The Chicago - Brazil Connection 1960's

[Villain]

During the 1960s, the Chicago Outfit began spreading its influence all around the world including Central and South America, Europe, South Africa, the Middle East and Australia.

None of the international gambling operations exploded in the same way as the ones in Cuba or Las Vegas, but that was for gambling, as for their vending machine business it was a whole new lucrative story.

Allen Rothman was Outfit associate and main front man for Gus Alex and Hyman Larner, two Outfit members deeply involved in the coin machine business, with the help of their mentor Eddie Vogel, who in turn was old time member of the Chicago syndicate.

These fellas controlled the so-called "Combine" which in fact was a special squad within the Outfit, mainly for their international operations. The boss of the Combine was Sam Giancana and included dozens of members, both Italian and non-Italian.

In 1962, Rothman became the President of The Vending Corporation of America in Chicago, and as a matter of fact, two Outfit-related companies, the J&S Amusement Company and the Oasis Vending Company, merged into the Vending Corporation of America.

Rothman also fronted the Vencoa Music Company, while many Outfit members had shares in companies such as the Skill Amusement, Apollo Vending, Coney Island Amusement, Flip Amusement, B&T Vending and the Town and Country Vending.

The Altiere brothers owned the A & W Electric and controlled a vast coin machine operation in Summit, Illinois and were considered as part of Vogel's/Larner's Cicero crew. Also Earl Kies and Julius Zimberoff were the general managers at the Apex Amusement Company and Ajax Phonograph, which were controlled by Vogel.

With Rothmans help, the Outfit financed many manufacturing plants and offices in Chicago and all around the Midwest, including Kansas City and Milwaukee and also arpund the world such as Panama, Spain, England, Japan and Australia.

The firms located in the US were also destined for distribution of vending machines around both Central and South America, and so in 1967, Rothman and the Outfit set their sights on Brazil, mainly because at the time the country was going through some more positive changes and so many American companies began investing.

The problem was the lack of coinage in Brazil as the country mostly relied on paper currency at the time, and the vending machines “feed” on coins right?! So Rothman acquired information regarding all of the states around Brazil and what types for coins they used at the time.

Reports show that Rothman reached out to representatives of Pepsi and Coca Cola companies regarding the same situation, and also to owners of various vending firms such as from the St. Louis area. Many crime families also invested in this operation, including Cleveland, Detriot, Kansas City, St Louis, Milwaukee and even some of the east coast families from New York.

I also strongly believe that the CIA was also interested in this operation, mainly regarding their influence in South America and on top of that, during the 60s they had close connections to guys like Giancana and Larner.

Rothman was quite aware about the dangers of this type of business, meaning he already had information that England was having problems with counterfeit coins at the time, and so he didnt want to be involved in the same problem.

Story goes that Rothman made a contact with some local attorney in Sao Paolo Brazil, a city which Rothman referred to as "the Chicago of Brazil". The Brazilian attorney had connections to the current President at the time, and according to one report, at the beginning most of Chicago's requests were represented by that same local attorney, but later other reports show that some travels were made by many Outfit figures such as Giancana, Alex, Larner, Les Kruse and obviously Rothman.

That same year, a meeting occurred in Sao Paolo regarding the introduction of that country into all types of vending, slot and music machines since the country was a huge market and the local regime obviously greased their palms quite good. Reports show that besides the President of Brazil, also present at the meeting were the Minister of Defence and the Chief of the National Police Force.

It is not known which representatives for the US Mob were present at the meeting but if you ask me, I would choose between Rothman and that local attorney, or maybe even Larner who was known for having personal connections to several state leaders.

So they found a solution and asked for permission from Brazil’s top administration to mint nine million coins in three different denominations to operate the new devices, and they managed to mint the coins in denominations of 1, 2, and 5, worth approximately 7 cents, 16 cents and 35 cents, all from stainless steel.

After that, the Chicago group acquired a building in Sao Paolo for storage purposes and also formed two Brazilian vending corporations and opened up jobs for many locals. The first corporation was known as the Touristal and the second one as The Valley of Brazil and so these two Chicago Outfit-connected corporations held a protective shield on the market because they were in the same basket with the current regime.

Larner's and Rothman's close associate Eddie Ginsburg became the main guy between Chicago and Brazil, and according to the FBI, the 10-year deal between all of the US corporations and Brazil’s top administration was about to profit between 100 and 150 million dollars, which I personally believe that the number is a little bit exaggerated.

Some newspaper reports say that the Brazilian government at the time, helped the Chicago Mob in receiving concessions for slot machines in casinos located in other various places such as Argentina and again, they were known for making shipments of $500,000 in few months, which sounds more real.

Heres some files regarding the operation...

A newspaper article regarding the situation


Regarding Rothman and the coin problem in Brazil, and also the Pepsi connection




The Coca Cola connection


About the meeting between Brazils top admin and the Combine




Ginsburg and Rothman


Regarding the alleged profits


Some additional info regarding the Combine and Larner

[cavita]

Excellent, excellent information! I love reading on these well-researched stories on Chicago and learning new bits of information. Well done.

[Villain]

Excellent, excellent information! I love reading on these well-researched stories on Chicago and learning new bits of information. Well done.

Thanks man, means a lot coming from a researcher such as yourself.

Also i forgot to mention three important things regarding the same situation...

The first one is, as I previously said that the so-called Combine was a "special" crew for the Outfits international ops, and it was mainly under the jurisdiction of Giancana, even after his "exile" from Chicago and the US.

So since Giancana was the boss of the squad, his board of directors included Vogel, Alex, Kruse and Larner. The rest of the members were Allen Rothman, Eddie Ginsburg, Peter and William Altiere, Anselmo Pacini, Sal and Carmen Bastone, Frank and Albert Meo, Charles Ross, Tony Orlando Tony De Angelos, Dominic and Tommy Russo, Jack De Lamater, Louis Lederer, James Tortoriello, Sam Volpentesto, Earl Kies, Julius Zimberoff, Guy Sparta, Alan Zimmerman, Paul Payne, Harold Edwards and Armando Pezzopane.

The second important thing is that the deal in Brazil was made in 1967 and it seems that Larner was one of Giancanas main overseers since both were constantly out of the country. Even though it became much smaller, still the crew existed even after Giancanas 1975 demise, since in 76 it was reported that the Combine was still controlled by Larner.

So the 1967 Brazilian deal was for the next 10 years, and so "coincidentally" when the deal passed, Outfit boss Joey Aiuppa replaced Larner with one of their underlings Tommy Russo as the new head of the Combine. This obviously means that Larner was in control of the Brazil scheme for 10 years, and this move was also made because Larner spent most of his time out of the country.

And the third and last important thing was that all of these so-called international operations, besides producing huge amounts of money, still they were in fact one huge “dirty laundry machine” for the Chicago Outfit, and the US Mob in general.

[cavita]

Excellent, excellent information! I love reading on these well-researched stories on Chicago and learning new bits of information. Well done.

Thanks man, means a lot coming from a researcher such as yourself.

Also i forgot to mention three important things regarding the same situation...

The first one is, as I previously said that the so-called Combine was a "special" crew for the Outfits international ops, and it was mainly under the jurisdiction of Giancana, even after his "exile" from Chicago and the US.

So since Giancana was the boss of the squad, his board of directors included Vogel, Alex, Kruse and Larner. The rest of the members were Allen Rothman, Eddie Ginsburg, Peter and William Altiere, Anselmo Pacini, Sal and Carmen Bastone, Frank and Albert Meo, Charles Ross, Tony Orlando Tony De Angelos, Dominic and Tommy Russo, Jack De Lamater, Louis Lederer, James Tortoriello, Sam Volpentesto, Earl Kies, Julius Zimberoff, Guy Sparta, Alan Zimmerman, Paul Payne, Harold Edwards and Armando Pezzopane.

The second important thing is that the deal in Brazil was made in 1967 and it seems that Larner was one of Giancanas main overseers since both were constantly out of the country. Even though it became much smaller, still the crew existed even after Giancanas 1975 demise, since in 76 it was reported that the Combine was still controlled by Larner.

So the 1967 Brazilian deal was for the next 10 years, and so "coincidentally" when the deal passed, Outfit boss Joey Aiuppa replaced Larner with one of their underlings Tommy Russo as the new head of the Combine. This obviously means that Larner was in control of the Brazil scheme for 10 years, and this move was also made because Larner spent most of his time out of the country.

And the third and last important thing was that all of these so-called international operations, besides producing huge amounts of money, still they were in fact one huge “dirty laundry machine” for the Chicago Outfit, and the US Mob in general.

Nice! This makes me want to do a write up on the vending biz in Rockford. I'll see what I can come up with!

[Villain]

Excellent, excellent information! I love reading on these well-researched stories on Chicago and learning new bits of information. Well done.

Thanks man, means a lot coming from a researcher such as yourself.

Also i forgot to mention three important things regarding the same situation...

The first one is, as I previously said that the so-called Combine was a "special" crew for the Outfits international ops, and it was mainly under the jurisdiction of Giancana, even after his "exile" from Chicago and the US.

So since Giancana was the boss of the squad, his board of directors included Vogel, Alex, Kruse and Larner. The rest of the members were Allen Rothman, Eddie Ginsburg, Peter and William Altiere, Anselmo Pacini, Sal and Carmen Bastone, Frank and Albert Meo, Charles Ross, Tony Orlando Tony De Angelos, Dominic and Tommy Russo, Jack De Lamater, Louis Lederer, James Tortoriello, Sam Volpentesto, Earl Kies, Julius Zimberoff, Guy Sparta, Alan Zimmerman, Paul Payne, Harold Edwards and Armando Pezzopane.

The second important thing is that the deal in Brazil was made in 1967 and it seems that Larner was one of Giancanas main overseers since both were constantly out of the country. Even though it became much smaller, still the crew existed even after Giancanas 1975 demise, since in 76 it was reported that the Combine was still controlled by Larner.

So the 1967 Brazilian deal was for the next 10 years, and so "coincidentally" when the deal passed, Outfit boss Joey Aiuppa replaced Larner with one of their underlings Tommy Russo as the new head of the Combine. This obviously means that Larner was in control of the Brazil scheme for 10 years, and this move was also made because Larner spent most of his time out of the country.

And the third and last important thing was that all of these so-called international operations, besides producing huge amounts of money, still they were in fact one huge “dirty laundry machine” for the Chicago Outfit, and the US Mob in general.

Nice! This makes me want to do a write up on the vending biz in Rockford. I'll see what I can come up with!

Pls do that and see if there are any connections regarding this or any other situation

[Patrickgold]

Excellent, excellent information! I love reading on these well-researched stories on Chicago and learning new bits of information. Well done.

Thanks man, means a lot coming from a researcher such as yourself.

Also i forgot to mention three important things regarding the same situation...

The first one is, as I previously said that the so-called Combine was a "special" crew for the Outfits international ops, and it was mainly under the jurisdiction of Giancana, even after his "exile" from Chicago and the US.

So since Giancana was the boss of the squad, his board of directors included Vogel, Alex, Kruse and Larner. The rest of the members were Allen Rothman, Eddie Ginsburg, Peter and William Altiere, Anselmo Pacini, Sal and Carmen Bastone, Frank and Albert Meo, Charles Ross, Tony Orlando Tony De Angelos, Dominic and Tommy Russo, Jack De Lamater, Louis Lederer, James Tortoriello, Sam Volpentesto, Earl Kies, Julius Zimberoff, Guy Sparta, Alan Zimmerman, Paul Payne, Harold Edwards and Armando Pezzopane.

The second important thing is that the deal in Brazil was made in 1967 and it seems that Larner was one of Giancanas main overseers since both were constantly out of the country. Even though it became much smaller, still the crew existed even after Giancanas 1975 demise, since in 76 it was reported that the Combine was still controlled by Larner.

So the 1967 Brazilian deal was for the next 10 years, and so "coincidentally" when the deal passed, Outfit boss Joey Aiuppa replaced Larner with one of their underlings Tommy Russo as the new head of the Combine. This obviously means that Larner was in control of the Brazil scheme for 10 years, and this move was also made because Larner spent most of his time out of the country.

And the third and last important thing was that all of these so-called international operations, besides producing huge amounts of money, still they were in fact one huge “dirty laundry machine” for the Chicago Outfit, and the US Mob in general.

Nice! This makes me want to do a write up on the vending biz in Rockford. I'll see what I can come up with!

Pls do that and see if there are any connections regarding this or any other situation

Great info!! Thanks for the write up. You mentioned Larner was replaced in 77. What country was he spending most of his time in? Was it Panama? Also, wasn’t his son involved in the operation too?

[Villain]

Great info!! Thanks for the write up. You mentioned Larner was replaced in 77. What country was he spending most of his time in? Was it Panama? Also, wasn’t his son involved in the operation too?

I have to be honest that im not sure about the exact year when was Larner replaced by Russo, because it mightve been earlier or during the mid 70s. He was not replaced in the sense that Russo was in charge from that point on, but instead Russos job was to oversee all of Larners and Aiuppas international interests, mainly because Larner spent most of his time in Panama, and according to LE he was still considered the main go-to-guy out of the country.

Speaking about Panama, i dont know anything about his son but i do know that Larner was also joined by one of his cousins Marcell Harrick and together in Colon they operated the Juliano International, S.A., a corporation which was only engaged in importing vending and slot machines and also all kinds of gambling equipment from Chicago, of course all exported to Panama by Outfit owned firms.

I dont remember the year but later Harrick was killed on Larners orders and his body was never found or something like that. It seems that Larner believed in the "no body, no crime" theory since back in the 1950s he did the same thing to one female newsreporter. She was kidnapped and was never seen again.

Im maybe mixing up the years regarding the 1970s, since one file from the mid 70s speaks about Russo being in charge back home, while another file states that in 76 the crew was formed by the Bastone bros, Russo and Jimmy Johnson, and that Larner was the boss. On top of that, Larners boss Ed Vogel died in 77 so maybe some changes occurred after that

Btw do you know what year Russo died? I know Larry Rassano died during the mid 70s but I dont have a clue about Russo

Also during the late 70s a lot of changes occurred in the coin machine world with the arrival of video pocker machines and i believe that from that point on the Bastones fell under Torrelos/Ferriolas Cicero crew, mainly because thats the same stronghold from where both Vogel and Larner also came from. The Bastones came from MP, another area in which Vogel also had interests, and thats why later the Ferriola/Sarno/Cicero mob absorbed the whole MP area, after the "demise" of the Carlisi/Marcello crew.

Both the Aiuppa/Carlisi and Vogel/Larner crews were legacy from the same Capone/Cicero group and were always in close relation. But after awhile both groups entered the MP area and became more associated with the West Side faction, especially Aiuppa, while Vogel was more loyal to Alex and Ferraro or the South faction.

The Cicero area was always divided between the Buccieri/Torrelo/Ferriola/Infelice and the Aiuppa/Carlisi/Tornabene/Marcello groups, or until Sarno became the boss and took the whole areas, meaning both Cicero and MP.

Again according to LE, Larner was still the main guy in Panama regarding the pocker machines. I believe that this guy went retired sometime during the late 1980s, when the Bastones were out of the picture, followed by their main partner in the same scheme from Grand Av crew Louie Eboli, meaning most of his contacts back home were being cut off, especially when Corbitt and Patrick decided to cooperate.

Also do you know that Larner once tried to fake his own death? Lol

[Patrickgold]

Great info!! Thanks for the write up. You mentioned Larner was replaced in 77. What country was he spending most of his time in? Was it Panama? Also, wasn’t his son involved in the operation too?

I have to be honest that im not sure about the exact year when was Larner replaced by Russo, because it mightve been earlier or during the mid 70s. He was not replaced in the sense that Russo was in charge from that point on, but instead Russos job was to oversee all of Larners and Aiuppas international interests, mainly because Larner spent most of his time in Panama, and according to LE he was still considered the main go-to-guy out of the country.

Speaking about Panama, i dont know anything about his son but i do know that Larner was also joined by one of his cousins Marcell Harrick and together in Colon they operated the Juliano International, S.A., a corporation which was only engaged in importing vending and slot machines and also all kinds of gambling equipment from Chicago, of course all exported to Panama by Outfit owned firms.

I dont remember the year but later Harrick was killed on Larners orders and his body was never found or something like that. It seems that Larner believed in the "no body, no crime" theory since back in the 1950s he did the same thing to one female newsreporter. She was kidnapped and was never seen again.

Im maybe mixing up the years regarding the 1970s, since one file from the mid 70s speaks about Russo being in charge back home, while another file states that in 76 the crew was formed by the Bastone bros, Russo and Jimmy Johnson, and that Larner was the boss. On top of that, Larners boss Ed Vogel died in 77 so maybe some changes occurred after that

Btw do you know what year Russo died? I know Larry Rassano died during the mid 70s but I dont have a clue about Russo

Also during the late 70s a lot of changes occurred in the coin machine world with the arrival of video pocker machines and i believe that from that point on the Bastones fell under Torrelos/Ferriolas Cicero crew, mainly because thats the same stronghold from where both Vogel and Larner also came from. The Bastones came from MP, another area in which Vogel also had interests, and thats why later the Ferriola/Sarno/Cicero mob absorbed the whole MP area, after the "demise" of the Carlisi/Marcello crew.

Both the Aiuppa/Carlisi and Vogel/Larner crews were legacy from the same Capone/Cicero group and were always in close relation. But after awhile both groups entered the MP area and became more associated with the West Side faction, especially Aiuppa, while Vogel was more loyal to Alex and Ferraro or the South faction.

The Cicero area was always divided between the Buccieri/Torrelo/Ferriola/Infelice and the Aiuppa/Carlisi/Tornabene/Marcello groups, or until Sarno became the boss and took the whole areas, meaning both Cicero and MP.

Again according to LE, Larner was still the main guy in Panama regarding the pocker machines. I believe that this guy went retired sometime during the late 1980s, when the Bastones were out of the picture, followed by their main partner in the same scheme from Grand Av crew Louie Eboli, meaning most of his contacts back home were being cut off, especially when Corbitt and Patrick decided to cooperate.

Also do you know that Larner once tried to fake his own death? Lol

Great info! I did hear that Larner tried to fake his own death. I believe it was a plane crash right? That guy was definitely a power house that nobody knew about. A sleeper. I heard his son was somehow involved. I’ll look through my notes to see. It’s funny, people often wonder what happened to these international connections. Everyone just assumes they disappeared. That the only “10 made men over 80 years old” is all the Outfit has left. I disagree with that assessment. I believe the Outfit is still involved in these schemes. Just at a much smaller scale. As for Tommy Russo. I could be wrong but I believe he died in the early 2000s. Do you know what year he was born?

[Villain]

Great info!! Thanks for the write up. You mentioned Larner was replaced in 77. What country was he spending most of his time in? Was it Panama? Also, wasn’t his son involved in the operation too?

I have to be honest that im not sure about the exact year when was Larner replaced by Russo, because it mightve been earlier or during the mid 70s. He was not replaced in the sense that Russo was in charge from that point on, but instead Russos job was to oversee all of Larners and Aiuppas international interests, mainly because Larner spent most of his time in Panama, and according to LE he was still considered the main go-to-guy out of the country.

Speaking about Panama, i dont know anything about his son but i do know that Larner was also joined by one of his cousins Marcell Harrick and together in Colon they operated the Juliano International, S.A., a corporation which was only engaged in importing vending and slot machines and also all kinds of gambling equipment from Chicago, of course all exported to Panama by Outfit owned firms.

I dont remember the year but later Harrick was killed on Larners orders and his body was never found or something like that. It seems that Larner believed in the "no body, no crime" theory since back in the 1950s he did the same thing to one female newsreporter. She was kidnapped and was never seen again.

Im maybe mixing up the years regarding the 1970s, since one file from the mid 70s speaks about Russo being in charge back home, while another file states that in 76 the crew was formed by the Bastone bros, Russo and Jimmy Johnson, and that Larner was the boss. On top of that, Larners boss Ed Vogel died in 77 so maybe some changes occurred after that

Btw do you know what year Russo died? I know Larry Rassano died during the mid 70s but I dont have a clue about Russo

Also during the late 70s a lot of changes occurred in the coin machine world with the arrival of video pocker machines and i believe that from that point on the Bastones fell under Torrelos/Ferriolas Cicero crew, mainly because thats the same stronghold from where both Vogel and Larner also came from. The Bastones came from MP, another area in which Vogel also had interests, and thats why later the Ferriola/Sarno/Cicero mob absorbed the whole MP area, after the "demise" of the Carlisi/Marcello crew.

Both the Aiuppa/Carlisi and Vogel/Larner crews were legacy from the same Capone/Cicero group and were always in close relation. But after awhile both groups entered the MP area and became more associated with the West Side faction, especially Aiuppa, while Vogel was more loyal to Alex and Ferraro or the South faction.

The Cicero area was always divided between the Buccieri/Torrelo/Ferriola/Infelice and the Aiuppa/Carlisi/Tornabene/Marcello groups, or until Sarno became the boss and took the whole areas, meaning both Cicero and MP.

Again according to LE, Larner was still the main guy in Panama regarding the pocker machines. I believe that this guy went retired sometime during the late 1980s, when the Bastones were out of the picture, followed by their main partner in the same scheme from Grand Av crew Louie Eboli, meaning most of his contacts back home were being cut off, especially when Corbitt and Patrick decided to cooperate.

Also do you know that Larner once tried to fake his own death? Lol

Great info! I did hear that Larner tried to fake his own death. I believe it was a plane crash right? That guy was definitely a power house that nobody knew about. A sleeper. I heard his son was somehow involved. I’ll look through my notes to see. It’s funny, people often wonder what happened to these international connections. Everyone just assumes they disappeared. That the only “10 made men over 80 years old” is all the Outfit has left. I disagree with that assessment. I believe the Outfit is still involved in these schemes. Just at a much smaller scale. As for Tommy Russo. I could be wrong but I believe he died in the early 2000s. Do you know what year he was born?

No but ill check. The important thing is that he didnt die before the late 80s. Also see if you can find anything on Larners son, since its the first time im hearing about it.

In 1991, Larner received word that the goverment was preparing a case against him, and so that same year Panamanian newspapers announced that Larner had suddenly died of natural causes, and so the feds decided to send few of their men to investigate the matter. The agents looked all around Panama for any evidence regarding Larner’s fake death but they had no luck. They didn’t even found a grave with Larner’s name on it and so that was it. The agents returned home and obviously did not believe the story and so they left the case open.

Four years later in 1995 rumours surfaced that Larner was very much alive and resided in the U.S. or to be specific, in Flathead County, Montana. In reality, Larner played it very smart because at first he faked his death by using corrupt Panamanian newspaper editors to publish his alleged death and also he had suspicion that the U.S. government will send their agents to check out the news and returned home where nobody was going to look for him.

So in 1997 government informer Mike Corbitt decided to testify against Larner and the FBI wanted to make a move against the old man but suddenly the State Department had intervened and stopped the whole investigation.

As for the international connections, I believe that the CIA also played a big role during those days and simply used the mob to an extent, since some mobsters also took a lot of money from the agency

[Villain]

I didnt want to open a different thread since we are already talking about Larner in this one, so i want to share one quite short and at the same time interesting story or info regarding the family of the current Illinois governor.

During the early 1970s or 1972, the "billion dollar" Pritzker business clan with the help of their Hyatt Hotel chain, wanted to buy the Four Queens casino in Las Vegas, Nevada. The thing was that the Pritzker clan used a very lucrative business technique known as asset management where the manager, usually a member of the Pritzker family, did not directly fund the projects.

Since it was too expensive to buy a hotel in Vegas at the time and it will took the family more than few years to see some profits, thats why the Pritzker’s usually invested a small amount of their cash and later teamed up with a wealthy backer to fill up the several million dollar bill which actually bought the hotel.

Now, during those days the Pritzker’s family “backer” was allegedly the Mob and this time the main connection was allegedly Larner. It turned out that both the Pritzkers and Larner together with other members of the Mob were few of the largest depositors in the most notorious offshore tax haven known as The Castle Bank of the Bahamas.

Larner and the Outfit already used the Bahamian and Cayman Islands banks which have long been valued by those wishing to hide their money because those same countries absolutely refused to cooperate with U.S. law enforcement.

Some sources say that the Mob played a big role in the origins of the Pritzker family's fortune regarding the creation of the famous Hyatt Hotels chain. There was no serious crime involved, but instead the financial backing came from organized crime, plain and simple.

Now the connection between Larner and the Pritzker clan goes back with the formation of the Hyatt Hotel in Lincolnwood, Illinois; and that same place became a favorite spot for Larner to put his foreign guests where he would often buy them expensive jewelry, expensive drinks and high class escorts.

So few years after Ben Goffstein's death, the owner of the Four Queens Casino, the joint became part of the corporate era of Nevada gaming, and then Larner allegedly turned to the Outfit’s lawyer and union racketeer Sidney Korshak to acquire a Teamsters Pension Fund loan at just four percent, thus saving the Pritzkers $8 million.

[aleksandrored]

Amazing article man, I am from Brazil and I find it very interesting that Chicago Outfit has business in Brazil in the 60s, just at the time of the military dictatorship.

[aleksandrored]

Is this Hyman Larner the same as if he were a Meyer Lansky but from Outfit?

[Villain]

Is this Hyman Larner the same as if he were a Meyer Lansky but from Outfit?

Similar or maybe even the same since both donated a lot of cash and weapons to Israel since the 1940s

Btw I know that we talked about this same situation before, so do you think that the whole scheme occurred under the Artur da Costa e Silva regime?

[aleksandrored]

Is this Hyman Larner the same as if he were a Meyer Lansky but from Outfit?

Similar or maybe even the same since both donated a lot of cash and weapons to Israel since the 1940s

Btw I know that we talked about this same situation before, so do you think that the whole scheme occurred under the Artur da Costa e Silva regime?

Thanks man, I didn't remember that about weapons, but if I remember correctly, it was at the time of World War II.

I didn't remember that about weapons, but if I remember correctly, it was at the time of World War II.

I believe it occurred in that same period of Arthur da Costa, it is even interesting because there was a similar case only involving gambling in a city called Rio de Janeiro, Castor de Andrade together with a fugitive from the first mafia war (Antonino Salamone), dominated the game of the animal (popular illegal lottery game here), and according to a judge at the time, the military dictatorship left Antonino Salamone to live in Brazil, even condemned in the USA and Italy.

The military dictatorship was gaining strength and in 1968 its peak began, which lasted until the end of the 70s, which makes sense with the archives that say that the agreement lasted until 1977, an agreement like this would be very advantageous for the military dictatorship, even more so that despite having helped in the economy in the beginning, over the years the dictator has been leaving a very big drop in the economy, which reflected in the huge inflation in the 80s.

At that time, Brazil did not have an "organized crime", there were groups and gangs that profited from drugs, robberies, prostitution and gambling, but nothing on a very large scale, so Outfit was very easy to dominate the market.

[Villain]

Is this Hyman Larner the same as if he were a Meyer Lansky but from Outfit?

Similar or maybe even the same since both donated a lot of cash and weapons to Israel since the 1940s

Btw I know that we talked about this same situation before, so do you think that the whole scheme occurred under the Artur da Costa e Silva regime?

Thanks man, I didn't remember that about weapons, but if I remember correctly, it was at the time of World War II.

I didn't remember that about weapons, but if I remember correctly, it was at the time of World War II.

I believe it occurred in that same period of Arthur da Costa, it is even interesting because there was a similar case only involving gambling in a city called Rio de Janeiro, Castor de Andrade together with a fugitive from the first mafia war (Antonino Salamone), dominated the game of the animal (popular illegal lottery game here), and according to a judge at the time, the military dictatorship left Antonino Salamone to live in Brazil, even condemned in the USA and Italy.

The military dictatorship was gaining strength and in 1968 its peak began, which lasted until the end of the 70s, which makes sense with the archives that say that the agreement lasted until 1977, an agreement like this would be very advantageous for the military dictatorship, even more so that despite having helped in the economy in the beginning, over the years the dictator has been leaving a very big drop in the economy, which reflected in the huge inflation in the 80s.

At that time, Brazil did not have an "organized crime", there were groups and gangs that profited from drugs, robberies, prostitution and gambling, but nothing on a very large scale, so Outfit was very easy to dominate the market.

Thanks a lot for the additional info bud

Yup, it was during WWII and they did the same thing in Cuba, and as a matter of fact, Larner was questioned about it in 1959, during the McClellan hearings...

Senator Mundt: Is there an operation operating in the basement of the house, a dope ring or a counterfeiting bloc or a kidnapping bloc, do you know?

Mr. Larner: I respectfully decline to answer because I honestly believe my answer might tend to incriminate me.

Senator Mundt: This wasn't where they were shipping out arms, sending them to either side of the Cuban revolution, is it?

Mr. Larner: I respectfully decline to answer because I honestly believe my answer might tend to incriminate me.