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Confederate wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:46 pm It would be interesting to see how the Feds found out about Matassa's scheme since the Social Security office already had approved it and he was receiving benefits. Somebody informed on him but I didn't read if they had any witnesses. Looks like Sallett has the hammer in one hand and the nails in the other. The fact that Matassa had to resort to committing Social Security Fraud which involved several big Felonies in order to collect a relatively small amount of money each month (early retirement) from the Government shows how pathetic these leftover Outfit guys really are today in my opinion.
someone from the union could of easly tipped of the feds ,
He was sectary treasure of local 707 , put his wife on the payroll to lower his income (divert his normal salary to her) , so he could collect social security and claim to be making lower then the exemept amount. They dont really need any to many informents he did it right out in the open
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Stroccos wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:57 pm
Confederate wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:46 pm It would be interesting to see how the Feds found out about Matassa's scheme since the Social Security office already had approved it and he was receiving benefits. Somebody informed on him but I didn't read if they had any witnesses. Looks like Sallett has the hammer in one hand and the nails in the other. The fact that Matassa had to resort to committing Social Security Fraud which involved several big Felonies in order to collect a relatively small amount of money each month (early retirement) from the Government shows how pathetic these leftover Outfit guys really are today in my opinion.
someone from the union could of easly tipped of the feds ,
He was sectary treasure of local 707 , put his wife on the payroll to lower his income (divert his normal salary to her) , so he could collect social security and claim to be making lower then the exemept amount. They dont really need any to many informents he did it right out in the open
Yes, it could be what you said or one of the (2) high level informants told someone about it. Who knows? Matassa was supposed to be an upper echelon leader of Outfit and he committed a few felonies to make an extra $1,500 a month (lol). Apparently no money is flowing upward to him. The Outfit in 2019 is not interesting at all. Researching the Old Outfit was much more interesting. Today, they are like a glorified street gang that is dying with no leadership or direction. Seems like these leftover guys are doing whatever they can on their own just to survive. The older leadership seems to have backed away so they won't go to Jail. As soon as they are all dead, you'll just have a few guys left doing things on their own not connected to anything. Just my opinion.
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Wiseguy wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:10 pm
cavita wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:47 pm They must be much more than dead or on their last legs if Sallett wants to make them a priority to go after.
Sallett has said himself that "The New York families are still a problem but in most of the rest of the country the LCN is not a priority for law enforcement."

Of course, that doesn't mean they still won't bring a case if there's one to be made.
According to Sallett the outfit is a criminal force, heavily involved in labor racketeering and other crimes and made a point to say he hasn’t forgotten about them. Of course wise guy likes to try and cherry pick one comment to push forward his talking points. Although I agree with most on here that the outfit is severely weakened and could be getting close to the finish line we have to go by what LE says and the head of the fbi in Chicago would be the best source for this info

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicag ... t/2714190/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicag ... d/3550181/
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Pete wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:22 pmAccording to Sallett the outfit is a criminal force, heavily involved in labor racketeering and other crimes and made a point to say he hasn’t forgotten about them. Of course wise guy likes to try and cherry pick one comment to push forward his talking points. Although I agree with most on here that the outfit is severely weakened and could be getting close to the finish line we have to go by what LE says and the head of the fbi in Chicago would be the best source for this info

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicag ... t/2714190/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicag ... d/3550181/
There's that Chicago poster mentality we were talking about. Good to have you back, Pete.

First, I know Sallet said the FBI hasn't forgotten the Outfit but where did he say they are heavily involved in labor racketeering?

Second, I'm not cherrypicking anything. I actually go to the trouble of compiling comments like those from Sallet to get the best idea of things. And the general consensus is that, while the LCN remains a priority in New York, it's a low priority/non-priority elsewhere in the country.

Third, in one of those articles John Binder says the Outfit is "involved in the wholesaling and to some extent importation of cocaine and heroin that gangs sell on city streets." Not sure what he's basing that on.
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Wiseguy wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:42 pm
Pete wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:22 pmAccording to Sallett the outfit is a criminal force, heavily involved in labor racketeering and other crimes and made a point to say he hasn’t forgotten about them. Of course wise guy likes to try and cherry pick one comment to push forward his talking points. Although I agree with most on here that the outfit is severely weakened and could be getting close to the finish line we have to go by what LE says and the head of the fbi in Chicago would be the best source for this info

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicag ... t/2714190/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicag ... d/3550181/
There's that Chicago poster mentality we were talking about. Good to have you back, Pete.

First, I know Sallet said the FBI hasn't forgotten the Outfit but where did he say they are heavily involved in labor racketeering?

Second, I'm not cherrypicking anything. I actually go to the trouble of compiling comments like those from Sallet to get the best idea of things. And the general consensus is that, while the LCN remains a priority in New York, it's a low priority/non-priority elsewhere in the country.

Third, in one of those articles John Binder says the Outfit is "involved in the wholesaling and to some extent importation of cocaine and heroin that gangs sell on city streets." Not sure what he's basing that on.
If you watched the videos I linked they say according to Sallett they are heavily involved in labor racketeering which I found surprising as I thought that had for the most part dried up. And he himself said the outfit is a priority for him so that goes against the comment you are mentioning which you provided no link to. As I said I don’t think there is too much going on with the outfit these days but if you are gonna say things that conflicts with the head of the fbi in Chicago I’m gonna have to call you out. The fbi is our best source for information. And thanks for welcoming me back, good to be back
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Pete wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:43 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:42 pm
Pete wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:22 pmAccording to Sallett the outfit is a criminal force, heavily involved in labor racketeering and other crimes and made a point to say he hasn’t forgotten about them. Of course wise guy likes to try and cherry pick one comment to push forward his talking points. Although I agree with most on here that the outfit is severely weakened and could be getting close to the finish line we have to go by what LE says and the head of the fbi in Chicago would be the best source for this info

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicag ... t/2714190/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicag ... d/3550181/
There's that Chicago poster mentality we were talking about. Good to have you back, Pete.

First, I know Sallet said the FBI hasn't forgotten the Outfit but where did he say they are heavily involved in labor racketeering?

Second, I'm not cherrypicking anything. I actually go to the trouble of compiling comments like those from Sallet to get the best idea of things. And the general consensus is that, while the LCN remains a priority in New York, it's a low priority/non-priority elsewhere in the country.

Third, in one of those articles John Binder says the Outfit is "involved in the wholesaling and to some extent importation of cocaine and heroin that gangs sell on city streets." Not sure what he's basing that on.
If you watched the videos I linked they say according to Sallett they are heavily involved in labor racketeering which I found surprising as I thought that had for the most part dried up. And he himself said the outfit is a priority for him so that goes against the comment you are mentioning which you provided no link to. As I said I don’t think there is too much going on with the outfit these days but if you are gonna say things that conflicts with the head of the fbi in Chicago I’m gonna have to call you out. The fbi is our best source for information. And thanks for welcoming me back, good to be back
First, you're right, Pete. By now I should be accustomed to doing your research for you (and a lot of other people).
Sallet's comment that I quoted is in the new prologue to Selwyn Raab's book Five Families (see link below).

https://books.google.com/books?id=VhRmD ... em&f=false

You can also read this excerpt from a report on the LCN from 20 years ago that is still the case today.

La Cosa Nostra is a high priority for the FBI and for law enforcement in New York City. Elsewhere, however, it is a low priority, with attention being characterized by members as "hit and miss" because of a belief that "things are under control."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... saqUUvYXR1

That has been the relative, overall, big-picture, state of things for years. However, individual area priorities may fluctuate, at least on a short-term basis. When Sallet was the FBI SAC in New England in 2011, he said the LCN "remained the top organized crime threat in the northeastern New England states." I'm not sure he would say now after making the case against Mannochio and moving on.


Second, the fact that Sallet has to say, "We haven't forgotten about you," gives you an idea of where the Outfit is in terms of priorities. Moreover, what have I said is the one thing I put even more stock in than what the feds say? Answer: What they do. And since 2003, the FBI in Chicago has had one 12-agent squad which, as part of their duties, is to investigate the Outfit.


Third, as for Sallet's comment in the second video about "organized crime in Chicago is still a potent force in labor racketeering and money laundering," we did see both Pudgy Matassa and James Coli charged in 2017. And over the past 20 years or so we have seen union cases here and there in Chicago that often fly under the radar because they have tenuous or unclear links to the Outfit. For example, one case may involve a union that has had historical links to the mob but present links are harder to determine. Or we may see a case where the people involved are children or relatives of deceased Outfit members, and these descendants may be doing some shady things, but it's unclear how much of what they're doing is overseen by or benefits the Outfit; at least directly.


Anyway, what I said (or actually what Sallet said) about the relative LCN priorities in New York and everywhere else don't really conflict with anything he said more recently in Chicago.
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In the second video, The news reporter (Chuck Goudie) says around 1:53 that the Outfit is heavily involved in labor racketeering and money laundering but Sallett himself never actually says it. So, one has to wonder if Goudie is quoting Sallett accurately because Sallet never said those words?
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No, Almighty Simon City Royals, Gaylords (still around), Insane Popes, Insane Deuces and white affiliates of Folk Nation. White Chicago street gangs have also entered Deep South states, notably Mississippi.
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I saw Burnstein's article on the sentencing, said he was working out of a massage parlor/brothel. Anyone know which one? We've got a shit load of shady massage parlors in the neighborhood.
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Interesting it seems like Chicago is still around. They def aren’t afraid to work with non Italians. I’d love to know what kinda shit this guy master minded
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That article is almost 3 years old. Pretty sure the Outfit isn’t just Italian
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In news that seems to have flown under the radar, Jeffrey Sallet is moving on as head of Chicago's FBI office:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/cri ... story.html
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Snakes wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:32 am In news that seems to have flown under the radar, Jeffrey Sallet is moving on as head of Chicago's FBI office:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/cri ... story.html
Looks like that supposed upcoming big Outfit case might never happen. They're taking so long that anyone worth putting on trial is dying of old age.
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They had a ton of Intel on this guy Bobby Pannozzo, He was committing crimes left n right, Hes lucky he only got 18. This guy is as evil as they come, Had his own son committing crimes with and for him, And I think he was Vena's top active go to guy for everything and anything
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