Al Capone's decina ~1928

[MightyDR]

In his autobiography, Joe Bonanno backs up the claim that Capone was made by Masseria. However, he says Masseria made Capone a boss in exchange for getting rid out Aiello, not a capo in his family.

After the Cast. War, Bonanno says Maranzano and Capone came to an understanding that Maranzano would affirm Capone's place in Chicago and Capone would affirm Maranzano's supremacy in the national scene.

[Villain]

@B i believe you're right regarding the boss of bosses term being more suitable for Masseria at the time but i still believe that the list is a good start

@MightyDR who knows maybe Bonanno gave his general opinion but still we have Lolordo being Chi rep in 1928 and also Loverde being the member of some sort of second or outlaw commission in 1930

[DPG]

Loverde being the member of some sort of second or outlaw commission in 1930

Could you expand on this? I've never heard of this 'outlaw commission'.

[Villain]

Loverde being the member of some sort of second or outlaw commission in 1930

Could you expand on this? I've never heard of this 'outlaw commission'.

Antiliar can shed more light on this subject but I remember something like Gentile, Traina, Loverde and few other top fellas (i think one was from Boston but maybe Im wrong) formed a sort of commission which settled national beefs or something like that. I think that they once settled an alleged beef between Angelo Genna and Lombardo

[Confederate]

Well, the Irish had been established for a longer time in those cities, so they had already begun to integrate themselves into the general populace. The Italian population didn't explode until the turn of the century while the Irish had been steadily immigrating since the Civil War.

The Irish even immigrated long before the Civil War. Most all the people in the South back in the early 1800's (60 years before the Northern Aggression) were of English, Irish or Scottish descent.

[Antiliar]

Loverde being the member of some sort of second or outlaw commission in 1930

Could you expand on this? I've never heard of this 'outlaw commission'.

Antiliar can shed more light on this subject but I remember something like Gentile, Traina, Loverde and few other top fellas (i think one was from Boston but maybe Im wrong) formed a sort of commission which settled national beefs or something like that. I think that they once settled an alleged beef between Angelo Genna and Lombardo

You might mean a general assembly, where leading Mafiosi from all over the country would meet and the Capo dei Capi or his representative presided. There were also commissions, but the commissions didn't judge, but researched and advised.

BTW, appreciate the Darlene Ortiz cover photo.

[Villain]

Loverde being the member of some sort of second or outlaw commission in 1930

Could you expand on this? I've never heard of this 'outlaw commission'.

Antiliar can shed more light on this subject but I remember something like Gentile, Traina, Loverde and few other top fellas (i think one was from Boston but maybe Im wrong) formed a sort of commission which settled national beefs or something like that. I think that they once settled an alleged beef between Angelo Genna and Lombardo

You might mean a general assembly, where leading Mafiosi from all over the country would meet and the Capo dei Capi or his representative presided. There were also commissions, but the commissions didn't judge, but researched and advised.

BTW, appreciate the Darlene Ortiz cover photo.

Thanks for clearing that up.

And yeah she used to be a real hot piece during the old days and to tell you the truth it seems that Ice always had the style lol I think that she also appeared on his Rhyme Pays album cover

[Villain]

In addition, long time ago I tried to make one so-called "family tree" regarding the Capone Mob and so I started from Big Jim Colosimo since he was allegedly the first "Boss" of today's Chicago Outfit. You see, Colosimo was born in Cosenza, Calabria; and so in other words he wasn’t Sicilian but his power was made mostly by his close connections to the local politicians and racketeers and so at first he did not have the need of any particular strong-arm crew and I personally thought that he was a so-called "one man army" type of individual. Also as most of you know that later he was allegedly pushed around by other criminals and so he decided to call for some reinforcement from New York. So according to my research, even before his so-called reinforcement arrived, Big Jim possibly controlled his own quite powerful crew which was formed by the most prominent individuals who were involved in Colosimo’s criminal empire at the time such as: ( again Im not saying that this is 100% accurate)

Colosimo group (1910-1920)

Victoria Moresco (Colosimo's wife and second in command)

Thomas Colosimo (Colosimo's brother) (later became a member of Johnny Patton's crew as one of their reps in Northwest Indiana)

Joseph Moresco

John Moresco

James Adduci

Joseph D’Andrea (killed in 1914)

John Torrio (in 1909 or 1910 came from Brooklyn, NY)

Robert Vanella (came from Brooklyn, NY, alleged cousin of Torrio)

Mike Carrozzo (close associate and alleged bodyguard of Colosimo)

John Patton (pal of Colosimo)

Frank Nitto (allegedly arrived in 1913 and became pal of Carrozzo)

After the murder of Colosimo in 1920, most of his family members and relatives were ousted from the business and the organization was allegedly taken over by John Torrio. Here are Torrio’s main crew members:


Torrio group (1920-1925)

Robert Vanella (in 1921 returned to Brooklyn, NY)

Mike Carrozzo

Frank Nitto

John Patton

Al Capone (in 1919 or 1920 allegedly brought from Brooklyn, NY by Torrio)

Gaetano Ricci (allegedly brought from Brooklyn, NY by Torrio)

Sylvester Agoglia (allegedly brought from Brooklyn, NY by Torrio or Capone)

Ralph Capone (Al Capone’s brother)

Joseph Fusco (pal of Carrozzo)

James Mondi (pal of Capone)

Michael De Stefano (pal of Capone and Torrio)

Charles Fischetti (allegedly brought from New York by Capone)

Rocco Fischetti (allegedly brought from New York by Capone)

[Petespin]

I have always thought Capone was not made, how possible is it that the info was wrong?

[Snakes]

I have always thought Capone was not made, how possible is it that the info was wrong?

Unlikely. The source (Gentile) is a strong one.

[B.]

At least two member sources who had no connection to each other told the story of Masseria inducting Capone and promoting him to captain. Other sources have made it clear he was the boss of the Chicago Cosa Nostra family after the Castellammarese War. There is no doubt he was a made member.

[Pogo The Clown]

Joe Bonanno also alluded to it if I'm not mistaken.


Pogo

[DPG]

In addition, long time ago I tried to make one so-called "family tree" regarding the Capone Mob and so I started from Big Jim Colosimo since he was allegedly the first "Boss" of today's Chicago Outfit. You see, Colosimo was born in Cosenza, Calabria; and so in other words he wasn’t Sicilian but his power was made mostly by his close connections to the local politicians and racketeers and so at first he did not have the need of any particular strong-arm crew and I personally thought that he was a so-called "one man army" type of individual. Also as most of you know that later he was allegedly pushed around by other criminals and so he decided to call for some reinforcement from New York. So according to my research, even before his so-called reinforcement arrived, Big Jim possibly controlled his own quite powerful crew which was formed by the most prominent individuals who were involved in Colosimo’s criminal empire at the time such as: ( again Im not saying that this is 100% accurate)

Colosimo group (1910-1920)

Victoria Moresco (Colosimo's wife and second in command)

Thomas Colosimo (Colosimo's brother) (later became a member of Johnny Patton's crew as one of their reps in Northwest Indiana)

Joseph Moresco

John Moresco

James Adduci

Joseph D’Andrea (killed in 1914)

John Torrio (in 1909 or 1910 came from Brooklyn, NY)

Robert Vanella (came from Brooklyn, NY, alleged cousin of Torrio)

Mike Carrozzo (close associate and alleged bodyguard of Colosimo)

John Patton (pal of Colosimo)

Frank Nitto (allegedly arrived in 1913 and became pal of Carrozzo)

After the murder of Colosimo in 1920, most of his family members and relatives were ousted from the business and the organization was allegedly taken over by John Torrio. Here are Torrio’s main crew members:


Torrio group (1920-1925)

Robert Vanella (in 1921 returned to Brooklyn, NY)

Mike Carrozzo

Frank Nitto

John Patton

Al Capone (in 1919 or 1920 allegedly brought from Brooklyn, NY by Torrio)

Gaetano Ricci (allegedly brought from Brooklyn, NY by Torrio)

Sylvester Agoglia (allegedly brought from Brooklyn, NY by Torrio or Capone)

Ralph Capone (Al Capone’s brother)

Joseph Fusco (pal of Carrozzo)

James Mondi (pal of Capone)

Michael De Stefano (pal of Capone and Torrio)

Charles Fischetti (allegedly brought from New York by Capone)

Rocco Fischetti (allegedly brought from New York by Capone)

Would Frank Capone go on the list of Torrio guys?

[Snakes]

At least two member sources who had no connection to each other told the story of Masseria inducting Capone and promoting him to captain. Other sources have made it clear he was the boss of the Chicago Cosa Nostra family after the Castellammarese War. There is no doubt he was a made member.

Yeah, he'd never be recognized by or allowed a seat on the Commission if he wasn't made.

[HairyKnuckles]

Maranzano recognized him as the LCN boss in Chicago after the Castellammarese war and Capone recognized him as capo di tutti capi. Capone also had to give up his prostitution rackets in order to be fully considered a man of honor. Low level outfit guys and associates on the fringe continued in that racket after Maranzano´s death though.