Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:16 am
Giuseppe "Joe the Boss" Masseria on April 15, 1931 at Nuova Villa Tammaro on Coney Island
Lucky Luciano (setup)
Vito Genovese (shooter?)
Frank Livorsi (shooter?)
Joseph "Joe Stretch" Stracci (shooter?)
It is unknown who pulled the trigger or if there were others but these guys were at Masserias table according to Joe Valachi.
Pogo
What about the guy they called his consig? Sam Piccolo or something like that? The newspapers describe him being there according to this IIRC http://mafiahistory.us/a018/f_pollaccia.html
Eline2015 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:34 am
On maryferrel docs also mentions Arthur Leo and Dave Iacovetti
Can you provide a link for that? I've researched the Anastasia hit extensively and have never read that. I'm not saying your wrong, I would like to read it though.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:16 am
Giuseppe "Joe the Boss" Masseria on April 15, 1931 at Nuova Villa Tammaro on Coney Island
Lucky Luciano (setup)
Vito Genovese (shooter?)
Frank Livorsi (shooter?)
Joseph "Joe Stretch" Stracci (shooter?)
It is unknown who pulled the trigger or if there were others but these guys were at Masserias table according to Joe Valachi.
What about the guy they called his consig? Sam Piccolo or something like that? The newspapers describe him being there according to this IIRC http://mafiahistory.us/a018/f_pollaccia.html
Could very well be. I believe Ciro Terranova was a getaway driver but froze at the scene and someone else had to get behind the wheel. That was a contributing factor in Terranova being demoted as Capo.
Pogo
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Eline2015 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:34 am
On maryferrel docs also mentions Arthur Leo and Dave Iacovetti
Can you provide a link for that? I've researched the Anastasia hit extensively and have never read that. I'm not saying your wrong, I would like to read it though.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:16 am
Giuseppe "Joe the Boss" Masseria on April 15, 1931 at Nuova Villa Tammaro on Coney Island
Lucky Luciano (setup)
Vito Genovese (shooter?)
Frank Livorsi (shooter?)
Joseph "Joe Stretch" Stracci (shooter?)
It is unknown who pulled the trigger or if there were others but these guys were at Masserias table according to Joe Valachi.
What about the guy they called his consig? Sam Piccolo or something like that? The newspapers describe him being there according to this IIRC http://mafiahistory.us/a018/f_pollaccia.html
Could very well be. I believe Ciro Terranova was a getaway driver but froze at the scene and someone else had to get behind the wheel. That was a contributing factor in Terranova being demoted as Capo.
Pogo
IIRC the story that placed Ciro as the driver also put Bugsy as a shooter. Said he is the one who got Ciro from behind to wheel and then he (Bugsy) drove the car.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:52 am
Could very well be. I believe Ciro Terranova was a getaway driver but froze at the scene and someone else had to get behind the wheel. That was a contributing factor in Terranova being demoted as Capo.
In Patrick Downey's book "Gangster city" it's mentioned that according to witnesses, there were 2 shooters and no getaway driver, here is the quote:
Who was there that day has also been up for much speculation. The only four the author feels were present for sure are the men named by Joe Valachi: Charles Luciano, Vito Genovese, Frank Livorsi, and Joe Stracci. Although some claim Valachi was wrong, he was part of the underworld at the time. That Ciro Terranova was driving the car is pure fiction. Not only did witnesses say that the two men arrived by themselves, which means there was no wheelman, but even if there was, would a top Mafia boss relegate himself to such a low job? That “Bugsy” Siegel was part of the hit squad also seems unlikely. Masseria was killed by those close to him.
Eline2015 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:34 am
On maryferrel docs also mentions Arthur Leo and Dave Iacovetti
Can you provide a link for that? I've researched the Anastasia hit extensively and have never read that. I'm not saying your wrong, I would like to read it though.
Eline2015 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:34 am
On maryferrel docs also mentions Arthur Leo and Dave Iacovetti
Can you provide a link for that? I've researched the Anastasia hit extensively and have never read that. I'm not saying your wrong, I would like to read it though.
That document doesn't say anything about it being Anastasia.
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According to this doc, Chink, when he learned about Albert’s plot, run to Gambino an tell him about.
“Iacovetti to be directly involved in a murder with Biondo, Gambino and Leo”
Yeah, not mentioned, in which “murder” they are involved. But it more logical, that was a Anastasia
Any information existing anywhere on the Jewish hitmen sent to kill Maranzano? If not their identities then any general information, i.e. how many of them were there in the team. Thanks
'You don't go crucifying people outside a church; not on Good Friday.'
Based on the available literature it appears either Alfred Salerno or Antonio Caponigro himself was the shooter (it can be reasonably assumed therefore, that the one who wasn't acted as the killer's getaway driver).
Frank Sindone was involved in the conspiracy. Some sources say John Simone was as well and that was the reason why he was killed; others state he was simply executed for posing a threat to the new leadership of Philip Testa/ Nicodemo Scarfo. John Stanfa was possibly in on the hit. I remember reading that after he was hospitalized due to his injuries he was visited by I think Sindone and perhaps Caponigro, I can't remember fully. Then again that meeting, if it took place, could have been just to tell him that the killers had no intentions of going after him too. He could've gone on the lam because he was involved or he could have gone on the lam because he knew how it would be perceived with him being Bruno's driver, regardless of his actual involvement. There seems to be enough room for doubt there that it's hard to say definitively one way or the other and we'll probably never know for sure.
In his book, Leonetti recalls Ralph Napoli confessing that he had sourced the shotgun for Caponigro (I can't remember if he mentioned anyone else) but was basically told not to worry about it. Natale I think (and this is the guy who claimed to be made at a private ceremony by Carlo Gambino and Angelo Bruno, so take his information with a lifetime supply of salt) that Felix Bocchino and Dominic DeVito were in on the murder as well.
'You don't go crucifying people outside a church; not on Good Friday.'
Eline2015 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:34 am
On maryferrel docs also mentions Arthur Leo and Dave Iacovetti
Can you provide a link for that? I've researched the Anastasia hit extensively and have never read that. I'm not saying your wrong, I would like to read it though.
chin_gigante wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:10 am
Angelo Bruno (Snyder Avenue, 21st March 1980):
Based on the available literature it appears either Alfred Salerno or Antonio Caponigro himself was the shooter (it can be reasonably assumed therefore, that the one who wasn't acted as the killer's getaway driver).
Frank Sindone was involved in the conspiracy. Some sources say John Simone was as well and that was the reason why he was killed; others state he was simply executed for posing a threat to the new leadership of Philip Testa/ Nicodemo Scarfo. John Stanfa was possibly in on the hit. I remember reading that after he was hospitalized due to his injuries he was visited by I think Sindone and perhaps Caponigro, I can't remember fully. Then again that meeting, if it took place, could have been just to tell him that the killers had no intentions of going after him too. He could've gone on the lam because he was involved or he could have gone on the lam because he knew how it would be perceived with him being Bruno's driver, regardless of his actual involvement. There seems to be enough room for doubt there that it's hard to say definitively one way or the other and we'll probably never know for sure.
In his book, Leonetti recalls Ralph Napoli confessing that he had sourced the shotgun for Caponigro (I can't remember if he mentioned anyone else) but was basically told not to worry about it. Natale I think (and this is the guy who claimed to be made at a private ceremony by Carlo Gambino and Angelo Bruno, so take his information with a lifetime supply of salt) that Felix Bocchino and Dominic DeVito were in on the murder as well.
Stanfa lammed it in Baltimore working at a pizzeria.
The Gambino Corbi crew (or what was
left if it) were hiding and supporting him.
chin_gigante wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:10 am
Angelo Bruno (Snyder Avenue, 21st March 1980):
Based on the available literature it appears either Alfred Salerno or Antonio Caponigro himself was the shooter (it can be reasonably assumed therefore, that the one who wasn't acted as the killer's getaway driver).
Frank Sindone was involved in the conspiracy. Some sources say John Simone was as well and that was the reason why he was killed; others state he was simply executed for posing a threat to the new leadership of Philip Testa/ Nicodemo Scarfo. John Stanfa was possibly in on the hit. I remember reading that after he was hospitalized due to his injuries he was visited by I think Sindone and perhaps Caponigro, I can't remember fully. Then again that meeting, if it took place, could have been just to tell him that the killers had no intentions of going after him too. He could've gone on the lam because he was involved or he could have gone on the lam because he knew how it would be perceived with him being Bruno's driver, regardless of his actual involvement. There seems to be enough room for doubt there that it's hard to say definitively one way or the other and we'll probably never know for sure.
In his book, Leonetti recalls Ralph Napoli confessing that he had sourced the shotgun for Caponigro (I can't remember if he mentioned anyone else) but was basically told not to worry about it. Natale I think (and this is the guy who claimed to be made at a private ceremony by Carlo Gambino and Angelo Bruno, so take his information with a lifetime supply of salt) that Felix Bocchino and Dominic DeVito were in on the murder as well.
Leonetti had previously given info after he flipped that it was Felix Bocchino who supplied the shotgun. Bocchino was a partner of Caponigro's in some rackets, so there was at least a relationship there. George Fresolone was of the opinion that Caponigro did the shooting himself, but he didn't have any basis for it. I find it unlikely given Caponigro's status, age, and how recognizable he would have been, plus he allegedly believed he had Commission approval so he wouldn't have needed to put himself at risk like that. A witness claimed to have seen Riccobene associate Victor DeLuca in the neighborhood prior to the shooting. Given DeLuca's reputation for violence, including the future Monte hit and his willingness to go to war against a future boss (Scarfo), it seems possible to me he was the shooter. It wouldn't necessarily be an indication that Riccobene was involved, either, as Long John Martorano was originally an associate of the Riccobene group and his behavior surrounding the Bruno murder is highly suspicious, so he could have brought DeLuca into the conspiracy.
From what Caramandi said, it sounds like Caponigro hinted about the murder before it happened and told Caramandi that he would get straightened out afterward. Caramandi was an associate on record with DeVito, so seems possible DeVito had an idea about what was going to happen. Who knows, maybe DeVito's murder even happened in part because of this and not just his old beef with Merlino as said by Caramandi (who wasn't involved in the DeVito murder conspiracy and, according to Caramandi himself, was on the verge of being killed with DeVito).
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