Five Alleged Members and Associates of Colombos and Gambinos Indicted

[chubby]

Another person was separately indicted, Colombo associate Joseph 'Mumbles' Rizzo, aged 50. It turns out Ciauri's loanshark enforcer began cooperating with the government after Ciauri hassled him and threatened him about a debt that he owed Ciauri.
https://www.silive.com/news/2018/07/fed ... e_nam.html

Not claiming to be the hardest man on the planet but honestly how do you live with yourself when you're connected and work collections for a Shylock and you start cooperating over a debt you asked for.. when his job is to go do the same thing that he flipped for. Going and harassing people who are delinquent on their loans... honestly if you borrow money from a shy and run to cooperate cause you can't/don't want to pay it back.. there should be a law making that illegal cause that's just fucking horrible morals.

[newera_212]

According to an old article Jerry Ciauri was Robert Zambardi's step-son. He had a bit part in the Steven Segal film Out for Justice.

classic, legendary movie... especially the specific scene that screen cap is from. they dont make em like that anymore. Segal doing the NY accent, and the crack smoking mob solider who went off the reservation, were ridiculous.

that movie came out in 91 or 92, so Ciauri would have been in his early 30s in that scene. he looked old for his age in the movie...cant imagine how he must look now at almost 60 lol

wonder what type of money these guys were moving around. always kinda wondered how modern day shylocks do. cant be anything like it was. i can see immigrants being the biggest shy customers but the chinese, dominicans, etc... all have 'their own' people to go to. I wonder what the demographic of LCN loanshark customers is? its gotta be primarily losing gamblers and/or other LCN associates themselves...

[gohnjotti]

According to an old article Jerry Ciauri was Robert Zambardi's step-son. He had a bit part in the Steven Segal film Out for Justice.

that movie came out in 91 or 92, so Ciauri would have been in his early 30s in that scene. he looked old for his age in the movie...cant imagine how he must look now at almost 60 lol

I posted a recent photo of him in the Mugshots section.

[newera_212]

According to an old article Jerry Ciauri was Robert Zambardi's step-son. He had a bit part in the Steven Segal film Out for Justice.

that movie came out in 91 or 92, so Ciauri would have been in his early 30s in that scene. he looked old for his age in the movie...cant imagine how he must look now at almost 60 lol

I posted a recent photo of him in the Mugshots section.

nice thanks im gonna check that out, along w the actual indictment

[Wiseguy]

wonder what type of money these guys were moving around. always kinda wondered how modern day shylocks do. cant be anything like it was. i can see immigrants being the biggest shy customers but the chinese, dominicans, etc... all have 'their own' people to go to. I wonder what the demographic of LCN loanshark customers is? its gotta be primarily losing gamblers and/or other LCN associates themselves...

I was just reading about that in a book by a former mob prosecutor. He was saying mob loansharks prospered in the past because they financed all kinds of basic needs for people in ethnic urban areas who did not have easy access to credit from other sources. However, in the last several decades we have seen a revolution in consumer credit with credit cards, money stores, payday loan companies, small business lending, etc. As a result, most people who use loansharks now are those unable to access credit in any other way, i.e. gamblers who can't pay their debts, low-level drug dealers looking for a short-term loan to finance narcotics purchases, etc.

[SonnyBlackstein]

consumer credit with credit cards, money stores, payday loan companies, small business lending, etc.

So who is the bad guy?
Seriously?
If lending money at 25% is criminal, and 23% is legal, then technically the line is 24%. Right?
But who here thinks a 25% rate is criminal but a 23% is perfectly fine?
Seriously. Think about this for a second.

Why is 25% wrong? On a moral level. Well, because it’s effectively stealing, it’s too much.
On a moral level we say, ‘that level of interest is greedy, it’s not fair, it’s hurting someone egregiously. It’s not a fair repayment.

Yet 2% lower and there is zero moral difference? The minor legal line shift equates to a new moral dimension?

Think about 23% interest. What it does, on a decent level of debt. It DESTROYS people. It DESTROYS families.

I want everyone to think about this:
The US Federal Interst rate is at 1.75%.

I’ll say that again.
The US Federal interest rate is at 1.75%.
Credit card companies are currently charging over TWENTY PERCENT INTEREST. When...

US FEDERAL INTEREST RATES ARE AT 1.75%.

That’s over ten times the federal amount.

How is that not criminal?
Seriously?

And how is only 2% higher, ursury?
Morally wrong.

If we want to talk what’s moral. Ethical. Then we need to include a WHOLE group of industries and people.

Being legally right is no moral standard.

And frankly when the federal lending rate is at 1.75% and you’re charging over ten times that amount, yeah, talking about credit card companies, my response is this, go fuck yourself, because you are the mafia.
There is no argument to justify that. And when you can’t, fuck you, because being legal doesn’t mean you fucks get to act like you didn’t fuck someone.

When you pricks mow your lawns on a Saturday, know that EVERY one of your neighbors is a better person than you.

Money won’t buy you happiness cock sucker.

Rant over.

[Wiseguy]

consumer credit with credit cards, money stores, payday loan companies, small business lending, etc.

So who is the bad guy?
Seriously?
If lending money at 25% is criminal, and 23% is legal, then technically the line is 24%. Right?
But who here thinks a 25% rate is criminal but a 23% is perfectly fine?
Seriously. Think about this for a second.

Why is 25% wrong? On a moral level. Well, because it’s effectively stealing, it’s too much.
On a moral level we say, ‘that level of interest is greedy, it’s not fair, it’s hurting someone egregiously. It’s not a fair repayment.

Yet 2% lower and there is zero moral difference? The minor legal line shift equates to a new moral dimension?

Think about 23% interest. What it does, on a decent level of debt. It DESTROYS people. It DESTROYS families.

I want everyone to think about this:
The US Federal Interst rate is at 1.75%.

I’ll say that again.
The US Federal interest rate is at 1.75%.
Credit card companies are currently charging over TWENTY PERCENT INTEREST. When...

US FEDERAL INTEREST RATES ARE AT 1.75%.

That’s over ten times the federal amount.

How is that not criminal?
Seriously?

And how is only 2% higher, ursury?
Morally wrong.

If we want to talk what’s moral. Ethical. Then we need to include a WHOLE group of industries and people.

Being legally right is no moral standard.

And frankly when the federal lending rate is at 1.75% and you’re charging over ten times that amount, yeah, talking about credit card companies, my response is this, go fuck yourself, because you are the mafia.
There is no argument to justify that. And when you can’t, fuck you, because being legal doesn’t mean you fucks get to act like you didn’t fuck someone.

When you pricks mow your lawns on a Saturday, know that EVERY one of your neighbors is a better person than you.

Money won’t buy you happiness cock sucker.

Rant over.

I agree. The credit card companies are very predatory. Which is one reason I've never owned one. Them technically being legal doesn't change that. And I would say the same thing about a company that sells alcohol or tobacco. They are just as bad as any drug cartel.

[Snakes]

The big difference is the violence. Not saying I'm a fan of the government utilizing the same rackets as the mob but violence, the potential of violence,or even a past history of violence is what keeps the feds going after the mob, gangs, etc.

[Uncle Pete]

It should be noted that Fat Jerry Ciauri is probably the same person that Larry Mazza called Fat Jerry Chiarri, a former Wimpy Boys member. His age matches up with the ages of the other Wimpy Boys. Jerry was a leg breaker and goon, but as Larry says, anybody in the Wimpy Boys was/is “makeable.”

Thanks for this info Gohn!

Anyone know who could be running what’s left of the Wimpy Boys/13th Ave crew these days?

There’s been a few isolated incidents of small Colombo busts the past few years. Johny Brains Cerbone, Lukey D, Big Mike Castellano etc. I’d assume the Feds have pressed these guys to roll and have had no luck. Thinking maybe the Colombo war prosecutions have run its course and guys are now willing to do the time for what they are getting pinched for

[gohnjotti]

It should be noted that Fat Jerry Ciauri is probably the same person that Larry Mazza called Fat Jerry Chiarri, a former Wimpy Boys member. His age matches up with the ages of the other Wimpy Boys. Jerry was a leg breaker and goon, but as Larry says, anybody in the Wimpy Boys was/is “makeable.”

Thanks for this info Gohn!

Anyone know who could be running what’s left of the Wimpy Boys/13th Ave crew these days?

There’s been a few isolated incidents of small Colombo busts the past few years. Johny Brains Cerbone, Lukey D, Big Mike Castellano etc. I’d assume the Feds have pressed these guys to roll and have had no luck. Thinking maybe the Colombo war prosecutions have run its course and guys are now willing to do the time for what they are getting pinched for

There are five known, current inducted Wimpy Boys. Daniel ‘Fat Danny’ Capaldo, Ilario ‘Fat Larry’ Sessa and Joseph ‘Joey’ Savarese are known to have been in or at least worked closely with the crew of Colombo LCN capo Theodore ‘Skinny Teddy’ Persico Jr. and former Colombo LCN acting capo Anthony ‘Big Anthony’ Russo.
Jerome ‘Fat Jerry’ Ciauri has operations in Brooklyn and Staten Island and his loansharking, gambling, and money laundering partner, Colombo LCN soldier Vito ‘Victor’ ‘the Mask’ Difalco operated out of a Dyker Heights bar named ‘Tryst Lounge and Bar.’ That’s all we have to go on regarding what crew he’s in.
The last of the five is Gregory Scarpa Jr., whose serving heavy time.

It also should be noted that in 1989(?) Colombo LCN acting boss Victor ‘Little Vic’ Orena split up the inducted Wimpy Boys and Larry Mazza considered them, at that point, to no longer be a functioning crew. However, they didn’t rejoin out of necessity during the Third Colombo War, as Mazza’s book indicates. Who knows how tight knit they are nowadays.

[UTC]

consumer credit with credit cards, money stores, payday loan companies, small business lending, etc.

So who is the bad guy?
Seriously?
If lending money at 25% is criminal, and 23% is legal, then technically the line is 24%. Right?
But who here thinks a 25% rate is criminal but a 23% is perfectly fine?
Seriously. Think about this for a second.

Why is 25% wrong? On a moral level. Well, because it’s effectively stealing, it’s too much.
On a moral level we say, ‘that level of interest is greedy, it’s not fair, it’s hurting someone egregiously. It’s not a fair repayment.

Yet 2% lower and there is zero moral difference? The minor legal line shift equates to a new moral dimension?

Think about 23% interest. What it does, on a decent level of debt. It DESTROYS people. It DESTROYS families.

I want everyone to think about this:
The US Federal Interst rate is at 1.75%.

I’ll say that again.
The US Federal interest rate is at 1.75%.
Credit card companies are currently charging over TWENTY PERCENT INTEREST. When...

US FEDERAL INTEREST RATES ARE AT 1.75%.

That’s over ten times the federal amount.

How is that not criminal?
Seriously?

And how is only 2% higher, ursury?
Morally wrong.

If we want to talk what’s moral. Ethical. Then we need to include a WHOLE group of industries and people.

Being legally right is no moral standard.

And frankly when the federal lending rate is at 1.75% and you’re charging over ten times that amount, yeah, talking about credit card companies, my response is this, go fuck yourself, because you are the mafia.
There is no argument to justify that. And when you can’t, fuck you, because being legal doesn’t mean you fucks get to act like you didn’t fuck someone.

When you pricks mow your lawns on a Saturday, know that EVERY one of your neighbors is a better person than you.

Money won’t buy you happiness cock sucker.

Rant over.

There is a reason why pay day loan people often have shady backgrounds.

[JeremyTheJew]

It should be noted that Fat Jerry Ciauri is probably the same person that Larry Mazza called Fat Jerry Chiarri, a former Wimpy Boys member. His age matches up with the ages of the other Wimpy Boys. Jerry was a leg breaker and goon, but as Larry says, anybody in the Wimpy Boys was/is “makeable.”

Thanks for this info Gohn!

Anyone know who could be running what’s left of the Wimpy Boys/13th Ave crew these days?

There’s been a few isolated incidents of small Colombo busts the past few years. Johny Brains Cerbone, Lukey D, Big Mike Castellano etc. I’d assume the Feds have pressed these guys to roll and have had no luck. Thinking maybe the Colombo war prosecutions have run its course and guys are now willing to do the time for what they are getting pinched for

There are five known, current inducted Wimpy Boys. Daniel ‘Fat Danny’ Capaldo, Ilario ‘Fat Larry’ Sessa and Joseph ‘Joey’ Savarese are known to have been in or at least worked closely with the crew of Colombo LCN capo Theodore ‘Skinny Teddy’ Persico Jr. and former Colombo LCN acting capo Anthony ‘Big Anthony’ Russo.
Jerome ‘Fat Jerry’ Ciauri has operations in Brooklyn and Staten Island and his loansharking, gambling, and money laundering partner, Colombo LCN soldier Vito ‘Victor’ ‘the Mask’ Difalco operated out of a Dyker Heights bar named ‘Tryst Lounge and Bar.’ That’s all we have to go on regarding what crew he’s in.
The last of the five is Gregory Scarpa Jr., whose serving heavy time.

It also should be noted that in 1989(?) Colombo LCN acting boss Victor ‘Little Vic’ Orena split up the inducted Wimpy Boys and Larry Mazza considered them, at that point, to no longer be a functioning crew. However, they didn’t rejoin out of necessity during the Third Colombo War, as Mazza’s book indicates. Who knows how tight knit they are nowadays.

And also Scarpa Jr was the capo of that crew as well, correct?

[gohnjotti]

Gregory Scarpa Jr. was the acting capo of the crew following the imprisonment of capo Anthony ‘Scappy’ Scarpati although Scarpati was supposedly a puppet for Gregory Scarpa Sr.

[gohnjotti]

According to “Deal with the Devil,” the book on Greg Scarpa and Lin DeVecchio, Robert ‘Bobby Zam’ Zambardi and “his stepson Jerry Boy Chiari” attended a March 1991 meeting with acting boss Victor ‘Little Vic’ Orena to discuss Ciauri’s proposal into the family.
“According to (Joseph ‘Joey Brains’) Ambrosino, Orena told Ciauri that “if he behaves himself and... gets out of the drug business, that he (Orena) would make sure he got ‘straightened out,’” i.e., “made.””

Ciauri was arrested in 1993 with James Besser a.k.a. James Zerilli, another Wimpy Boys hangaround, with state enterprise corruption charges including conspiracy to murder Vic Orena and shaking down the owner of a Cropsey Avenue grocery store for protection money.

[maxiestern11]

“Richard P. Donoghue, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, William F. Sweeney, Jr., Assistant Director-in-Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, New York Field Office (FBI), and James P. O’Neill, Commissioner, New York City Police Department (NYPD), announced the charges.”

I’d like people to note this.


The US Attorney for the Eastern district of NY, the Assistant Director of the FBI for NY and the FUCKING COMMISSIONER OF THE NYPD announced the charges against..... wait for it... wait for it... 3 made guys accused of GAMBLING AND LOAN.

Can we all think about that.

A couple of guys taking bets (which is legal at casinos and... most of the western world) and giving loans out (go check out a million payday loan firms, credit card companies and note their credit rates) and this draws out the three highest law officials in a city of twenty million people.

Are you fucking kidding.

Go arrest MS13 members cutting people up with machetes or the cartels importing tons of Herion into NYC ya fucking political, career orientated, selfish fucks.
The commissioner of the NYPD has nothing better to do than three guys taking bets in NYC.

What. A. Joke.

Who says Italians aren’t special eh.

What a joke.

Great point Sonny!