Philly murder plot

[slimshady_007]

Does anyone know the specifics behind the plot to whack joe ligambi steve mazzone and george borgesi in 2000? I remember reading that dead genovese soldier larry ricci had something to do with the plot and that philly capo turned rat pete caprio was in on the plot as well. Anyone know anything else about the whole situation?

[Pogo The Clown]

Gambino Capo Anthony Proto, Genovese Soldier Victor Alberti (and probably Larry Ricci) and NJ Capo Pete Caprio wanted to set up a video poker machine operation in Philly but felt Ligambi (who NY didn't recognize at the time) wouldn’t go along with it. So they plotted to kill him. They felt if Ligambi had to go so would his nephew Borgesi and Mazzone. They were going to lure them to a warehouse in Jersey where Caprio and Associate Raymond “Frenchy” Lepore would kill them and then bury them (either Proto or Alberti was going to dig the hole and dispose of the bodies). Afterwards Caprio would become boss and move the headquarters of the family to North Jersey. Associate Danny D’Amborsia would be inducted into the family and then promoted to UnderBoss and Marty Angelina would be made Consigliere. I don’t know if Angelina was part of the plot or if that was just a move to placate the remaining Merlino guy’s after the fact (probably the latter). Carpio was indicted and flipped before they could carry it out.


Pogo

[slimshady_007]

I wonder how badly this situation effected Philly’s relationship with ny.

[dack2001]

Ralph Natale was recorded pushing the plot with Caprio and D'Ambrosia from lock-up. This came out during discovery for the RICO case. The guys from downtown philly may have known about it, Ron Turchi was hit in 1999 and he was close to Ralph. Would not surprise me one bit if the hit on Turchi wasn't directly or indirectly related to this plot. Turchi had pushed New York to take over before Ralph got out and he and Ralph were close with the unions before and during Ralphs prison stint. Caprio got arrested after Philly Faye Casale got picked up and spilled the beans on the plot. I would guess the Genoveses did a lot of denying.

[B.]

Ralph Natale was recorded pushing the plot with Caprio and D'Ambrosia from lock-up. This came out during discovery for the RICO case. The guys from downtown philly may have known about it, Ron Turchi was hit in 1999 and he was close to Ralph. Would not surprise me one bit if the hit on Turchi wasn't directly or indirectly related to this plot. Turchi had pushed New York to take over before Ralph got out and he and Ralph were close with the unions before and during Ralphs prison stint. Caprio got arrested after Philly Faye Casale got picked up and spilled the beans on the plot. I would guess the Genoveses did a lot of denying.

Even with Mazzone and Borgesi gone, there were enough killers loyal to them in South Philly that inevitably there would have been a war against Caprio and Turchi. Seems it would have been a win/win for the Genovese who could have used the unrest to their advantage, much like they are alleged to have done with Caponigro / Bruno.

This is also the first I've read about the plan to put Angelina in as consigliere. Can't imagine that would placate that faction.

[Stroccos]

Gambino Capo Anthony Proto, Genovese Soldier Victor Alberti (and probably Larry Ricci) and NJ Capo Pete Caprio wanted to set up a video poker machine operation in Philly but felt Ligambi (who NY didn't recognize at the time) wouldn’t go along with it. So they plotted to kill him. They felt if Ligambi had to go so would his nephew Borgesi and Mazzone. They were going to lure them to a warehouse in Jersey where Caprio and Associate Raymond “Frenchy” Lepore would kill them and then bury them (either Proto or Alberti was going to dig the hole and dispose of the bodies). Afterwards Caprio would become boss and move the headquarters of the family to North Jersey. Associate Danny D’Amborsia would be inducted into the family and then promoted to UnderBoss and Marty Angelina would be made Consigliere. I don’t know if Angelina was part of the plot or if that was just a move to placate the remaining Merlino guy’s after the fact (probably the latter). Carpio was indicted and flipped before they could carry it out.


Pogo

I believe Vincent "Beeps" Centorino was some how involved as well

[slimshady_007]

Ralph Natale was recorded pushing the plot with Caprio and D'Ambrosia from lock-up. This came out during discovery for the RICO case. The guys from downtown philly may have known about it, Ron Turchi was hit in 1999 and he was close to Ralph. Would not surprise me one bit if the hit on Turchi wasn't directly or indirectly related to this plot. Turchi had pushed New York to take over before Ralph got out and he and Ralph were close with the unions before and during Ralphs prison stint. Caprio got arrested after Philly Faye Casale got picked up and spilled the beans on the plot. I would guess the Genoveses did a lot of denying.

Even with Mazzone and Borgesi gone, there were enough killers loyal to them in South Philly that inevitably there would have been a war against Caprio and Turchi. Seems it would have been a win/win for the Genovese who could have used the unrest to their advantage, much like they are alleged to have done with Caponigro / Bruno.

This is also the first I've read about the plan to put Angelina in as consigliere. Can't imagine that would placate that faction.

The genovese fam sound like a bunch of greedy snakes.

[Wiseguy]

The genovese fam sound like a bunch of greedy snakes.

Well, they are gangsters. Sort of comes with the territory.

[eboli]

The genovese fam sound like a bunch of greedy snakes.

They are all greedy. The difference is some are greedy and smart while others are greedy and stupid. Pogo's avatar reminded me of this scene. It's pretty much how it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0P5oM9dIHw

[jmack]

Ralph Natale was recorded pushing the plot with Caprio and D'Ambrosia from lock-up. This came out during discovery for the RICO case. The guys from downtown philly may have known about it, Ron Turchi was hit in 1999 and he was close to Ralph. Would not surprise me one bit if the hit on Turchi wasn't directly or indirectly related to this plot. Turchi had pushed New York to take over before Ralph got out and he and Ralph were close with the unions before and during Ralphs prison stint. Caprio got arrested after Philly Faye Casale got picked up and spilled the beans on the plot. I would guess the Genoveses did a lot of denying.

Even with Mazzone and Borgesi gone, there were enough killers loyal to them in South Philly that inevitably there would have been a war against Caprio and Turchi. Seems it would have been a win/win for the Genovese who could have used the unrest to their advantage, much like they are alleged to have done with Caponigro / Bruno.

This is also the first I've read about the plan to put Angelina in as consigliere. Can't imagine that would placate that faction.

The genovese fam sound like a bunch of greedy snakes.

Why would this be surprising? They are gangsters. If they can advance their own interests, at the expense of others, they certainly won’t hesitate. It’s on page 4 of the boss manual....

[slimshady_007]

Only thing that confuses me is the west side’s motives. Their already generating big money from nyc and nj, so why make a move on philly just for extra cash? The greed is unbelievable.

[Fughedaboutit]

Only thing that confuses me is the west side’s motives. Their already generating big money from nyc and nj, so why make a move on philly just for extra cash? The greed is unbelievable.

Same reason Funzi gave Caponigro the okay to kill Bruno then when he was called in said IDK what you are talking about lol

[eboli]

Same reason Funzi gave Caponigro the okay to kill Bruno then when he was called in said IDK what you are talking about lol

It's a bit different though. Tony Caponigro screwed over the Genovese with the 2 million dollars bookmaking operation he had set up in Newark. Later on Funzi exploited steered that greed towards Bruno - the reason why Tony managed to keep the racket for himself for so long.

[newera_212]

Only thing that confuses me is the west side’s motives. Their already generating big money from nyc and nj, so why make a move on philly just for extra cash? The greed is unbelievable.

you're thinking logically though. and it makes sense...you already have the whole world in and around NY and you're plugged into everything, running relatively smooth, making money from all sides. why risk killing the sitting boss of another family, in a city you're not even from or know well like that - all so you can set up at the worst, one more gambling operation - or at the best, a satellite crew down there?

thinking rationally, it doesnt seem worth the risk, and trouble you could get from the law and other LCN members

but these guys dont think like that. its in their nature or in their blood to try and get over as much as humanly possible on literally everyone and everything.

if the plot worked and the genovese guys could get the new renegade philly leadership to cut them in on some poker machines, it could open the door to more gambling. maybe bookmaking, thaen maybe being allowed to put money out on the street, etc... and could potentially turn into millions of dollars a year that they werent getting before when Ligambi & Co. were in charge

compared to the Caponigro plot, this plot seemed to not involve the higher ups, just a couple of guys working on their own. im sure the admin wouldnt have turned down the additional income coming their way, but with all that was going on at the time..all of the families regrouping and trying to settle after a crazy mid 90s..i doubt the Genovese admin would have "sanctioned" a hit on Ligambi themselves

[Fughedaboutit]

Same reason Funzi gave Caponigro the okay to kill Bruno then when he was called in said IDK what you are talking about lol

It's a bit different though. Tony Caponigro screwed over the Genovese with the 2 million dollars bookmaking operation he had set up in Newark. Later on Funzi exploited steered that greed towards Bruno - the reason why Tony managed to keep the racket for himself for so long.

Screwed them how? It was his operation wasnt it? Funzi wanted it and was voted against in a sit down I thought? So he got mad and found another way to get it