The true replenish ers are the Bonnanos. If they get decimated they'll just make as many guys as they need to get back to where they were. Hence some really high estimates of strength over the years. And some guys like Spirito Jr.

[Bklyn21]

I'm assuming Capello wasn't like a high functioning coke head but more just like a dude in the 90s feverishly smoking crack is what you meant.

I know Mancuso made a guy to literally give him messages.

And Angelina, Ligambis brother, and a few other of those guys have very little to offer other than loyalty.

That was Mancuso's nephew , He was indicted I think last year with members of a Gambinos crew out in LI that was being run by Joey Ambrosino or Ambrocelli I forget his name . He was busted for I think loansharking, Gambling ? His major offense I know was drug trafficking, Cocaine . I think he pled out to 8 or 9 years . It was a lil weird that he was operating almost exclusively with Gambinos even though he was a Bonanno

[Bklyn21]

Anyone named Gotti besides John and Gene.

If John doesn't go away for life he probably makes every male with the Gotti name who is even partially involved in the life ...lol...Today they'd probably have 2 full crews with everyone named Gotti lol

[Pogo The Clown]

Gambino member Robert Mormando. Not only did he flip but he later admitted to being a faggot. Had to be embarrassing for the Gambinos when that got out.


Pogo

[Bklyn21]

Gambino member Robert Mormando. Not only did he flip but he later admitted to being a faggot. Had to be embarrassing for the Gambinos when that got out.


Pogo

That was pretty funny when he ratted , Renounced his former life with his husband by his side...lol...

[johnny_scootch]

The grandson will probably get his button in the Bonnanos when he comes home.

Cmonnn all he did was set a car on fire and got caught doing it!

Add that stupidity to his name and the fact that his uncles would never allow the Bonannos to do it you end up with a nothing burger.

[slimshady_007]

Right.

Maybe as a favor to his brother who ended up eating 50 and not flipping. Or maybe because they liked him.

I think a lot of the meritless makings stem from them just liking a guy. It's a very high school or frat atmosphere and someone who is popular can get skipped ahead of someone qualified.

Today, Some of the guys they make are ridiculous and should not be in the life at all . But , It's all about control usually . If they can't control a guy it doesn't matter how tough or stand up they are , Plenty of guys don't get made for that reason , If they think a guy can gain considerable power and influence and eventually leap frog them they won't even bother proposing him , There's a big fear factor with that reason alone among others .

THAT is the number #1 smartest and most pertinent single thing I’ve ever heard said on this forum...from any poster. bravo!!!
-
And you are not 100%.... but 1000% correct! So correct, that I have to highly commend you again. Very, very on point!
-
It’s ALWAYS been that way to some degree, especially with particular guys and crews. But even more so today.
-
You could be a star! Great “earner”. A “shooter”.... or both. And loyal as a mother - - - ker! But if they think that you have an independent streak, or that you’re TOO intelligent, they become paranoid, jealous, envious, etc.
-
MANY MANY solid guys that have been in this life have NOT gotten straightened out for that very reason.
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Bosses don’t want guys who they think “out shine” them! It takes a guy who has real confidence in himself and his inherent abilities to propose a “Star”. Most are intimidated.
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The mob wants guys who are loyal and will benefit the organization. Hotheads are usually either chased or murdered.

[bert]

Going back over the years their have been good, qualified, and smart guys who did NOT want to be made. They liked independence, and as the years went by the attention it rang had a lot of guys turning it down, and even more so over the past 40 years, just plain avoiding getting too close to any one made guy. So that cause openings for less qualified types.

[Targenmantarian]

The grandson will probably get his button in the Bonnanos when he comes home.

Cmonnn all he did was set a car on fire and got caught doing it!

Add that stupidity to his name and the fact that his uncles would never allow the Bonannos to do it you end up with a nothing burger.

I highly doubt that his Uncles have any control over his life at all. Or he wouldn't have been getting eight years for running under Asaro Sr. Anyways.

[maxiestern11]

Going back over the years their have been good, qualified, and smart guys who did NOT want to be made. They liked independence, and as the years went by the attention it rang had a lot of guys turning it down, and even more so over the past 40 years, just plain avoiding getting too close to any one made guy. So that cause openings for less qualified types.

Another very good observation. And very true.
A perfect example was Jimmy Nap, who turned down invitations to join several times. By 1980 Chin had pushed it on him so he accepted (at age 65 or so I might add). Worst move he ever made! All his heavy troubles came afterwards.... he should have stayed as an “associate”. He was like a good fella anyway without the tie-in and obligation that comes with the “button”.

[johnny_scootch]

I highly doubt that his Uncles have any control over his life at all. Or he wouldn't have been getting eight years for running under Asaro Sr. Anyways.

He wasn’t ‘running under’ Asaro and his uncles have all the say in the world when it comes to their nephew getting straightened out or not. It’s crazy that you even jump to that conclusion honestly. The kid helps his friend burn a car for Vinny asaro and suddenly he’s getting his button.

[maxiestern11]

I highly doubt that his Uncles have any control over his life at all. Or he wouldn't have been getting eight years for running under Asaro Sr. Anyways.

He wasn’t ‘running under’ Asaro and his uncles have all the say in the world when it comes to their nephew getting straightened out or not. It’s crazy that you even jump to that conclusion honestly. The kid helps his friend burn a car for Vinny asaro and suddenly he’s getting his button.

... exactly