The Irishman is full of sh*t

[moneyman]

Didn't the FBI find a hair that belonged to Hoffa in Sheeran's car?

Scorcese is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time, I'm just glad he's still making movies. Soon enough every movie in theaters will be some Marvel bullshit.

[Ivan]

Didn't the FBI find a hair that belonged to Hoffa in Sheeran's car?

Scorcese is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time, I'm just glad he's still making movies. Soon enough every movie in theaters will be some Marvel bullshit.

I haven't been to a movie theater since The Wolf of Wall Street five years ago. Everything that comes out now is diverse kiddie adventure faggotry.

[JCB1977]

Frank was asked if he remembered how to get to the house. The FBI thought finding where Hoffa was killed, and investigating everything about the house, could be key to the case. Frank rattled off the driving directions from the restaurant and described the house's interior layout which was 100% accurate according to the FBI. Brandt and the FBI hired a forensic team of retired Michigan state police investigators to try to find any blood evidence. They sprayed the chemical luminol on the floors, which homicide detectives routinely use to discover the presence of blood. It was found. The testing revealed a specific pattern of blood evidence, laid out like a map of clues to the nation's most infamous unsolved murder. Little yellow numbered tags were placed throughout the first floor foyer and hallway, to mark each spot where the investigators' testing yielded positive hits.The pattern certainly told the story of how Hoffa was killed. The greatest amount of positive hits were found right next to the front door, where Hoffa's bleeding head would have hit the floor. Seven more tags lined the narrow hallway toward the rear kitchen, marking the drops that perfectly mimic Frank's story of Hoffa's lifeless body being dragged to the kitchen by the two waiting accomplices, who then stuffed it into a body bag and carried it out the back kitchen door. The FBI arranged for the Oakland County prosecutor's office to remove the floorboards for DNA testing by the FBI, though Oakland County Prosecutor David Gorcyca cautioned that it would be "a miracle" if Hoffa's DNA was recovered.

Think about it. What are the chances of any random house in America testing positive for blood traces from more than two dozen samples, in the exact pattern that corroborates a man's murder confession? What would luminol reveal under your home's floor? There are other reasons to believe why Frank's scenario fits. The house was most likely empty on that day. It was built in the 20s and owned for five decades by a single woman, Martha Sellers, a teacher and department store employee. By the summer of 1975, Sellers was in her 80s, and not even living there full time. Her family told The Detroit News and Free Press that she had bought another home in Plymouth, Mich., where she would move permanently the next year.

Frank says that a man he called "a real estater" lived in the house. The Sellers family remembered that boarder, who they recalled resided in an upstairs bedroom. He was described as "a shadowy figure . . . who would disappear. He never said more than a few words and they know nothing about him, not even his name." It is quite possible that "the real estater," was the link between the house and the Detroit mob, providing an empty house as needed, when Sellers was absent, for whatever purpose...including using it as a Mafia hit house to murder Jimmy Hoffa. The FBI clearly believed Sheeran had credibility. Agents visited him in his final years, in an unsuccessful attempt to secure his cooperation. The views of those closest to Jimmy Hoffa, his son and daughter seem especially relevant when assessing Frank's credibility. Not only did Jimmy Hoffa Jr. confirm that his father would have driven off with Frank, but his sister, Hoffa's daughter, Barbara Crancer, wrote Frank a letter begging him to come clean about their father's fate.

I'm not saying that Frank Sheeran is an honorable guy...but even the FBI said that Frank has brought more details and evidence than any other witness.

[JCB1977]

Didn't the FBI find a hair that belonged to Hoffa in Sheeran's car?

Scorcese is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time, I'm just glad he's still making movies. Soon enough every movie in theaters will be some Marvel bullshit.

The car belonged to Chucky O'Brien and the FBI strongly believes Frank was in the car. And so do Jimmy Hoffa's son and daughter.

[JCB1977]

I don't like Scorsese, which places me in a minority. This movie will probably have a ton is inaccuracies and outright lies in it. Scorsese will say what they always say: " We had expert advisors, and people who were close to him.. " The book it is based on was considered by people who follow OC to be fake on a lot of things.

EVERY movie has dramatization. It's Hollywood

[dack2001]

Certainly within the realm of plausibility that Frank Sheeran, like Chucky O'Brian, was used to lure Hoffa to where he got shot, but I don't believe for a minute that he pulled the trigger or that he is telling the truth about other murders he was involved in.

[Frank]

Certainly within the realm of plausibility that Frank Sheeran, like Chucky O'Brian, was used to lure Hoffa to where he got shot, but I don't believe for a minute that he pulled the trigger or that he is telling the truth about other murders he was involved in.

I read the book about 14 years ago. There have been others that have said that they know what happened and who did it, and where the body went to. But according to Hoffa's son, Sheeran was the only person associated with the case that he would have got in the car with. That with the blood found at the house, is about the closest LE has been to knowing something about the case.It probably is proof he was involved, and maybe pulled the trigger.But yes his credibility has gone down since the book came out. He painted himself as the Forrest Gump of the mob. Showing up in all historical mob events.

[JCB1977]

Certainly within the realm of plausibility that Frank Sheeran, like Chucky O'Brian, was used to lure Hoffa to where he got shot, but I don't believe for a minute that he pulled the trigger or that he is telling the truth about other murders he was involved in.

You don't have to believe it. The FBI believes he was there at the death scene. Whether he pulled the trigger...who knows. The fact is that the closest the FBI has ever come is based on Frank's information.

[JeremyTheJew]

From what JCB said (which is all credible and you can look everything he stated up) its hard NOT to find that specific incident to be possibly true.
The only other person who I thought might have possibly have known where/who and what happened was Zerilli. Very surprised that led to no where.

But what I dont understand is how Frank took credit for the Gallo hit. (Although some on here have said that in Peter Diapolous book that ig he might have seen Frank in Umbertos that night. In Living The Mafia by Frank DiMatteo he stated how he believed Pete the Greek was involved in the hit. Which I also believe. IDK how credible DiMatteo really was.... but thats a whole different story.



Anyways, from the article:

"Im telling you, he’s full of shit!” This is a retired contemporary of Sheeran’s, a fellow Irishman from Philadelphia named John Carlyle Berkery, who allegedly headed the city’s Irish mob for 20 years and had many close mafia connections. Berkery is a local legend, one of the few figures of that era still alive, not incarcerated, and in full possession of his wits. “Frank Sheeran never killed a fly,” he says. “The only things he ever killed were countless jugs of red wine. You could tell how drunk he was by the color of his teeth: pink, just started; dark purple, stiff.”

As well as several other quotes including a FBI agent who arrested Sheeran before all said they never heard of Frank killing anyone.

Interesting because I didnt realize there was a Irish mob Philly.

Did Iceman also claim he killed Hoffa? Or was that just Gallo?

[Lupara]

You don't have to believe it. The FBI believes he was there at the death scene.

Just curious, but can you provide a source that substantiates this?

[Lupara]

It is very well possible that Sheeran was familiar with that particular house because he was or had killed someone there before.

I doubt he killed Hoffa but I do believe he may have been in the know of how it went down.

[dack2001]

John Berkery was quite the Sheeran contemporary in the late 70's, early 80's and would have been in a position to know Sheeran's reputation on the street. Sheeran worked with guys in Philly through the labor unions and was an emissary of Bufalinos. Berkery was likely partners with Ang and Long John Martorano in the drug trade and also involved with the unions. He was a heavy hitter and would make a great subject for a book in his own right. Remember, it was Berkery who Narducci and Pete Casella tried to sell as one of the main Irish conspirators who blew up Bruno. They wouldn't have tried to sell that story if Berkery wasn't well known and respected in those circles.

On top of it, you read through Sheeran's connection with Charlie Allen and using him to kill two guys for Bufalino, the Sheeran getting indicted, miraculously acquitted and indicted again and convicted during the 80's....doesn't seem right that Provenzano or whomever would give such a task to Frank Sheeran instead of keeping in house with their own guys? I don't doubt that he and Chucky O'Brian were used to get Hoffa in the house or in the car but I doubt he killed him and I think it's pretty clear the rest are lies to sell books.

[Amershire_Ed]

I believe Sheeran was at least involved in the Hoffa hit. And as was previously stated, so do Hoffa’s kids. I’m 50-50 on the Gallo hit. A couple people placed him at the scene and it was said that Gallo had disrespected Bufalino earlier in the evening. I don’t think it’s as implausible as some are making it out to be.

But I will say George Anastasia said he spoke with Sheeran towards the end of his life and he came away from the encounter thinking Sheeran had gone completely senile.

[Amershire_Ed]

The article kinda contradicts itself in some places. It also kinda undersells Bufalino’s importance and status at the time. He also calls Brandt a medical malpractice attorney and doesn’t mention the fact that he was an actual prosecutor that prosecuted homicide cases until the very end of the article. It also doesn’t mention that Hoffa’s children think Sheeran was a major participant in the murder.

If according to Berkery, Frank actually never killed a fly, one wouldn’t think he’d be able to lead investigstors to a random house in Detroit where human blood was found under the floorboards, where he said it was gonna be.

[Ivan]

Very funny Nicky Scarfo quote regarding Sheeran from that era:

"You tell Angie that if I see that guy in Atlantic City again I'm gonna send him back to Philadelphia in six trash bags. Two for his arms, two for his legs, one for his torso, and one for that big stupid Irish head of his."