The Chicago - Brazil Connection 1960's

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Re: The Chicago - Brazil Connection 1960's

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Villain wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 4:13 pm
aleksandrored wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 2:52 pm
Villain wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 2:02 pm
aleksandrored wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 1:39 pm Is this Hyman Larner the same as if he were a Meyer Lansky but from Outfit?
Similar or maybe even the same since both donated a lot of cash and weapons to Israel since the 1940s

Btw I know that we talked about this same situation before, so do you think that the whole scheme occurred under the Artur da Costa e Silva regime?
Thanks man, I didn't remember that about weapons, but if I remember correctly, it was at the time of World War II.

I didn't remember that about weapons, but if I remember correctly, it was at the time of World War II.

I believe it occurred in that same period of Arthur da Costa, it is even interesting because there was a similar case only involving gambling in a city called Rio de Janeiro, Castor de Andrade together with a fugitive from the first mafia war (Antonino Salamone), dominated the game of the animal (popular illegal lottery game here), and according to a judge at the time, the military dictatorship left Antonino Salamone to live in Brazil, even condemned in the USA and Italy.

The military dictatorship was gaining strength and in 1968 its peak began, which lasted until the end of the 70s, which makes sense with the archives that say that the agreement lasted until 1977, an agreement like this would be very advantageous for the military dictatorship, even more so that despite having helped in the economy in the beginning, over the years the dictator has been leaving a very big drop in the economy, which reflected in the huge inflation in the 80s.

At that time, Brazil did not have an "organized crime", there were groups and gangs that profited from drugs, robberies, prostitution and gambling, but nothing on a very large scale, so Outfit was very easy to dominate the market.
Thanks a lot for the additional info bud

Yup, it was during WWII and they did the same thing in Cuba, and as a matter of fact, Larner was questioned about it in 1959, during the McClellan hearings...

Senator Mundt: Is there an operation operating in the basement of the house, a dope ring or a counterfeiting bloc or a kidnapping bloc, do you know?

Mr. Larner: I respectfully decline to answer because I honestly believe my answer might tend to incriminate me.

Senator Mundt: This wasn't where they were shipping out arms, sending them to either side of the Cuban revolution, is it?

Mr. Larner: I respectfully decline to answer because I honestly believe my answer might tend to incriminate me.
Thanks man, you wrote an article about Larner here if I'm not mistaken, I'll read it soon.
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Re: The Chicago - Brazil Connection 1960's

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aleksandrored wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 4:19 pm
Villain wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 4:13 pm
aleksandrored wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 2:52 pm
Villain wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 2:02 pm
aleksandrored wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 1:39 pm Is this Hyman Larner the same as if he were a Meyer Lansky but from Outfit?
Similar or maybe even the same since both donated a lot of cash and weapons to Israel since the 1940s

Btw I know that we talked about this same situation before, so do you think that the whole scheme occurred under the Artur da Costa e Silva regime?
Thanks man, I didn't remember that about weapons, but if I remember correctly, it was at the time of World War II.

I didn't remember that about weapons, but if I remember correctly, it was at the time of World War II.

I believe it occurred in that same period of Arthur da Costa, it is even interesting because there was a similar case only involving gambling in a city called Rio de Janeiro, Castor de Andrade together with a fugitive from the first mafia war (Antonino Salamone), dominated the game of the animal (popular illegal lottery game here), and according to a judge at the time, the military dictatorship left Antonino Salamone to live in Brazil, even condemned in the USA and Italy.

The military dictatorship was gaining strength and in 1968 its peak began, which lasted until the end of the 70s, which makes sense with the archives that say that the agreement lasted until 1977, an agreement like this would be very advantageous for the military dictatorship, even more so that despite having helped in the economy in the beginning, over the years the dictator has been leaving a very big drop in the economy, which reflected in the huge inflation in the 80s.

At that time, Brazil did not have an "organized crime", there were groups and gangs that profited from drugs, robberies, prostitution and gambling, but nothing on a very large scale, so Outfit was very easy to dominate the market.
Thanks a lot for the additional info bud

Yup, it was during WWII and they did the same thing in Cuba, and as a matter of fact, Larner was questioned about it in 1959, during the McClellan hearings...

Senator Mundt: Is there an operation operating in the basement of the house, a dope ring or a counterfeiting bloc or a kidnapping bloc, do you know?

Mr. Larner: I respectfully decline to answer because I honestly believe my answer might tend to incriminate me.

Senator Mundt: This wasn't where they were shipping out arms, sending them to either side of the Cuban revolution, is it?

Mr. Larner: I respectfully decline to answer because I honestly believe my answer might tend to incriminate me.
Thanks man, you wrote an article about Larner here if I'm not mistaken, I'll read it soon.
Yes I wrote that piece around 4 or 5 years ago and even though its a lil bit outdated, still its an interesting read
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Re: The Chicago - Brazil Connection 1960's

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Villain wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 12:32 am
aleksandrored wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 4:19 pm
Villain wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 4:13 pm
aleksandrored wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 2:52 pm
Villain wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 2:02 pm
aleksandrored wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 1:39 pm Is this Hyman Larner the same as if he were a Meyer Lansky but from Outfit?
Similar or maybe even the same since both donated a lot of cash and weapons to Israel since the 1940s

Btw I know that we talked about this same situation before, so do you think that the whole scheme occurred under the Artur da Costa e Silva regime?
Thanks man, I didn't remember that about weapons, but if I remember correctly, it was at the time of World War II.

I didn't remember that about weapons, but if I remember correctly, it was at the time of World War II.

I believe it occurred in that same period of Arthur da Costa, it is even interesting because there was a similar case only involving gambling in a city called Rio de Janeiro, Castor de Andrade together with a fugitive from the first mafia war (Antonino Salamone), dominated the game of the animal (popular illegal lottery game here), and according to a judge at the time, the military dictatorship left Antonino Salamone to live in Brazil, even condemned in the USA and Italy.

The military dictatorship was gaining strength and in 1968 its peak began, which lasted until the end of the 70s, which makes sense with the archives that say that the agreement lasted until 1977, an agreement like this would be very advantageous for the military dictatorship, even more so that despite having helped in the economy in the beginning, over the years the dictator has been leaving a very big drop in the economy, which reflected in the huge inflation in the 80s.

At that time, Brazil did not have an "organized crime", there were groups and gangs that profited from drugs, robberies, prostitution and gambling, but nothing on a very large scale, so Outfit was very easy to dominate the market.
Thanks a lot for the additional info bud

Yup, it was during WWII and they did the same thing in Cuba, and as a matter of fact, Larner was questioned about it in 1959, during the McClellan hearings...

Senator Mundt: Is there an operation operating in the basement of the house, a dope ring or a counterfeiting bloc or a kidnapping bloc, do you know?

Mr. Larner: I respectfully decline to answer because I honestly believe my answer might tend to incriminate me.

Senator Mundt: This wasn't where they were shipping out arms, sending them to either side of the Cuban revolution, is it?

Mr. Larner: I respectfully decline to answer because I honestly believe my answer might tend to incriminate me.
Thanks man, you wrote an article about Larner here if I'm not mistaken, I'll read it soon.
Yes I wrote that piece around 4 or 5 years ago and even though its a lil bit outdated, still its an interesting read
Oks bro, I will read it later.
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