Federal Onslaught

[Amershire_Ed]

There’s a bunch of stuff that helped the government reign in the mob in the 80s, but I don’t think it can be overstated how helpful the Galante hit (and it’s consequences) was to their cause. The Feds working the pizza connection case said they wouldn’t have solved the case if it wasn’t for the Galante murder. Or at least it would’ve taken them much longer and been much more difficult. And there were multiple Feds in that Fear City doc that talked about how critical it was to solve and tie the Galante murder to the Commssion Case.

Just seems like that hit should be more famous for the consequences and ripple effects it caused moreso than the image of Galante lying dead with the cigar in his mouth.

[aleksandrored]

I remember it was in the documentary "America's Book of Secrets" The Mafia, what I found interesting is that it starts talking about the accusations of 2011, it was the most recent thing I saw in a documentary about LCN.

[Pogo The Clown]

I have a very vague recollection of reading a ratio of 5 Associates to every Active Member. Which would probably more accurate.


Still though like was stated it is harder to compile an associate number because the definition is subjective. A member is counted whether he is active, inactive or in prison for life but does that apply to associates? A member who has been inactive since the 1980s is still counted but do we count an associate who has been inactive for decades or is doing life in prison? See what I mean.


Pogo

[Villain]

After the 1980s and early 90s the Chicago Outfit became small potatoes compared to what they looked like during the previous decades....

[JohnnyS]

Imagine what it would've been like discussing the Castellano hit and the car bomb attempt on Gotti that killed DeCicco. Frank Cali getting clipped last year is the closest we'll probably get again to a big international mob story that has whole news talking. Those few hours of speculating were fun.

[scagghiuni]

The 80s and 90s were really the downfall of LCN, I think that for the Sicilian mafia, also seeing the huge publicity that Riina caused at that time, ironically it was the "height" of the visibility of the mafia, as well as its downfall.

Interesting that I saw in a documentary that in 2011, according to the FBI, LCN still had 3,000 members and associates across the country, is there so many people associated with the mafia?

I have read some estimates that say the Genovese family alone has 2,000–3,000 associates. I don't know how accurate that number is, and it also depends on your definition of associate, but I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that the average soldier could have 10–15 associates under them.

The ratio of associates actually "on record" with a made guy in New York was more like 4 to 1 according to what I have read. Anyway, it also depends like you said on how "liberal" a definition of the word "associate" means.

I imagine a lot of the "700 made guys" are also basically inactive as far as crime goes. I wouldn't be shocked if the ones with de facto "inactive" status number in the triple digits.

but probably there are also unknown made members who compensate the reputed inactive; is gene gotti considered inactive, for example?

[JohnnyS]

The 80s and 90s were really the downfall of LCN, I think that for the Sicilian mafia, also seeing the huge publicity that Riina caused at that time, ironically it was the "height" of the visibility of the mafia, as well as its downfall.

Interesting that I saw in a documentary that in 2011, according to the FBI, LCN still had 3,000 members and associates across the country, is there so many people associated with the mafia?

I have read some estimates that say the Genovese family alone has 2,000–3,000 associates. I don't know how accurate that number is, and it also depends on your definition of associate, but I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that the average soldier could have 10–15 associates under them.

The ratio of associates actually "on record" with a made guy in New York was more like 4 to 1 according to what I have read. Anyway, it also depends like you said on how "liberal" a definition of the word "associate" means.

I imagine a lot of the "700 made guys" are also basically inactive as far as crime goes. I wouldn't be shocked if the ones with de facto "inactive" status number in the triple digits.

but probably there are also unknown made members who compensate the reputed inactive; is gene gotti considered inactive, for example?

Gene Gotti was at Michael Roccaforte's brothers wake not long ago with other Gambinos and Capeci said when he was being released that he's still in good standing with the family. I imagine Gene Gotti will be involved in some capacity until death. He doesn't strike me as the type to 'retire'

Good point on the unknowns. Who had ever heard of Frank Camuso or Domenico Acquista until they were revealed to be captains. There's a few guys who can fly under the radar and of course others who have been recently inducted.

[Pogo The Clown]

Don't confuse unknown to us on the forum to unknown to LE. All those guys are already factored in to the m bees hip estimates.


Pogo

[scagghiuni]

Don't confuse unknown to us on the forum to unknown to LE. All those guys are already factored in to the m bees hip estimates.


Pogo

there are sure members unknown to le, they are counted among the associates but not the made members, for example the bonanno's who met the sicilian bosses in sicily, probably are known to fbi but as associates

[JohnnyS]

Back when the FBI had LCN as a priority and full squads were around Im sure they knew every member but I think there's a case to be made that a few guys can go under the radar as made members for some time.

I suppose it depends on the family and how tight they are at the top.

[Wiseguy]

After the 1980s and early 90s the Chicago Outfit became small potatoes compared to what they looked like during the previous decades....

"The Outfit used to be big time. Now they're like Jersey."

[Super]

Only difference wise guy they got the city to there self.

[Confederate]

Only difference wise guy they got the city to there self.

Really, what city? BLM, the black mayor & antifa are destroying that city right before your eyes.

[Super]

Has jersey not gangs?

[Confederate]

Has jersey not gangs?

The Point is that The Outfit is weak & "running on Fumes" according to the Feds so even if they have a half destroyed city to themselves, it is irrelevant. It would be like me saying I have a ditch full of shit all to myself which I can't do anything about anyways.