Thanks AM much obligedantimafia wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:54 am ^^^^
I'm certain Dubro meant Niagara Falls in Ontario.
See viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2572&p=67899&hilit ... lls#p67899.
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Re: Italy: Toronto on brink of mob war
Obama's a pimp he coulda never outfought Trump, but I didn't know it till this day that it was Putin all along.
Re: Italy: Toronto on brink of mob war
I became aware of this older article from April of this year because a Twitter user posted a link. The home where the victim was stabbed back in April is owned by the Luppino family.
Police probing “targeted” home invasion on Mountain
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/8560 ... n-mountain
Police probing “targeted” home invasion on Mountain
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/8560 ... n-mountain
Re: Italy: Toronto on brink of mob war
A lot of vague conjecture here but I imagine the Buffalo believers will latch on.
Buffalo mob playing role in deadly Ontario dispute, sources say
By PETER EDWARDS
September 17, 2018
The killing of Al Iavarone (not pictured) is believed to be retaliation for the killing of Angelo Musitano, right, who is seen here with his brother Pasquale Musitano in 1998.
The murder of Hamilton real estate agent Al Iavarone at his home last week suggests that the New York State mob still has considerable influence in the southern Ontario underworld, sources say.
“I don’t think anyone knows for certain how this plays out,” said Paul Manning, a former Hamilton undercover police officer who worked on organized crime investigations. “One thing’s for sure, Buffalo will always have a say north of the border.”
Iavarone, 50, was shot dead in the midst of a dispute between two Niagara Region groups of mobsters who are both tied to the New York State mob, several former southern Ontario organized crime police investigators said.
Buffalo would have to give approval for high-level killings, sources said, adding that mob leaders there are believed to have turned their backs on one side in the dispute and given tacit approval to the other.
“They’re all supposed to be under Buffalo,” one source said of the two feuding Ontario crime factions.
“This does not end well for anyone,” the former police organized crime specialist said.
Iavarone’s killer hid in bushes outside his detached home at on Sunflower Cres. in Ancaster’s quiet Scenic Woods neighbourhood, shooting him around 9:55 p.m. as he walked from his car. He was killed in retaliation for the murder of Angelo (Ang) Musitano, 39, in the Hamilton suburb of Waterdown in May 2017 and the revenge for Musitano’s murder is far from over, former police organized crime investigators said.
Iavarone didn’t take part in Musitano’s murder but he was close to one of the suspected killers, a source said.
Musitano was shot at close range several times while in his truck outside his home while his wife and children waited inside for him.
Years earlier, Musitano and his brother Pasquale (Pat) were convicted of conspiracy related to the 1997 murder of Niagara Falls mobster Carmen Barillaro.
“This (Iavarone murder) is for Ang,” one former investigator said. “This is retaliation for Ang.”
Iavarone didn’t have a criminal record. He was known to police because he was “associated to individuals involved in traditional organized crime in the Hamilton area,” Det.-Sgt. Peter Thom of the Hamilton police said hours after his murder.
Iavarone didn’t have a criminal record. He was known to police because he was “associated to individuals involved in traditional organized crime in the Hamilton area,” Det.-Sgt. Peter Thom of the Hamilton police said hours after his murder.
“It’s our belief that there is something going on in the underworld, maybe a power struggle,” Thom said.
Some of Iavarone’s underworld ties were south of the border, sources said.
“The recently deceased had ties to New York,” a former police investigator said.
“Buffalo factions of Traditional Organized Crime are not ‘in’ Canada per se, but historically have controlled aspects of Canadian ‘family business’ and do get kickbacks from profits from illicit activity,” Manning said.
Prior to his death, Musitano was owed money from a man involved in gambling who worked for New York State mobsters, a source said.
When he demanded payment or a piece of the gambling operation, he was murdered by a crew of Niagara Region men connected to the gambler, the sources said.
None of the men involved in the Angelo Musitano murder were actual mob members, leaving them vulnerable to retaliation, the source said.
They have already been cut astray by the New York mob, a police source said.
“They have no backing,” the source said.
https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2018 ... s-say.html
Buffalo mob playing role in deadly Ontario dispute, sources say
By PETER EDWARDS
September 17, 2018
The killing of Al Iavarone (not pictured) is believed to be retaliation for the killing of Angelo Musitano, right, who is seen here with his brother Pasquale Musitano in 1998.
The murder of Hamilton real estate agent Al Iavarone at his home last week suggests that the New York State mob still has considerable influence in the southern Ontario underworld, sources say.
“I don’t think anyone knows for certain how this plays out,” said Paul Manning, a former Hamilton undercover police officer who worked on organized crime investigations. “One thing’s for sure, Buffalo will always have a say north of the border.”
Iavarone, 50, was shot dead in the midst of a dispute between two Niagara Region groups of mobsters who are both tied to the New York State mob, several former southern Ontario organized crime police investigators said.
Buffalo would have to give approval for high-level killings, sources said, adding that mob leaders there are believed to have turned their backs on one side in the dispute and given tacit approval to the other.
“They’re all supposed to be under Buffalo,” one source said of the two feuding Ontario crime factions.
“This does not end well for anyone,” the former police organized crime specialist said.
Iavarone’s killer hid in bushes outside his detached home at on Sunflower Cres. in Ancaster’s quiet Scenic Woods neighbourhood, shooting him around 9:55 p.m. as he walked from his car. He was killed in retaliation for the murder of Angelo (Ang) Musitano, 39, in the Hamilton suburb of Waterdown in May 2017 and the revenge for Musitano’s murder is far from over, former police organized crime investigators said.
Iavarone didn’t take part in Musitano’s murder but he was close to one of the suspected killers, a source said.
Musitano was shot at close range several times while in his truck outside his home while his wife and children waited inside for him.
Years earlier, Musitano and his brother Pasquale (Pat) were convicted of conspiracy related to the 1997 murder of Niagara Falls mobster Carmen Barillaro.
“This (Iavarone murder) is for Ang,” one former investigator said. “This is retaliation for Ang.”
Iavarone didn’t have a criminal record. He was known to police because he was “associated to individuals involved in traditional organized crime in the Hamilton area,” Det.-Sgt. Peter Thom of the Hamilton police said hours after his murder.
Iavarone didn’t have a criminal record. He was known to police because he was “associated to individuals involved in traditional organized crime in the Hamilton area,” Det.-Sgt. Peter Thom of the Hamilton police said hours after his murder.
“It’s our belief that there is something going on in the underworld, maybe a power struggle,” Thom said.
Some of Iavarone’s underworld ties were south of the border, sources said.
“The recently deceased had ties to New York,” a former police investigator said.
“Buffalo factions of Traditional Organized Crime are not ‘in’ Canada per se, but historically have controlled aspects of Canadian ‘family business’ and do get kickbacks from profits from illicit activity,” Manning said.
Prior to his death, Musitano was owed money from a man involved in gambling who worked for New York State mobsters, a source said.
When he demanded payment or a piece of the gambling operation, he was murdered by a crew of Niagara Region men connected to the gambler, the sources said.
None of the men involved in the Angelo Musitano murder were actual mob members, leaving them vulnerable to retaliation, the source said.
They have already been cut astray by the New York mob, a police source said.
“They have no backing,” the source said.
https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2018 ... s-say.html
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Re: Italy: Toronto on brink of mob war
Interesting.
Seems the suspects in the Musitano hit have been identified by LE.
Interesting that LE seems to know most of the story in these two hits.
All except the Buffalo BS.
Seems the suspects in the Musitano hit have been identified by LE.
Interesting that LE seems to know most of the story in these two hits.
All except the Buffalo BS.
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I think antimafia beat you to the post...
I think antimafia beat you to the post...
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So what does it mean exactly, in your opinion?
So what does it mean exactly, in your opinion?
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You too actually, wgats your take?
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Re: Italy: Toronto on brink of mob war
Between the CI's and electronic eavesdropping, LE quoted in this article
knows the story of this situation. They are telling just enough to let us know this fact.
knows the story of this situation. They are telling just enough to let us know this fact.
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Sonny why do you call bullshit?
They are quoting an undercover officer who worked Hamilton organized crime and Peter Edwards is a respectable journalist.
If it was bullshit it would mean both of them are blatantly lying in this article.
To me it's just further proof that whatever the state of the Buffalo family may be one thing it isn't is dead.
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I dont wanna start nothing silly, but some guys do seem to take it......almost ........PERSONAL? I dont get the reactions at all....
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There has been zero activity in Buffalo for decades now with the FBI pronouncing the family defunct since god knows when (and they have motive to say the opposite) and now suddenly not only is Buffalo alive and well but it exerts control over Hamilton in Canada again, and not only that but an Buffalo is LCN and the Musitano’s are Ndrangheta. So the multiple Ndrine’s in Canada are taking orders from Buffalo? It’s just ridiculous in my opinion.johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:25 amSonny why do you call bullshit?
They are quoting an undercover officer who worked Hamilton organized crime and Peter Edwards is a respectable journalist.
If it was bullshit it would mean both of them are blatantly lying in this article.
To me it's just further proof that whatever the state of the Buffalo family may be one thing it isn't is dead.
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Who’s taking anything personal?CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:29 am I dont wanna start nothing silly, but some guys do seem to take it......almost ........PERSONAL? I dont get the reactions at all....
I simply think Buffalo existing as a powerful family exerting control over southern Ontario flies so contrary to the known facts it can aptly be characterized as Bullshit.
Nothing Personal about it.
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Here is a Peter Edwards Article about Manning one of the LE sources quoted in his current article about Buffalo being involved with the hits in Hamilton: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/201 ... force.html
Seems he infiltrated the mob in the area and some of the corrupt Hamilton police didn't like it.
Seems he infiltrated the mob in the area and some of the corrupt Hamilton police didn't like it.
Re: Italy: Toronto on brink of mob war
You're right, I missed that. Apologies to antimafia.
Like I said, there's no specifics, just vague assertions. The article talks about people in Buffalo having a say north of the border, picking sides between the two groups fighting in the Niagra region, being the ones who would have to give approval for high level killings, etc. Who exactly?CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:59 pm @wiseguy
So what does it mean exactly, in your opinion?
The article says there is a guy involved in gambling who worked for mobsters in New York state and he owed Musitano money. That, in and if itself, is believable. We still see remnants of families involved in things, especially gambling, in various places. But one would be wise not to read too much into this article as far as there still being a functioning hierarchy in Buffalo.
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