FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:43 am
Who were the other 5 Guys? He says the other 5 are dead. Any IDEAS?
The other 5 were Vincent "Jimmy" Angelino, Salvatore "Big Sal" Miciotta, Joseph Peraino Jr, Vito Guzzo and John Minerva.
Peraino was killed in 1982. Guzzo was killed in 1987. Angellino was killed in 1988. Minerva was killed in 1992. Miciotta flipped in 1993.
Pogo
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FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:43 am
Who were the other 5 Guys? He says the other 5 are dead. Any IDEAS?
The other 5 were Vincent "Jimmy" Angelino, Salvatore "Big Sal" Miciotta, Joseph Peraino Jr, Vito Guzzo and John Minerva.
Peraino was killed in 1982. Guzzo was killed in 1987. Angellino was killed in 1988. Minerva was killed in 1992. Miciotta flipped in 1993.
Pogo
Hey Pogo you almost had it perfect. According to Michael Franzese he said to me that Miciotta was not inducted with him. So I asked him who the other Guy was and I am waiting for an answer back.
Didn't Franzese name Miciotta in his book? I haven't read it but I believe that is where the info comes from. If some one has the book perhpaes they can check it for us.
Pogo
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Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:36 am
Didn't Franzese name Miciotta in his book? I haven't read it but I believe that is where the info comes from. If some one has the book perhaps they can check it for us.
Pogo
Even if he would be quoting it in the Book some time ago, I would take his word Now on that Miciotta was NOT inducted that night as he seems sure of it. So I think what needs to happen is for the Researchers to start looking at other people who were made and are also currently dead because he says that the other 5 are all dead and he is the only one alive of those inducted that night.
Someone has to have the book. If so can you please check to see who he names. Thanks.
Pogo
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I think these were the 5 named but I could be wrong as I don't have the book with me: Vincent Angelina, Joseph DeDomenico, Thomas Ocera, Joseph Peraino Jr, "Fat Tony" (Anthony Regina?)
Snakes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:46 am
I think these were the 5 named but I could be wrong as I don't have the book with me: Vincent Angelina, Joseph DeDomenico, Thomas Ocera, Joseph Peraino Jr, "Fat Tony" (Anthony Regina?)
Since Vincent "Jimmy" Angelina and Joseph Peraino Jr. were already named. That would leave the other three as possibilities as a name replacement for Miciotta: Now are any of the other three that you mentioned DEAD?
Obviously we will have to see who is named in the Book. Oh Research Committee.....
Snakes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:46 am
I think these were the 5 named but I could be wrong as I don't have the book with me: Vincent Angelina, Joseph DeDomenico, Thomas Ocera, Joseph Peraino Jr, "Fat Tony" (Anthony Regina?)
Since Vincent "Jimmy" Angelina and Joseph Peraino Jr. were already named. That would leave the other three as possibilities as a name replacement for Miciotta: Now are any of the other three that you mentioned DEAD?
Obviously we will have to see who is named in the Book. Oh Research Committee.....
Yes:
DeDomenico was killed in 1987
Ocera was killed in 1989
Regina was killed in 1983
I'm 100% sure I've seen a mary ferrell document that listed who was made with Franzese directly sourced from Franzese himself. I know it listed Vito Guzzo and I'm sure there was another guy named Michael as well. I've tried searching MaryFerrell but I've used up my free searches before I could find it.
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Here it is. He does name Sal Miciotta as well as Minerva, Angellina, Guzzo and Jerry Clemenza. Miciotta's debriefings alsonames Periano Jr as being inducted in this ceremony as well. Thanks to JD for this info and link.
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:36 pm
Here it is. He does name Sal Miciotta as well as Minerva, Angellina, Guzzo and Jerry Clemenza. Miciotta's debriefings alsonames Periano Jr as being inducted in this ceremony as well. Thanks to JD for this info and link.
That is very interesting. So I wonder if Michael is now saying that Jerry Clemenza was the other guy that he is thinking of and why he told me that Sal Miciotta was not inducted but that he flipped. BTW Michael Franzese still spells Miciotta like this "Misciotta". Maybe that is what he was told or that is more in the pronunciation of his name. I have to see what he says about this document if I get an answer back.
Maybe he is trying to distance himself from Mciotta since Miciotta implicated him in a murder. Contradicting Franzeses claims that he never took part in one.
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:18 pm
Maybe he is trying to distance himself from Mciotta since Miciotta implicated him in a murder. Contradicting Franzeses claims that he never took part in one.
That's the unfortunate thing about informants and witnesses. Aside from honest mistakes (like his insistence on 1975 being the year of induction) and some of the more ridiculous lies some guys have told to make themselves more important/knowledgeable/etc., they will occasionally change details or otherwise tell relatively unimportant lies over personal issues.
Franzese certainly doesn't want to admit to participating in any murders, but he at least unconsciously wants everyone to believe he has. Everytime he gets asked about it he always comes out with something like, 'You know, when you're a part of that life you see a lot of violence...', or some other non-answer.
'You don't go crucifying people outside a church; not on Good Friday.'
