I don't know anything about Montreal and i get the post-Massino Bonanno's mixed up so i'm probably way off, but is it possible that NYC guy could be Vinny Badalamenti? It's been mentioned a number of times he has ties to Sicily and i believe he was one of the top Bonanno's after Montagna was deported. Obviously there's no real way to know it's just that's the first name that popped out for me and i was wondering if there was a reason it couldn't be him.
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I hope y'all keep this up over the next 2 days, will make my boredom much better.
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From Chapter 3....
Vito Rizzuto suspects that a hurricane is forming in the United States that could prevail. The first black clouds arrive from New York.
When New York mafiosi have an important message to deliver to their counterparts in Montreal - and vice versa - they do not use the phone or any other means that could leave traces or be intercepted. Rather, they board a car and drive seven hours to get the message out directly, by word of mouth. One morning, a member of the Gambino clan - one of the five mafia families of "the city that never sleeps" - crosses the border and meets Vito Rizzuto in a Longueuil restaurant owned by a Sicilian. Rizzuto is very rarely, if ever, on the south shore of Montreal. The hour would be serious. The police, watching the scene, believe that it is during this unusual encounter that, for the first time, the mafia godfather learns that his past could catch up with him and defeat him.
"There are nights when I have to get drunk to sleep," Vito Rizzuto had already said, presumably inhabited by images repressed for decades.
On the evening of May 5, 1981, three captains of the New York Mafia are summoned to a meeting in the restaurant of a social club in Brooklyn. The three men, Alphonse "Sonny Red" Indelicato, Dominick "Big Trin" Trinchera and Philip Giaccone, whose nickname "Philly Lucky" will soon lose all meaning, are at loggerheads with the leaders of the Bonanno clan. They are represented by another of their captains, Joseph Massino, who invited his three counterparts to this meeting to settle their differences. The three guests are not armed, as is the rule for this kind of meeting. But the tension is such that the three mafiosi have asked their henchmen to be armed and to wait for them in their headquarters, in case things get out of hand.
Arrived at the rendezvous, Indelicato, Trinchera and Giaccone are escorted by Gerlando Sciascia - "George of Canada" - who leads them to the room where Massino and other men are waiting for them. Participants sit around a table, the discussion begins when Sciascia smooths her hair with her hand. This is the signal: closet doors open suddenly and armed men leap out shouting: "It's a hold-up! "Then begins a carnage. Trinchera and Giaccone are mortally wounded while Indelicato tries to flee. But he is hit with several bullets. The case, which was settled in a few seconds, is restored in the film Donnie Brasco, in which the actor Johnny Depp personifies the double agent of the police Joe Pistone.
Twenty days later, children playing on a vacant lot on Ruby Street, in the Ozone Park area of southwestern Queens, see a piece of foot or hand coming out of the ground and alerting their parents. New York police officers are moving and the vacant lot is quickly becoming a hotbed of activity. The investigators turn into archaeologists and exhume the body of a man still wearing a Cartier watch whose time stopped at 5:58, May 7. It's Alphonse Indelicato.
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For a long time, a self-taught, Mafia-praised RCMP investigator had an old photograph with four individuals coming out of a New York motel and getting ready to get into a car. morning of May 6, 1981, the day after the killings of the three captains of the Bonanno clan
Vito Rizzuto suspects that a hurricane is forming in the United States that could prevail. The first black clouds arrive from New York.
When New York mafiosi have an important message to deliver to their counterparts in Montreal - and vice versa - they do not use the phone or any other means that could leave traces or be intercepted. Rather, they board a car and drive seven hours to get the message out directly, by word of mouth. One morning, a member of the Gambino clan - one of the five mafia families of "the city that never sleeps" - crosses the border and meets Vito Rizzuto in a Longueuil restaurant owned by a Sicilian. Rizzuto is very rarely, if ever, on the south shore of Montreal. The hour would be serious. The police, watching the scene, believe that it is during this unusual encounter that, for the first time, the mafia godfather learns that his past could catch up with him and defeat him.
"There are nights when I have to get drunk to sleep," Vito Rizzuto had already said, presumably inhabited by images repressed for decades.
On the evening of May 5, 1981, three captains of the New York Mafia are summoned to a meeting in the restaurant of a social club in Brooklyn. The three men, Alphonse "Sonny Red" Indelicato, Dominick "Big Trin" Trinchera and Philip Giaccone, whose nickname "Philly Lucky" will soon lose all meaning, are at loggerheads with the leaders of the Bonanno clan. They are represented by another of their captains, Joseph Massino, who invited his three counterparts to this meeting to settle their differences. The three guests are not armed, as is the rule for this kind of meeting. But the tension is such that the three mafiosi have asked their henchmen to be armed and to wait for them in their headquarters, in case things get out of hand.
Arrived at the rendezvous, Indelicato, Trinchera and Giaccone are escorted by Gerlando Sciascia - "George of Canada" - who leads them to the room where Massino and other men are waiting for them. Participants sit around a table, the discussion begins when Sciascia smooths her hair with her hand. This is the signal: closet doors open suddenly and armed men leap out shouting: "It's a hold-up! "Then begins a carnage. Trinchera and Giaccone are mortally wounded while Indelicato tries to flee. But he is hit with several bullets. The case, which was settled in a few seconds, is restored in the film Donnie Brasco, in which the actor Johnny Depp personifies the double agent of the police Joe Pistone.
Twenty days later, children playing on a vacant lot on Ruby Street, in the Ozone Park area of southwestern Queens, see a piece of foot or hand coming out of the ground and alerting their parents. New York police officers are moving and the vacant lot is quickly becoming a hotbed of activity. The investigators turn into archaeologists and exhume the body of a man still wearing a Cartier watch whose time stopped at 5:58, May 7. It's Alphonse Indelicato.
* * *
For a long time, a self-taught, Mafia-praised RCMP investigator had an old photograph with four individuals coming out of a New York motel and getting ready to get into a car. morning of May 6, 1981, the day after the killings of the three captains of the Bonanno clan
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Montreal investigator was a pioneer in exchanges between the police here and the investigators of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) who had sketched the scene. He had asked for a copy from his American colleagues, because he found it typical. Since then, she had been enthroned, dusty, in her office. On the picture are Gerlando Sciascia, a certain Giovanni Ligammari and Joseph Massino. In the center, a fourth individual holding something that looks like a case on his back and grilling a cigarette: it's Vito Rizzuto. But for now, not many people are interested in this photo. It will take more than 22 years for the police to understand the context and understand its importance.
It was in the early 2000s that the FBI managed to break through the Bonanno clan in New York. After some unsuccessful attempts, the "Team 10" federal investigators decide to attack the mafia family from the point of view of money. They are inspired by two investigators, accountants training: Kimberly McCaffrey, as small and petite as formidable, and Jeffrey Sallet. The latter wants so much to keep all his faculties during the investigation that he will even refuse a beer when McDougall will offer him one, years later, during a stay in New York. He will accept, however, that "the Englishman" offers him shoe polish near the offices of the FBI!
But, in the meantime, McCaffrey, Sallet and their FBI colleagues are targeting Frank Bonanno's accountant Frank Coppa, but also his weak link. The police manage to corner him and threaten to accuse him and send him in the shade for a long time unless he collaborates, which he accepts. Microphones and cameras are installed and phones are plugged into the accountant's office on Mulberry Street, where there is a lot of back and forth and where compromising conversations take place. The police work for at least a year with Coppa before we discover the pot with the roses and that the leaders of the clan learn that they were betrayed by their man. Too late: the worm is in the apple. That's when the RCMP investigators assigned to the intelligence phase of the Cicero Inquiry come on the scene.
In the spring of 2002, when the big investigation of the Montreal mafia is not yet called Colisée, Lorie McDougall's boss, Pierre Camiré, sent Lorie McDougall and other colleagues to New York to allow the Canadian police to learn more about the Rizzuto clan's ties to American families, expand the evidence against the Rizzuto clan, and increase collaboration between the RCMP and the FBI.
The idea of the RCMP to learn more about the links between the Montreal and New York clans comes from the fact that in July 1991, several captains of the Bonanno clan came to the Quebec metropolis to announce to their Canadian friends that Joseph Massino had just been named head of the New York family to replace Philip "Rusty" Rastelli, who died a month earlier. One of the captains of the Bonanno clan, Frank Lino, is part of the New York delegation that is attending a baseball game between the Expos and the Mets at the Olympic Stadium. They will sweep their four-game series against "Our Loves", who are having a bad season that year. The New York mafiosi would have come to admire the performance of Mets thrower John Franco, who would have procured the tickets and who has successfully launched two games in succession in this series. After one of the parties, members of the Bonanno clan would have even stopped in the locker room of the visiting team to greet him and some of his teammates with whom they would have then enjoyed the nightlife of Montreal with members of the team. Rizzuto clan.
The guide of the New York mafiosi during their stay in Montreal is Giuseppe Lo Presti. Originally from Cattolica Eraclea, Sicily, Lo Presti, who was then considered one of the captains of the Montreal Mafia by the police, is a great friend of Vito Rizzuto and he even bought a residence close to hers, rue Antoine-Berthelet, which then fully deserved its name of "rue de la mafia". Lo Presti does not have a criminal record, but during the 1980s, he was accused along with Gerlando Sciascia and other individuals, including Gene Gotti, John's brother, the former godfather of the Gambino clan. It was a case of 50 kg of heroin related to the dismantling of the Pizza Connection chain through which the drug was
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Montreal investigator was a pioneer in exchanges between the police here and the investigators of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) who had sketched the scene. He had asked for a copy from his American colleagues, because he found it typical. Since then, she had been enthroned, dusty, in her office. On the picture are Gerlando Sciascia, a certain Giovanni Ligammari and Joseph Massino. In the center, a fourth individual holding something that looks like a case on his back and grilling a cigarette: it's Vito Rizzuto. But for now, not many people are interested in this photo. It will take more than 22 years for the police to understand the context and understand its importance.
It was in the early 2000s that the FBI managed to break through the Bonanno clan in New York. After some unsuccessful attempts, the "Team 10" federal investigators decide to attack the mafia family from the point of view of money. They are inspired by two investigators, accountants training: Kimberly McCaffrey, as small and petite as formidable, and Jeffrey Sallet. The latter wants so much to keep all his faculties during the investigation that he will even refuse a beer when McDougall will offer him one, years later, during a stay in New York. He will accept, however, that "the Englishman" offers him shoe polish near the offices of the FBI!
But, in the meantime, McCaffrey, Sallet and their FBI colleagues are targeting Frank Bonanno's accountant Frank Coppa, but also his weak link. The police manage to corner him and threaten to accuse him and send him in the shade for a long time unless he collaborates, which he accepts. Microphones and cameras are installed and phones are plugged into the accountant's office on Mulberry Street, where there is a lot of back and forth and where compromising conversations take place. The police work for at least a year with Coppa before we discover the pot with the roses and that the leaders of the clan learn that they were betrayed by their man. Too late: the worm is in the apple. That's when the RCMP investigators assigned to the intelligence phase of the Cicero Inquiry come on the scene.
In the spring of 2002, when the big investigation of the Montreal mafia is not yet called Colisée, Lorie McDougall's boss, Pierre Camiré, sent Lorie McDougall and other colleagues to New York to allow the Canadian police to learn more about the Rizzuto clan's ties to American families, expand the evidence against the Rizzuto clan, and increase collaboration between the RCMP and the FBI.
The idea of the RCMP to learn more about the links between the Montreal and New York clans comes from the fact that in July 1991, several captains of the Bonanno clan came to the Quebec metropolis to announce to their Canadian friends that Joseph Massino had just been named head of the New York family to replace Philip "Rusty" Rastelli, who died a month earlier. One of the captains of the Bonanno clan, Frank Lino, is part of the New York delegation that is attending a baseball game between the Expos and the Mets at the Olympic Stadium. They will sweep their four-game series against "Our Loves", who are having a bad season that year. The New York mafiosi would have come to admire the performance of Mets thrower John Franco, who would have procured the tickets and who has successfully launched two games in succession in this series. After one of the parties, members of the Bonanno clan would have even stopped in the locker room of the visiting team to greet him and some of his teammates with whom they would have then enjoyed the nightlife of Montreal with members of the team. Rizzuto clan.
The guide of the New York mafiosi during their stay in Montreal is Giuseppe Lo Presti. Originally from Cattolica Eraclea, Sicily, Lo Presti, who was then considered one of the captains of the Montreal Mafia by the police, is a great friend of Vito Rizzuto and he even bought a residence close to hers, rue Antoine-Berthelet, which then fully deserved its name of "rue de la mafia". Lo Presti does not have a criminal record, but during the 1980s, he was accused along with Gerlando Sciascia and other individuals, including Gene Gotti, John's brother, the former godfather of the Gambino clan. It was a case of 50 kg of heroin related to the dismantling of the Pizza Connection chain through which the drug was
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trafficked between Montreal and New York and sold in pizzerias. Lo Presti and Sciascia, however, were acquitted in this case.
In April 1992, 44-year-old Lo Presti will be summoned to an appointment with strangers in the parking lot of a Montreal bar. He knows them visibly well since he will get in their car. In the following hours, his body, wrapped in plastic wrap and covered with a tarp, will be found in a ditch, near a railway, in the Rivière-des-Prairies neighborhood. Even today, the motive for the crime remains unknown, but the main assumption is that Bonanno clan leaders have ordered the Rizzuto family to eliminate Lo Presti. Despite all the strong feelings Vito Rizzuto felt towards his friend, the partnership continued between the Montreal Sicilians and the dominant clan of the New York Mafia after the elimination of Lo Presti. But perhaps it was at this moment that the first cracks appeared, until the bridges were broken, eight years later.
* * *
Let's go back to Lorie McDougall and his RCMP colleagues who are going to New York and starting to connect with their FBI counterparts. From the outset, Canadian and American police do not agree on the importance of the Rizzuto clan. The FBI considers it a satellite cell of the New York Mafia, subordinated to Gerlando Sciascia, and as the Canadian arm of the Bonanno parent company. For their part, RCMP investigators warn their American counterparts that the boss of the Montreal Mafia is independent and autonomous, that he is much more powerful than he thinks, that he has interests and tentacles everywhere. the world and that his clan is even bigger and better structured than the families of New York. After a few months of exchanges between the RCMP and the FBI, Lorie McDougall judges that the Canadian police give more than she receives, even if the collaboration is still excellent with US investigators, including their main interlocutor, Special Agent Jeffrey Sallet.
The RCMP officers know that their American colleagues are on a big blow to dismantle the Bonanno clan, but they do not want to tell them anything. What the Americans are hiding and the RCMP investigators are unaware of is that in the important investigation it is conducting, the FBI not only intends to dismantle the New York mafia family, but also to catch in his net the leader of the Canadian mafia for the role he played in the murders of three captains in New York in 1981. The collaboration of the accountant Frank Coppa has indeed allowed the police to revive this old case and tighten their vise around Salvatore Vitale.
Nicknamed "Good Looking Sal", Vitale is the brother-in-law of Joe Massino and the number 2 of the Bonanno clan. But, most importantly, he was one of the shooters in Brooklyn's reception room on May 5, 1981. At the turn of the 2000s, relations quietly faded between him and Massino, who began to make him less and less trust and to withdraw a few mandates. The cup will overflow when Massino whispered in the ear of one of his henchmen: "Do not forget my brother-in-law", meaning that Vitale must disappear. But the story will take another turn for Massino and his brother-in-law.
After the January 2003 roundup in New York, which stuns Vito Rizzuto and one of his lieutenants, taped on television from their hotel room in the Dominican Republic, Salvatore Vitale, Joe Massino and the captain who went to Montreal in July 1991, Frank Lino, will collaborate with the American justice. Motivated by the recent Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) and the fact that any important information confessed will reduce the length of their sentences by the same amount, the three men will tell in detail the carnage of May 1981.
* * *
They will repeat the details of the killings in 2008 when, after long negotiations, the FBI will allow the RCMP to meet with his three detectives in New York. We have
trafficked between Montreal and New York and sold in pizzerias. Lo Presti and Sciascia, however, were acquitted in this case.
In April 1992, 44-year-old Lo Presti will be summoned to an appointment with strangers in the parking lot of a Montreal bar. He knows them visibly well since he will get in their car. In the following hours, his body, wrapped in plastic wrap and covered with a tarp, will be found in a ditch, near a railway, in the Rivière-des-Prairies neighborhood. Even today, the motive for the crime remains unknown, but the main assumption is that Bonanno clan leaders have ordered the Rizzuto family to eliminate Lo Presti. Despite all the strong feelings Vito Rizzuto felt towards his friend, the partnership continued between the Montreal Sicilians and the dominant clan of the New York Mafia after the elimination of Lo Presti. But perhaps it was at this moment that the first cracks appeared, until the bridges were broken, eight years later.
* * *
Let's go back to Lorie McDougall and his RCMP colleagues who are going to New York and starting to connect with their FBI counterparts. From the outset, Canadian and American police do not agree on the importance of the Rizzuto clan. The FBI considers it a satellite cell of the New York Mafia, subordinated to Gerlando Sciascia, and as the Canadian arm of the Bonanno parent company. For their part, RCMP investigators warn their American counterparts that the boss of the Montreal Mafia is independent and autonomous, that he is much more powerful than he thinks, that he has interests and tentacles everywhere. the world and that his clan is even bigger and better structured than the families of New York. After a few months of exchanges between the RCMP and the FBI, Lorie McDougall judges that the Canadian police give more than she receives, even if the collaboration is still excellent with US investigators, including their main interlocutor, Special Agent Jeffrey Sallet.
The RCMP officers know that their American colleagues are on a big blow to dismantle the Bonanno clan, but they do not want to tell them anything. What the Americans are hiding and the RCMP investigators are unaware of is that in the important investigation it is conducting, the FBI not only intends to dismantle the New York mafia family, but also to catch in his net the leader of the Canadian mafia for the role he played in the murders of three captains in New York in 1981. The collaboration of the accountant Frank Coppa has indeed allowed the police to revive this old case and tighten their vise around Salvatore Vitale.
Nicknamed "Good Looking Sal", Vitale is the brother-in-law of Joe Massino and the number 2 of the Bonanno clan. But, most importantly, he was one of the shooters in Brooklyn's reception room on May 5, 1981. At the turn of the 2000s, relations quietly faded between him and Massino, who began to make him less and less trust and to withdraw a few mandates. The cup will overflow when Massino whispered in the ear of one of his henchmen: "Do not forget my brother-in-law", meaning that Vitale must disappear. But the story will take another turn for Massino and his brother-in-law.
After the January 2003 roundup in New York, which stuns Vito Rizzuto and one of his lieutenants, taped on television from their hotel room in the Dominican Republic, Salvatore Vitale, Joe Massino and the captain who went to Montreal in July 1991, Frank Lino, will collaborate with the American justice. Motivated by the recent Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) and the fact that any important information confessed will reduce the length of their sentences by the same amount, the three men will tell in detail the carnage of May 1981.
* * *
They will repeat the details of the killings in 2008 when, after long negotiations, the FBI will allow the RCMP to meet with his three detectives in New York. We have
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Here is the opportunity to share their testimony so that the reader can better understand Rizzuto's behavior after his stay in the Dominican Republic in early 2003.
In 2008, Massino, Vitale and Lino are held in different penitentiaries for their own protection. Their travel is done under high security, in the greatest secrecy, and the Canadian police officers who are accompanied by prosecutors assigned to the Colisée file can only meet one per day. Lorie McDougall, who is from the Canadian delegation, remembers that US police officers took them to their hotel and put them on board a big black SUV with closed curtains, to keep the place where they were hiding. examination. After a half-hour drive, Canadians realize that it's been three times since they've heard the same hammer on the New York asphalt. They look at each other, with a smirk.
- Okay, guys, stop going around the block, says McDougall to the driver.
"We have no choice," said a smiling American policeman, as if to applaud the insight of the RCMP investigator and his colleagues.
After a trip unappreciated by a claustrophobic attorney who seemed like an eternity, the Canadians are led, under a good escort, to the basement of a building, in a well-lit room with a low ceiling.
For three days, after the same ritual, they meet one by one the three informers. Only one of the FBI officers accompanying them has the right to take notes. And only two RCMP officers, including McDougall, can talk to repentant witnesses and be in the same room with them, but not prosecutors, also for security reasons.
Frank Lino does not have a lot of relevant information about Rizzuto and his clan to offer visitors. However, he tells them that when he came to Montreal with the Bonnano Clan delegation to announce that Massino was their new leader and to attend some of the Expos as described above, he and his acolytes were brought into a room. reception area attended by some 20 local men of honor, including Vito Rizzuto. He says that their guide, Giuseppe Lo Presti, introduced him to one of them as Alfonso Gagliano. To be sure, the Montreal police show Lino a series of photos and this one formally identifies Gagliano. In the early 1990s, Alfonso Gagliano was the member for Saint-Léonard. He then became Minister of Public Works in the Liberal government of Jean Chrétien. But in the early 2000s, he was splashed by the sponsorship scandal and was appointed ambassador to Denmark.
Frank Lino's testimony about the meeting he said he had with Gagliano in Montreal in the early 1990s will be revealed for the first time in 2004 in the New York Daily News and had the effect of a bomb both in Quebec. than in Canada.
When the case broke out, Alfonso Gagliano denied being present at the meeting and knowing the individuals with whom Lino claims to have seen him. He also stated, by telephone survey, that he was out of the country at the alleged meeting. However, the author of the New York Daily News article named the Montreal Mafia Men of Honor meeting in April 1992, while Lino told RCMP investigators that it was instead held in 1991. In September 2018, we called Mr. Gagliano to tell him about these differences in the versions.
"It's not true. I never attended such a meeting. Never did anyone introduce me to these people. I do not know who Mr. Frank Lino is. There are so many things that have been said about me, I can tell you, I can tell you again, I do not know who these people are. I never met them. Whether in 1991 or 1992, the year for me, it does not change anything, it does not mean anything, it never existed, "said the former minister, now a professional winemaker.
Let's go back to the testimony of the informers. Massino, on the other hand, is rather cold with the Montreal investigators. He may know that he does not have much to gain from them.
Here is the opportunity to share their testimony so that the reader can better understand Rizzuto's behavior after his stay in the Dominican Republic in early 2003.
In 2008, Massino, Vitale and Lino are held in different penitentiaries for their own protection. Their travel is done under high security, in the greatest secrecy, and the Canadian police officers who are accompanied by prosecutors assigned to the Colisée file can only meet one per day. Lorie McDougall, who is from the Canadian delegation, remembers that US police officers took them to their hotel and put them on board a big black SUV with closed curtains, to keep the place where they were hiding. examination. After a half-hour drive, Canadians realize that it's been three times since they've heard the same hammer on the New York asphalt. They look at each other, with a smirk.
- Okay, guys, stop going around the block, says McDougall to the driver.
"We have no choice," said a smiling American policeman, as if to applaud the insight of the RCMP investigator and his colleagues.
After a trip unappreciated by a claustrophobic attorney who seemed like an eternity, the Canadians are led, under a good escort, to the basement of a building, in a well-lit room with a low ceiling.
For three days, after the same ritual, they meet one by one the three informers. Only one of the FBI officers accompanying them has the right to take notes. And only two RCMP officers, including McDougall, can talk to repentant witnesses and be in the same room with them, but not prosecutors, also for security reasons.
Frank Lino does not have a lot of relevant information about Rizzuto and his clan to offer visitors. However, he tells them that when he came to Montreal with the Bonnano Clan delegation to announce that Massino was their new leader and to attend some of the Expos as described above, he and his acolytes were brought into a room. reception area attended by some 20 local men of honor, including Vito Rizzuto. He says that their guide, Giuseppe Lo Presti, introduced him to one of them as Alfonso Gagliano. To be sure, the Montreal police show Lino a series of photos and this one formally identifies Gagliano. In the early 1990s, Alfonso Gagliano was the member for Saint-Léonard. He then became Minister of Public Works in the Liberal government of Jean Chrétien. But in the early 2000s, he was splashed by the sponsorship scandal and was appointed ambassador to Denmark.
Frank Lino's testimony about the meeting he said he had with Gagliano in Montreal in the early 1990s will be revealed for the first time in 2004 in the New York Daily News and had the effect of a bomb both in Quebec. than in Canada.
When the case broke out, Alfonso Gagliano denied being present at the meeting and knowing the individuals with whom Lino claims to have seen him. He also stated, by telephone survey, that he was out of the country at the alleged meeting. However, the author of the New York Daily News article named the Montreal Mafia Men of Honor meeting in April 1992, while Lino told RCMP investigators that it was instead held in 1991. In September 2018, we called Mr. Gagliano to tell him about these differences in the versions.
"It's not true. I never attended such a meeting. Never did anyone introduce me to these people. I do not know who Mr. Frank Lino is. There are so many things that have been said about me, I can tell you, I can tell you again, I do not know who these people are. I never met them. Whether in 1991 or 1992, the year for me, it does not change anything, it does not mean anything, it never existed, "said the former minister, now a professional winemaker.
Let's go back to the testimony of the informers. Massino, on the other hand, is rather cold with the Montreal investigators. He may know that he does not have much to gain from them.
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Ill stop here at the midpoint of Chapter 3...
Couple points/ Questions here
Notice how it says the RCMP and FBI, DO NOT AGREE on the status of the Rizzuto clan, and how they wernt entirely forthcoming about their plans to Indict Rizzuto.
I suspected such a relationship when the Buffalo arrest hit. It seemed to me that the RCMP and FBI were at odds, and weren't in agreement, wernt backing each other up.... I think there is animosity there.....
Also, the Gambino connections.....The Rizzutos-Cuntreras- Caruanas were in business with the Gambino-Inzerillo faction...
Couple points/ Questions here
Notice how it says the RCMP and FBI, DO NOT AGREE on the status of the Rizzuto clan, and how they wernt entirely forthcoming about their plans to Indict Rizzuto.
I suspected such a relationship when the Buffalo arrest hit. It seemed to me that the RCMP and FBI were at odds, and weren't in agreement, wernt backing each other up.... I think there is animosity there.....
Also, the Gambino connections.....The Rizzutos-Cuntreras- Caruanas were in business with the Gambino-Inzerillo faction...
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Cabrini, thanks a million for transcribing this book!! Best thread in ages...
Questions/htoughts:
1. Why did Joe Massino want Sal Vitale killed? Why was Sal in Joe's bad graces?
2. Were the Ruggierio brothers- Sal & Angelo and Gene Gotti getting their smack from Montreal?
I never knew they were getting their dope from the Canadians.
3. Why did the NY Bonnano's order Guiseppe Lo Presti killed? No reason given.
4. No mention is made of the Jewish parking lot 'baron' that was writing $25,000 checks
to Massino, Vitale and Coppa. Only Frank Coppa is mentioned as the 'accountant'. The
parking lot guy is who was microphone wired first. Did the authors miss this fact, or just not
mention it?
Questions/htoughts:
1. Why did Joe Massino want Sal Vitale killed? Why was Sal in Joe's bad graces?
2. Were the Ruggierio brothers- Sal & Angelo and Gene Gotti getting their smack from Montreal?
I never knew they were getting their dope from the Canadians.
3. Why did the NY Bonnano's order Guiseppe Lo Presti killed? No reason given.
4. No mention is made of the Jewish parking lot 'baron' that was writing $25,000 checks
to Massino, Vitale and Coppa. Only Frank Coppa is mentioned as the 'accountant'. The
parking lot guy is who was microphone wired first. Did the authors miss this fact, or just not
mention it?
'three can keep a secret, if two are dead'
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Re: Daniel Renaud's 2018 book on Vito Rizzuto
B. wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:24 pm The Vitale Meetings
[quote=This is big news to me about Vitale visiting Montreal multiple times after the Sciascia hit. From other testimony, I recall him saying that when Vito Rizzuto turned down the promotion to captain and suggested his father Nicolo, Vitale didn't accept this and later referred to Vito Rizzuto as a defacto "acting captain" to the FBI because he didn't know what else to call him. There was an FBI chart I've seen where Vito Rizzuto is even listed with that title.
If this is true about the multiple meetings and naming Nick Rizzuto the official captain, it completely re-routes and even destroys some of the narratives in other books and articles, not to mention most of our Montreal discussions in the boards over the years.
Assuming that this info somehow slipped under the radar and we didn't have Vitale's full information on Montreal post-Sciascia (which makes me wonder what other info we don't have), here are my thoughts:
- Vitale saying that the crew seemed disappointed he didn't appoint Sciascia's replacement tells us that the title still held some importance to them at the time beyond protocol.
- The above point would seem to go against the idea of them "laughing" at Vitale later and just going along for the sake of protocol (though them going along with protocol is meaningful in its own way, too).
- Since it was just Vitale's own feeling that they were disappointed and/or "laughing", with seemingly no direct comments or behavior to back that up, we can't assume Vitale's impression was fact. Keep in mind too that Vitale was in poor standing in the organization despite his title, his influence undercut and his popularity low with the membership. Even if Montreal didn't depend on New York, they were probably still interested in organizational gossip. It's possible that any lack of respect he picked up on from them was a reflection of him personally and not necessarily the entire New York group.
I thought about this, and I have a theory......
I think some guys at the meeting expected to be named to Sciascias post, IN NEW YORK, as the liaison between NY and Montreal. Not necessarily to be Montreal capo, I dont see anyone challenging the Rizzutos leadership.
B., let me ask you this.... Do you think the Rizzutos, wait let me back up.... Say Sciascia never gets deported... You think he GIVES, or TAKES orders from the Rizzutos-Caruanas? Serious question here...
Even though they were capo and acting capo in NY, I dont know if the Rizzutos take orders from Sciascia or LoPresti, although I will say to his credit, Sciascia seems to have been VERY respected...
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Re: Daniel Renaud's 2018 book on Vito Rizzuto
2. I think Sciascia began supplying them after Sal Ruggerio died. There is a part in the Sixth family where they describe Angelo talking about his brother, and getting emotional, crying. They described Sciascia as stone faced, like, " So..... how many things can you take?"
Or something to that effect, I dont have my copy.....
He was giving out consignments to trusted distributors, Gambinos, I'm sure many Bonnano members as well..
Or something to that effect, I dont have my copy.....
He was giving out consignments to trusted distributors, Gambinos, I'm sure many Bonnano members as well..
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Re: Daniel Renaud's 2018 book on Vito Rizzuto
Thanks CG. I will have to go backCabriniGreen wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:50 am 2. I think Sciascia began supplying them after Sal Ruggerio died. There is a part in the Sixth family where they describe Angelo talking about his brother, and getting emotional, crying. They described Sciascia as stone faced, like, " So..... how many things can you take?"
Or something to that effect, I dont have my copy.....
He was giving out consignments to trusted distributors, Gambinos, I'm sure many Bonnano members as well..
and re-read 6th Fam.
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Re: Daniel Renaud's 2018 book on Vito Rizzuto
"For their part, RCMP investigators warn their American counterparts that the boss of the Montreal Mafia is independent and autonomous, that he is much more powerful than he thinks, that he has interests and tentacles everywhere. the world and that his clan is even bigger and better structured than the families of New York."
Sounds like a fanboy speaking instead of a police agent. How would the RCMP, who may be miles behind in knowledge of the mob compared to the FBI, know anything about the size and strenght of the New York families to compare them with the Rizzuto clan. Sounds like a very biased statement. However, we now have to give some credit back to Humphreys and Lamothe, who apparantly weren't the ones who came up with these claims - they were simply repeating the opinion of RCMP investigators.
Another interesting revelation by Renaud (thanks again to Cabrini for sharing it) is the 1991 meeting between the Bonanno delegation and the "20 members" of the Montreal crew to inform them of Massino's appointment as boss. This means that during Vitale's visit after the Sciascia murder Massino should've been familiar with all the members in the Montreal crew, but Vitale wasn't. Perhaps this could be another indication of Vitale being kept out of the loop and make his statements about Montreal more questionable.
Sounds like a fanboy speaking instead of a police agent. How would the RCMP, who may be miles behind in knowledge of the mob compared to the FBI, know anything about the size and strenght of the New York families to compare them with the Rizzuto clan. Sounds like a very biased statement. However, we now have to give some credit back to Humphreys and Lamothe, who apparantly weren't the ones who came up with these claims - they were simply repeating the opinion of RCMP investigators.
Another interesting revelation by Renaud (thanks again to Cabrini for sharing it) is the 1991 meeting between the Bonanno delegation and the "20 members" of the Montreal crew to inform them of Massino's appointment as boss. This means that during Vitale's visit after the Sciascia murder Massino should've been familiar with all the members in the Montreal crew, but Vitale wasn't. Perhaps this could be another indication of Vitale being kept out of the loop and make his statements about Montreal more questionable.
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Re: Daniel Renaud's 2018 book on Vito Rizzuto
SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:30 am Questions/htoughts:
1. Why did Joe Massino want Sal Vitale killed? Why was Sal in Joe's bad graces?
3. Why did the NY Bonnano's order Guiseppe Lo Presti killed? No reason given.
If I remember right LoPresti was killed for killing a guy without permission. There may have been others reasons on top of that.
Vitale first fell out of Massinos graces because he didn't like how Vitale handled things while he (Massino) was in prison. Vitale was holding Gotti style public meetings with the Capos which brought a lot of heat on the family and led to some indictments. When Massino got out he named Vitale UnderBoss but stripped him of most of the power and responsibilities that come with it (Capos couldn't meet with him, a ruling panel handled the duties of UnderBoss, etc). So he was UnderBosst in name only for the most part. I don't recall the exact reason he wanted him killed but I seem to recall it coming about after Vitale indictments and fears that he may flip.
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