Lawrence Ricci Murder

[slimshady_007]

Lovin the thread so far. Anyone know which Gambinos had a piece of the ILA racket along with the Fiumara’s crew?

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

I would put more confidence in the NJ Crime Commission and FBI when they state
that a capo was the overseer of NJ based crews. At least a capo that went to the
Chin's club to report to the Chin or other ruling panel members. Maybe not all matters
needed to be discussed with NYC, however the making of new members would be one
area that would make it necessary.

[HairyKnuckles]

The list is what it is. No doubt about that. But that doesn't automtically mean that Esposito is head of a NJ crew or some kind of liason. Those kind of lists are circulalated among the captains and higher ups. It could be that that particular list happened to be in Esposito ' s possession when his house was raided.

[Wiseguy]

It was definitely the case with Fiumara. Westside have had New Jersey boss since Moretti. It goes Moretti -> Catena(Boiardo/Decarlo) -> Tony Pro -> Bobby Manna -> Fiumara. FBI reported numerous times he's nj boss, Capeci had an article about it in the early 00's. In the status report on OC by the state of NJ commision of investigation from 2004 is said the following:

During his time on the street, Fiumara served as head of the New Jersey faction of the Genovese organization.

What's interesting is he was far more powerful at the time than a lot of people realise. He didn't just oversee his crew and the other four nj based genovese crews, but also ny based genovese crews with partial interests and operations in jersey. So, around the Ricci murder Fiumara supposedly had under him:

- fiumara/coppola crew at the time with acting capos Borelli & Ricci
- angelo prisco's crew / he was also the liason between ny an nj / acting capo LaScala
- Joseph Gatto's crew
- Ninny Brusci's crew
- DeVita's crew - there's a chance he was probably only "acting" at the time since that was Angelo Gerardo's crew and was reported despite being retired forever to still receive envelopes from his old crew and make key decisions when needed

On top of that you had members of Matty Horse's crew, Rosario Gangi's crew, Malangone's crew and Vinny DiNapoli's crew who all had to report their activities to Fiumara.

I have to agree with Hairy Knuckles. A lot of assumptions and reading into things here. For instance, those NY-based crews at the end of your post are mentioned in the 2004 report (which most of your info is based on) but there's nothing there about them reporting to Fiumara.

And while there's some good info in that report, there's some questionable things too, i.e. stuff that doesn't line up with the more solid info of the feds.

Lovin the thread so far. Anyone know which Gambinos had a piece of the ILA racket along with the Fiumara’s crew?

It was mainly Anthony "Sonny" Ciccone's crew.

Angelo Prisco's crew was also involved in the waterfront.

[Cheech]

The list is what it is. No doubt about that. But that doesn't automtically mean that Esposito is head of a NJ crew or some kind of liason. Those kind of lists are circulalated among the captains and higher ups. It could be that that particular list happened to be in Esposito ' s possession when his house was raided.

anythings possible its why i dont think we can rule out a NJ liaison

[moneyman]

Apologies if this is not relevant to the thread, but I've always wanted to ask this.

Skinny (a former poster from GangsterBB) posted this back in 2015. He seemed knowledgable with recent NJ Genovese history so I thought this was worth bringing up. Can anybody verify any of this info or is it just Gangsterbb bs.

"Devita ran what was left of the andy Gerardo crew which was the main crew in the newark/essex co suburbs. Tinos crew and the Gatto crew both came from pete laplaca and are basically just one crew again today. Originally there were two ny crews with jersey guys that i can think of, benny eggs and patty mac. patty macs crew basically merged with chuckie tuzzo and eggs crew is basically the lascala crew"

He also mentioned the following,

"Lodi is old pete laplacas territory, later the gattos, then tino and now borelli."

The Chuckie Tuzzo part might explain how Vito Alberti was in Chuckie Tuzzo crew when Alberti and Tuzzo were busted a few years ago as part of Tuzzo's crew. For what it's worth this was posted before that bust

[Cheech]

Skinny had good info, some others may disagree. hes dad was a knockaround gambler with the Lodi crew is what he told me privately. who knows

[slimshady_007]

Since we’re on the topic of Joe Gatto here’s an interesting article that talks about someone in his crew gettin clipped- http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... hp?t=40806

[Wiseguy]

Since we’re on the topic of Joe Gatto here’s an interesting article that talks about someone in his crew gettin clipped- http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... hp?t=40806

That wasn't a mob hit but a conspiracy between Marcucci's son and an accomplice to kill him and collect insurance money.

[HairyKnuckles]

Apologies if this is not relevant to the thread, but I've always wanted to ask this.

Skinny (a former poster from GangsterBB) posted this back in 2015. He seemed knowledgable with recent NJ Genovese history so I thought this was worth bringing up. Can anybody verify any of this info or is it just Gangsterbb bs.

"Devita ran what was left of the andy Gerardo crew which was the main crew in the newark/essex co suburbs. Tinos crew and the Gatto crew both came from pete laplaca and are basically just one crew again today. Originally there were two ny crews with jersey guys that i can think of, benny eggs and patty mac. patty macs crew basically merged with chuckie tuzzo and eggs crew is basically the lascala crew"

He also mentioned the following,

"Lodi is old pete laplacas territory, later the gattos, then tino and now borelli."

The Chuckie Tuzzo part might explain how Vito Alberti was in Chuckie Tuzzo crew when Alberti and Tuzzo were busted a few years ago as part of Tuzzo's crew. For what it's worth this was posted before that bust

Skinny had very good info. He was basically correct when he made that post. LaPlaca took over from Gene Catena and when he died in 1979, Louis Gatto Sr took over. Tino Fiumara may have been a captain (or possibly just an acting captain) in between these two but stepped down when he was indicted in 1979. Some time after Fiumara was released in 1994, he retook control of this crew. (Gatto Sr was inprisoned in 1991; sentenced to 65 years.)

Mangano appears to have come up under Gigante and succeded his brother Mario as crew leader in 1983. Canterino replaced him after he was made underboss.

I can´t confirm what he said about Tuzzo but it appears Tuzzo came up under Generoso. But I´m not sure about that.

[DPG]

Listen to the feds listen to the feds I've read it for years. Then you read how the feds embellish and make things bigger than they are. Can everyone agree it's not black and white for once?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Listen to the feds listen to the feds I've read it for years. Then you read how the feds embellish and make things bigger than they are. Can everyone agree it's not black and white for once?

It’s all mostly a best guess scenario at the best of times. It is a secret society after all. It comes down more to listen to the feds vs anyone else for proper context. And as you say, even they embellish when it suits.

[Wiseguy]

Listen to the feds listen to the feds I've read it for years. Then you read how the feds embellish and make things bigger than they are. Can everyone agree it's not black and white for once?

I don't think anyone is saying it's black and white or that the feds are infallible. But they are the most solid and consistent source of correct info when it comes to this secret society we all follow. And time has shown, again and again, that those who consider them just another source that can be readily dismissed at will end up being wrong the vast majority of the time.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Listen to the feds listen to the feds I've read it for years. Then you read how the feds embellish and make things bigger than they are. Can everyone agree it's not black and white for once?

I don't think anyone is saying it's black and white or that the feds are infallible. But they are the most solid and consistent source of correct info when it comes to this secret society we all follow. And time has shown, again and again, that those who consider them just another source that can be readily dismissed at will end up being wrong the vast majority of the time.

You need to learn how not to bite.

(So do I)

[DPG]

Listen to the feds listen to the feds I've read it for years. Then you read how the feds embellish and make things bigger than they are. Can everyone agree it's not black and white for once?

I don't think anyone is saying it's black and white or that the feds are infallible. But they are the most solid and consistent source of correct info when it comes to this secret society we all follow. And time has shown, again and again, that those who consider them just another source that can be readily dismissed at will end up being wrong the vast majority of the time.

So is there a NJ Overall Capo/Boss or is that something that the feds have made up time and time again?

Imo it's all wiki bs but I know dick about anything post 1960 when it comes to the NY/NJ mob compared to most of you guys and above all the feds.