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Pogo The Clown wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:46 amPhilip “Fat Philly” Dioguardi
This guy is sort of a mystery.

In his book, Kenji described him a "another made guy from New York in Jimmy's (Caci) crew."

In a 2017 blog post, he said

Philip Dioguardi, also known as “Fat Philly,” was a man I knew from Palm Springs, California. He used to be with Jimmy Caci, a capo in the Los Angeles family. He was involved with Jimmy and the guys so we used to see him a lot at the club on Palm Canyon Drive. He was a long time friend of the Colombo brothers and Gerard Clemenza.

One day I was with Jimmy at a bagel place in downtown Palm Springs and Fat Philly came to sit down with us. Vince Lupo ended up at the table too. Philly explained that he was going to move to Queens.

Fat Philly became part of the Colombo brothers crew. He was called a “bagman” by the prosecutors in the case. Fat Philly would pick up cash in Manhattan and bring it to Anthony Colombo’s home. The problem was the organised crime squad was watching and listening to the crew.

They all ended up being charged with racketeering in the Southern District Federal Court.



Was Dioguardi made into the LA family or was a he a Colombo guy floating back and forth?
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Pogo The Clown wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:46 am
aleksandrored wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:17 am Who would be the 5 guys remaining in Los Angeles?

Louis "Little Man" Caruso
Philip “Fat Philly” Dioguardi
Michael "Porno Mike" Esposito
Tommaso "Tommy" Gambino
Russell "Rusty" Massetta (Dead?)
Rocco "Rocky Bigfoot" Zangari (Dead?)


Here is what I have for the other families (including the strong possiblities).


Genovese: 139-141 (closer to but less than 200)

Gambino: 143-151 (It was closer to but less than 200 but they have lost almost 20 members in the last 3 years)

Bonanno: 133-139

Lucchese: 107-112

Colombo: 73-81 (so closer to 100)

Philly: 43 (so closer to 50)

New Jersey: 34-37 (so in the 40s)

New England: 25-34 (likely in the 30s)

Chicago: 19? (Some dispute on who is confirmed and who isn’t. Snakes and Antiliar would be the guys to ask. But the number is almot surely in the teens by now)

Buffalo: 11-15 (likely closer to 11)

Rochester: 6 or 7


Wiseguy listed the rest.


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Whos the 11 for Buffalo?
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Newyorkempire wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:11 pmWhos the 11 for Buffalo?
1. Salvatore Agro/94
2. Joseph Albano/75
3. Pasquale Brindisi/80
4. Natale Luppino/81 (Hamilton)
5. Rocco Luppino/84 (Hamilton)
6. Louis Manzo/91
7. Robert Panaro/80
8. Donald Panepinto/80
9. Joseph Pieri/77
10. Victor Sansanese/76
11. Joseph Todaro Jr./77
12. Domenico Violi/56 (Hamilton)
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Not sure the Brindisi is Pasquale. It could be Thomas Brinidisi who is dead or another guy altogether. From the tone of the article that mentioned him as a member he was already old in 2006 so whoever it is he could very well be dead by now.


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Buffalo News reported Dominic Vaccaro being made. Highly probably a few guys around him (Spadafora) got made as well (nothing confirmed)

Dilly Spataro?

Nothing is being counted in Utica?

Joe Violi is being counted as a Bonnano?

Avignone has to fit in somehwere, as do the Iavarones.

And without getting into a pissing match, the general consensus is that no making ceremonies happened on the NY side in the last 20+ years?
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John Sciortino
Peter Simone
Frank Deluna
Willie Cammisano Jr
Vince Civella
Anthony Simone
James Moretina
John Mandacina (IP)
Jerry Cammisano
John Termini
Vincent Pisciotta (IP)
Dominic Scola
Nick LaBruzzo
Peter (PJ) Ribaste (maybe dead?)


This is avvocatos list from the recent Kansas City thread.
I believe most if not all are confirmed made (with the exception of maybe 3) so we can say 11-14 for KC. Definitely is more then 5.
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10 of them are 100% confirmed made guys by my recollection
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I know John oliverio in Cleveland is questionable, but was Ron Lucarelli confirmed or no? That would make 2 for Cleveland officially
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Pogo The Clown wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:46 am
aleksandrored wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:17 am Who would be the 5 guys remaining in Los Angeles?

Louis "Little Man" Caruso
Philip “Fat Philly” Dioguardi
Michael "Porno Mike" Esposito
Tommaso "Tommy" Gambino
Russell "Rusty" Massetta (Dead?)
Rocco "Rocky Bigfoot" Zangari (Dead?)


Here is what I have for the other families (including the strong possiblities).


Genovese: 139-141 (closer to but less than 200)

Gambino: 143-151 (It was closer to but less than 200 but they have lost almost 20 members in the last 3 years)

Bonanno: 133-139

Lucchese: 107-112

Colombo: 73-81 (so closer to 100)

Philly: 43 (so closer to 50)

New Jersey: 34-37 (so in the 40s)

New England: 25-34 (likely in the 30s)

Chicago: 19? (Some dispute on who is confirmed and who isn’t. Snakes and Antiliar would be the guys to ask. But the number is almot surely in the teens by now)

Buffalo: 11-15 (likely closer to 11)

Rochester: 6 or 7


Wiseguy listed the rest.


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John Balistrieri and John Candela, owner of Grande Cheese, are still alive for Milwaukee. I believe they have both been identified by the FBI as made members
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Newyorkempire wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:30 pm Buffalo News reported Dominic Vaccaro being made.

I included him in my estimate but he was not on the 1993 list or the 1997 and 2006 charts. So he was almost certainly not a Buffalo member.

Patrickgold wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:33 pm John Balistrieri and John Candela, owner of Grande Cheese, are still alive for Milwaukee. I believe they have both been identified by the FBI as made members

Candella was on the August 1968 Madison member list. The 1993 Milwaukee list has a redacted spot that could be John Balistrieri.


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Pogo The Clown wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:35 pm
Newyorkempire wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:30 pm Buffalo News reported Dominic Vaccaro being made.

I included him in my estimate but he was not on the 1993 list or the 1997 and 2006 charts. So he was almost certainly not a Buffalo member.

Patrickgold wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:33 pm John Balistrieri and John Candela, owner of Grande Cheese, are still alive for Milwaukee. I believe they have both been identified by the FBI as made members

Candella was on the August 1968 Madison member list. The 1993 Milwaukee list has a redacted spot that could be John Balistrieri.


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Those charts were were not totally inclusive and members have been proven to not always be known by the FBI as we've seen in many cases across most of the families.
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The same tired old arguement.


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Timmoffat wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:56 pm 10 of them are 100% confirmed made guys by my recollection
Confirmed how? If you or anyone else can find something official that can be posted for all to see, be my guest.
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Wiseguy wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:51 pm
Timmoffat wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:56 pm 10 of them are 100% confirmed made guys by my recollection
Confirmed how? If you or anyone else can find something official that can be posted for all to see, be my guest.
Confirmed using the predetermined set of factors B and others set out that include court documents such as appeals or a reputable news source which wouldn’t print unless they were confirmed because it would open them up to libel
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