New Orleans and The Commission

[Grouchy Sinatra]

No. The New Orleans Matrangas came from Ustica, and the SoCal ones were from Piana dei Greci. They could have been related going back many generations back to the 1700s or earlier, but they were basically unrelated.

Thank you. Honestly never knew that.

[Antiliar]

Joe Colombo said this in a meeting around 1966:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 5&tab=page

In this other file are listed in 1967, 20 made men in New Orleans.

Greg Scarpa attended the meeting where Joe Colombo gave a speech on December 4, 1968, but it was referring to the La Stella Restaurant meeting in New York that took place on September 22, 1966. That meeting was known as "Little Appalachin." Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante dined with Carlo Gambino, Thomas Eboli, Mike Miranda, Aniello Dellacroce, Joseph N. Gallo, Dominick Alongi, Anthony Cirillo, and Joe Colombo. Marcello brought Anthony Carolla and Frank Gagliano.

[furiofromnaples]

Joe Colombo said this in a meeting around 1966:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 5&tab=page

In this other file are listed in 1967, 20 made men in New Orleans.

Greg Scarpa attended the meeting where Joe Colombo gave a speech on December 4, 1968, but it was referring to the La Stella Restaurant meeting in New York that took place on September 22, 1966. That meeting was known as "Little Appalachin." Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante dined with Carlo Gambino, Thomas Eboli, Mike Miranda, Aniello Dellacroce, Joseph N. Gallo, Dominick Alongi, Anthony Cirillo, and Joe Colombo. Marcello brought Anthony Carolla and Frank Gagliano.

So Scarpa is right while an FBI report that is also based on multiple informants is wrong?

[CabriniGreen]

Joe Colombo said this in a meeting around 1966:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 5&tab=page

In this other file are listed in 1967, 20 made men in New Orleans.

Greg Scarpa attended the meeting where Joe Colombo gave a speech on December 4, 1968, but it was referring to the La Stella Restaurant meeting in New York that took place on September 22, 1966. That meeting was known as "Little Appalachin." Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante dined with Carlo Gambino, Thomas Eboli, Mike Miranda, Aniello Dellacroce, Joseph N. Gallo, Dominick Alongi, Anthony Cirillo, and Joe Colombo. Marcello brought Anthony Carolla and Frank Gagliano.

So Scarpa is right while an FBI report that is also based on multiple informants is wrong?

These arnt you run of the mill posters Fur, these are very serious researchers here...

I've read/bought his Luciano article after he recommended it years ago, and the early mafia article of Informer.... Top, Top notch stuff...

If they are wrong about something, they will self- correct, believe me...

They write real articles that will rival anything you've read in a book, trust me..

[furiofromnaples]

Joe Colombo said this in a meeting around 1966:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 5&tab=page

In this other file are listed in 1967, 20 made men in New Orleans.

Greg Scarpa attended the meeting where Joe Colombo gave a speech on December 4, 1968, but it was referring to the La Stella Restaurant meeting in New York that took place on September 22, 1966. That meeting was known as "Little Appalachin." Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante dined with Carlo Gambino, Thomas Eboli, Mike Miranda, Aniello Dellacroce, Joseph N. Gallo, Dominick Alongi, Anthony Cirillo, and Joe Colombo. Marcello brought Anthony Carolla and Frank Gagliano.

So Scarpa is right while an FBI report that is also based on multiple informants is wrong?

These arnt you run of the mill posters Fur, these are very serious researchers here...

I've read/bought his Luciano article after he recommended it years ago, and the early mafia article of Informer.... Top, Top notch stuff...

If they are wrong about something, they will self- correct, believe me...

They write real articles that will rival anything you've read in a book, trust me..

I trust you but seem me strange that a family like New Orleans reduced in the 1960s to only 6 members while in another report are listed 20 members. Plus Scarpa said that Colombo speech was in 1968 ie 2 y after the la stella meeting and my report is from 1967. I dont think that Marcello inducted 14 men in 1 years.

[chin_gigante]

Joe Colombo said this in a meeting around 1966:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 5&tab=page

In this other file are listed in 1967, 20 made men in New Orleans.

Greg Scarpa attended the meeting where Joe Colombo gave a speech on December 4, 1968, but it was referring to the La Stella Restaurant meeting in New York that took place on September 22, 1966. That meeting was known as "Little Appalachin." Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante dined with Carlo Gambino, Thomas Eboli, Mike Miranda, Aniello Dellacroce, Joseph N. Gallo, Dominick Alongi, Anthony Cirillo, and Joe Colombo. Marcello brought Anthony Carolla and Frank Gagliano.

So Scarpa is right while an FBI report that is also based on multiple informants is wrong?

These arnt you run of the mill posters Fur, these are very serious researchers here...

I've read/bought his Luciano article after he recommended it years ago, and the early mafia article of Informer.... Top, Top notch stuff...

If they are wrong about something, they will self- correct, believe me...

They write real articles that will rival anything you've read in a book, trust me..

I trust you but seem me strange that a family like New Orleans reduced in the 1960s to only 6 members while in another report are listed 20 members. Plus Scarpa said that Colombo speech was in 1968 ie 2 y after the la stella meeting and my report is from 1967. I dont think that Marcello inducted 14 men in 1 years.

It's possible. Within about a year and a four months of becoming boss of Philadelphia Nicky Scarfo inducted 17 members.

[scagghiuni]

Joe Colombo said this in a meeting around 1966:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 5&tab=page

In this other file are listed in 1967, 20 made men in New Orleans.

Greg Scarpa attended the meeting where Joe Colombo gave a speech on December 4, 1968, but it was referring to the La Stella Restaurant meeting in New York that took place on September 22, 1966. That meeting was known as "Little Appalachin." Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante dined with Carlo Gambino, Thomas Eboli, Mike Miranda, Aniello Dellacroce, Joseph N. Gallo, Dominick Alongi, Anthony Cirillo, and Joe Colombo. Marcello brought Anthony Carolla and Frank Gagliano.

So Scarpa is right while an FBI report that is also based on multiple informants is wrong?

These arnt you run of the mill posters Fur, these are very serious researchers here...

I've read/bought his Luciano article after he recommended it years ago, and the early mafia article of Informer.... Top, Top notch stuff...

If they are wrong about something, they will self- correct, believe me...

They write real articles that will rival anything you've read in a book, trust me..

I trust you but seem me strange that a family like New Orleans reduced in the 1960s to only 6 members while in another report are listed 20 members. Plus Scarpa said that Colombo speech was in 1968 ie 2 y after the la stella meeting and my report is from 1967. I dont think that Marcello inducted 14 men in 1 years.

there are families recognized even with a few made members, it is not true that a family should have several members like somebody claims, it's a reason that buffalo could be really active even if it has not 30 members like violi said, in sicily are family recognized by cosa nostra with 7-10 members only

[Rat]

I saw someone post on this forum that New Orleans had several hundred made guys at one point is that true?

[stubbs]

I saw someone post on this forum that New Orleans had several hundred made guys at one point is that true?

No, Wikipedia said they had 300 members and 3,000 associates. But the citation used was a specific page (133 maybe?) in Raab’s book “Five Families” which never mentioned that on the specific page listed. So the citation was bullshit. I doubt NOLA ever had more than 10% of that.

If they had hundreds back in the day they wouldn’t be defunct now.

[Confederate]

I saw someone post on this forum that New Orleans had several hundred made guys at one point is that true?

No, Wikipedia said they had 300 members and 3,000 associates. But the citation used was a specific page (133 maybe?) in Raab’s book “Five Families” which never mentioned that on the specific page listed. So the citation was bullshit. I doubt NOLA ever had more than 10% of that.

If they had hundreds back in the day they wouldn’t be defunct now.

Agreed 100%. Wikipedia are just articles written by anonymous assholes with no facts and huge idiotic exaggerations.

[furiofromnaples]

I saw someone post on this forum that New Orleans had several hundred made guys at one point is that true?

No, Wikipedia said they had 300 members and 3,000 associates. But the citation used was a specific page (133 maybe?) in Raab’s book “Five Families” which never mentioned that on the specific page listed. So the citation was bullshit. I doubt NOLA ever had more than 10% of that.

If they had hundreds back in the day they wouldn’t be defunct now.

As I understood Carlos Marcello prefered to keep all things for him and his blood family so when he died in 1983 all the political connections died with him and all old made men relative went legit so there was not one to replace the old men.

[Angelo Santino]

I saw someone post on this forum that New Orleans had several hundred made guys at one point is that true?

We don't know. I want to say unlikely however pre 1930's is very murky and that's 80 years of lost history. Some things to consider:
1 Sicilians were in Nola since the 1850's with trace elements of mafia crimes.
2 New Orleans was the American NYC of its day, until the 1870's.
3 New Orleans, Sicily, Tunis and Buenos Aires had a transatlantic citrus trade. Before the 1890's depression on Sicily they were the worlds' leading exporters. (The Mafia was always involved in this industry, some argue even that the Palermo mafia was founded around it.)
4 In 1890, Sangiorgi, the Palermo Questura, identified Mafia presence in New Orleans.
5 Took decades but after the civil war, power and economics shifted north and New Orleans declined and New York became the new Italian stronghold between 1890 and 1905.

[Lupara]

If it's true New Orleans didn't have to answer to the Commission, they could've inducted hundreds of members if they wanted to. Would've been a strange scenario having a supersized family in that part of the States.

[stubbs]

I saw someone post on this forum that New Orleans had several hundred made guys at one point is that true?

No, Wikipedia said they had 300 members and 3,000 associates. But the citation used was a specific page (133 maybe?) in Raab’s book “Five Families” which never mentioned that on the specific page listed. So the citation was bullshit. I doubt NOLA ever had more than 10% of that.

If they had hundreds back in the day they wouldn’t be defunct now.

Agreed 100%. Wikipedia are just articles written by anonymous assholes with no facts and huge idiotic exaggerations.

Most of the time Wikipedia is actually pretty accurate, but for some reason random people seem to love to try to sneak in random lies on mob articles... probably to make themselves look cool. Anyone remember Junior Gotti’s alleged “son” Charles Herbert Gotti back in the day? Lmao.

But like with anything, the quality of the article depends on the citations used. I don’t know how to flag incorrect articles on Wikipedia or I would’ve done so myself.

Not really any different than reading a book on the mafia, you can tell a book is pretty accurate by reading through the list of the author’s citations and reference materials.

[stubbs]

If it's true New Orleans didn't have to answer to the Commission, they could've inducted hundreds of members if they wanted to. Would've been a strange scenario having a supersized family in that part of the States.

True, and Louisiana is so corrupt you’d think even a small family there would still be able to make a killing off of drug importing and bookmaking, shaking down brothers and strip clubs, etc.

But it seems like the NOLA family was like most of those old school Sicilian families in the US, in that was content to remain small and not induct any new members over time. So they died out due to attrition.

That whole casino skim that Carolla and his crew ran in the early 90s was incredibly small time. You’d think they would’ve been silent partners in the casinos or just made their money off of shaking down unions and construction groups... but I guess they were just a small time operation by that point.