FriendofHenry wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:32 pm
Always good to know that research trumps all. I only know what I know from my personal relationship with Michael, Charlie, Jo Jo and his brothers, Charlie, Pat and even Paul. If that means I was there then I was there. I'm sure you've got plenty to tell me about all of them. Obviously you knew them better than I did. I'll just sit back and learn. BTW: When did I say or even imply that Paul was Joe's eyes and ears or that Paul trumped Henry's influence with John.
If zebo went to wheeling and fucked with Paul hankish with out permission from Jojo Pecora or the pitt top brass , Zebo would of been whacked
I would think Hankish would outrank zebo , even though he was lebanese he was A boss of his terroity, zebo while a highly respected associate wasnt on hankish level
Without question the majority Henry's visits to Paul were trips for Jo Jo. I'm sure they involved picking up tribute as that was hen we would get paper bags to bring home. However Henry and Paul were involved in the postage stamp business. Henry robbed the post offices and Paul had a coin dealer in Dayton that fenced the goods. I have no idea if that was strictly a Paul and Henry deal or if Jo Jo and John were cut in on the deal.
I understand what you're saying about Paul being higher ranked than Zebo. Hell, he controlled a big piece of the action in West Virginia. I actually agree. Additionally, I'm firmly convinced until otherwise shown, that Zebo was not a made man at the time. We'll see what the research shows, but i'm convinced that Henrey wasn't made until Michael was boss. We'll see what we shall see.
I have no idea when zebo was made all I am saying is he was named as a made guy in the drug trials in the late 80's , so by 1989 the feds/witness are saying he was a made guy. So I agree he was made by Genovese the only question is when
Foh I would also love to know when Ferruccio was made
I was traveling with Henry to visit Paul in the late 70s and early 80s when John was Boss. Meaning other than Paul's thing, no drugs in play for the family at that time. All of that changed with Michael and for sure it was Michael that made Zebo in the late 80s as reported.
I have no idea when Pat was made and/or by whom. Maybe JCB can enlighten us on that?
"Never walk in a room unless you know your way out" - Henry Zottola
FriendofHenry wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:32 pm
Always good to know that research trumps all. I only know what I know from my personal relationship with Michael, Charlie, Jo Jo and his brothers, Charlie, Pat and even Paul. If that means I was there then I was there. I'm sure you've got plenty to tell me about all of them. Obviously you knew them better than I did. I'll just sit back and learn. BTW: When did I say or even imply that Paul was Joe's eyes and ears or that Paul trumped Henry's influence with John.
If zebo went to wheeling and fucked with Paul hankish with out permission from Jojo Pecora or the pitt top brass , Zebo would of been whacked
I would think Hankish would outrank zebo , even though he was lebanese he was A boss of his terroity, zebo while a highly respected associate wasnt on hankish level
Without question the majority Henry's visits to Paul were trips for Jo Jo. I'm sure they involved picking up tribute as that was hen we would get paper bags to bring home. However Henry and Paul were involved in the postage stamp business. Henry robbed the post offices and Paul had a coin dealer in Dayton that fenced the goods. I have no idea if that was strictly a Paul and Henry deal or if Jo Jo and John were cut in on the deal.
I understand what you're saying about Paul being higher ranked than Zebo. Hell, he controlled a big piece of the action in West Virginia. I actually agree. Additionally, I'm firmly convinced until otherwise shown, that Zebo was not a made man at the time. We'll see what the research shows, but i'm convinced that Henrey wasn't made until Michael was boss. We'll see what we shall see.
I have no idea when zebo was made all I am saying is he was named as a made guy in the drug trials in the late 80's , so by 1989 the feds/witness are saying he was a made guy. So I agree he was made by Genovese the only question is when
Foh I would also love to know when Ferruccio was made
What we do know is this per FBI SA Roger Greenbank:
1986- Chucky Porter and Sonny Ciancutti were made
1987- Joey Naples and Lenny Strollo were made (per the FBI and per Lenny's testimony in 1999)
Chucky Porter got indicted in 1989 and held without bail. Joey Rosa was indicted in 1988 and began feeding the Feds info. Henry was made between 1988-1989. By August of 1991 after Joey Naples was assasinated, Henry became the conduit to the Youngstown faction for Mike Genovese.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
FriendofHenry wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:32 pm
Always good to know that research trumps all. I only know what I know from my personal relationship with Michael, Charlie, Jo Jo and his brothers, Charlie, Pat and even Paul. If that means I was there then I was there. I'm sure you've got plenty to tell me about all of them. Obviously you knew them better than I did. I'll just sit back and learn. BTW: When did I say or even imply that Paul was Joe's eyes and ears or that Paul trumped Henry's influence with John.
If zebo went to wheeling and fucked with Paul hankish with out permission from Jojo Pecora or the pitt top brass , Zebo would of been whacked
I would think Hankish would outrank zebo , even though he was lebanese he was A boss of his terroity, zebo while a highly respected associate wasnt on hankish level
Without question the majority Henry's visits to Paul were trips for Jo Jo. I'm sure they involved picking up tribute as that was hen we would get paper bags to bring home. However Henry and Paul were involved in the postage stamp business. Henry robbed the post offices and Paul had a coin dealer in Dayton that fenced the goods. I have no idea if that was strictly a Paul and Henry deal or if Jo Jo and John were cut in on the deal.
I understand what you're saying about Paul being higher ranked than Zebo. Hell, he controlled a big piece of the action in West Virginia. I actually agree. Additionally, I'm firmly convinced until otherwise shown, that Zebo was not a made man at the time. We'll see what the research shows, but i'm convinced that Henrey wasn't made until Michael was boss. We'll see what we shall see.
I have no idea when zebo was made all I am saying is he was named as a made guy in the drug trials in the late 80's , so by 1989 the feds/witness are saying he was a made guy. So I agree he was made by Genovese the only question is when
Foh I would also love to know when Ferruccio was made
What we do know is this per FBI SA Roger Greenbank:
1986- Chucky Porter and Sonny Ciancutti were made
1987- Joey Naples and Lenny Strollo were made (per the FBI and per Lenny's testimony in 1999)
Chucky Porter got indicted in 1989 and held without bail. Joey Rosa was indicted in 1988 and began feeding the Feds info. Henry was made between 1988-1989. By August of 1991 after Joey Naples was assasinated, Henry became the conduit to the Youngstown faction for Mike Genovese.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
I have absolutely no evidence of when Pat Feruccio was made. Is there a chance he was made by Cleveland in the 1970's? By 1978, he was definitely aligned with Pittsburgh
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
FriendofHenry wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:32 pm
Always good to know that research trumps all. I only know what I know from my personal relationship with Michael, Charlie, Jo Jo and his brothers, Charlie, Pat and even Paul. If that means I was there then I was there. I'm sure you've got plenty to tell me about all of them. Obviously you knew them better than I did. I'll just sit back and learn. BTW: When did I say or even imply that Paul was Joe's eyes and ears or that Paul trumped Henry's influence with John.
If zebo went to wheeling and fucked with Paul hankish with out permission from Jojo Pecora or the pitt top brass , Zebo would of been whacked
I would think Hankish would outrank zebo , even though he was lebanese he was A boss of his terroity, zebo while a highly respected associate wasnt on hankish level
Without question the majority Henry's visits to Paul were trips for Jo Jo. I'm sure they involved picking up tribute as that was hen we would get paper bags to bring home. However Henry and Paul were involved in the postage stamp business. Henry robbed the post offices and Paul had a coin dealer in Dayton that fenced the goods. I have no idea if that was strictly a Paul and Henry deal or if Jo Jo and John were cut in on the deal.
I understand what you're saying about Paul being higher ranked than Zebo. Hell, he controlled a big piece of the action in West Virginia. I actually agree. Additionally, I'm firmly convinced until otherwise shown, that Zebo was not a made man at the time. We'll see what the research shows, but i'm convinced that Henrey wasn't made until Michael was boss. We'll see what we shall see.
I have no idea when zebo was made all I am saying is he was named as a made guy in the drug trials in the late 80's , so by 1989 the feds/witness are saying he was a made guy. So I agree he was made by Genovese the only question is when
Foh I would also love to know when Ferruccio was made
What we do know is this per FBI SA Roger Greenbank:
1986- Chucky Porter and Sonny Ciancutti were made
1987- Joey Naples and Lenny Strollo were made (per the FBI and per Lenny's testimony in 1999)
Chucky Porter got indicted in 1989 and held without bail. Joey Rosa was indicted in 1988 and began feeding the Feds info. Henry was made between 1988-1989. By August of 1991 after Joey Naples was assasinated, Henry became the conduit to the Youngstown faction for Mike Genovese.
Would Henry Zebo have been the last Pitt member to be made?
FriendofHenry wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:32 pm
Always good to know that research trumps all. I only know what I know from my personal relationship with Michael, Charlie, Jo Jo and his brothers, Charlie, Pat and even Paul. If that means I was there then I was there. I'm sure you've got plenty to tell me about all of them. Obviously you knew them better than I did. I'll just sit back and learn. BTW: When did I say or even imply that Paul was Joe's eyes and ears or that Paul trumped Henry's influence with John.
If zebo went to wheeling and fucked with Paul hankish with out permission from Jojo Pecora or the pitt top brass , Zebo would of been whacked
I would think Hankish would outrank zebo , even though he was lebanese he was A boss of his terroity, zebo while a highly respected associate wasnt on hankish level
Without question the majority Henry's visits to Paul were trips for Jo Jo. I'm sure they involved picking up tribute as that was hen we would get paper bags to bring home. However Henry and Paul were involved in the postage stamp business. Henry robbed the post offices and Paul had a coin dealer in Dayton that fenced the goods. I have no idea if that was strictly a Paul and Henry deal or if Jo Jo and John were cut in on the deal.
I understand what you're saying about Paul being higher ranked than Zebo. Hell, he controlled a big piece of the action in West Virginia. I actually agree. Additionally, I'm firmly convinced until otherwise shown, that Zebo was not a made man at the time. We'll see what the research shows, but i'm convinced that Henrey wasn't made until Michael was boss. We'll see what we shall see.
I have no idea when zebo was made all I am saying is he was named as a made guy in the drug trials in the late 80's , so by 1989 the feds/witness are saying he was a made guy. So I agree he was made by Genovese the only question is when
Foh I would also love to know when Ferruccio was made
What we do know is this per FBI SA Roger Greenbank:
1986- Chucky Porter and Sonny Ciancutti were made
1987- Joey Naples and Lenny Strollo were made (per the FBI and per Lenny's testimony in 1999)
Chucky Porter got indicted in 1989 and held without bail. Joey Rosa was indicted in 1988 and began feeding the Feds info. Henry was made between 1988-1989. By August of 1991 after Joey Naples was assasinated, Henry became the conduit to the Youngstown faction for Mike Genovese.
Would Henry Zebo have been the last Pitt member to be made?
Yes, without hesitation.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
Which individuals (members and associates) were directly with
1 Genovese
2 Sica
3 Imburglia
in 1980?
We have 6 crews in:
Penn Hills/Pittsburgh
Fayette and Washington County
Youngstown, OH
Altoona/Johnstown
West Virginia
Steubenville, OH
Seven if you count Canton, OH (Ferruccia)
4) What other territories were "with Pittsburgh" that fall outside of these crews? Hankesh and that one guy you were telling me about who ran gambling in Beaver County, what other localities aside from the 7 main crews are to be featured? Erie?
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:42 am
I have absolutely no evidence of when Pat Feruccio was made. Is there a chance he was made by Cleveland in the 1970's? By 1978, he was definitely aligned with Pittsburgh
Pat was definitely with Pittsburgh when I first met him at Lenny's restaurant in North Lima, Ohio.
It was apparent that Pat and Lenny were long time friends. Maybe did they grow up together?
"Never walk in a room unless you know your way out" - Henry Zottola
Pat Ferruccio had a falling out in the 1960's with Cleveland. Pat was looking for greener pastures in the 1970's and after Tony Delsanter died in 1977 he was able to make a move (or complete a move) as Cleveland was relinquishing Warren/Youngstown. Canton being his territory he was able to do his vending machines in Eastern Ohio, PA, and WV. All I know is he was made in Cleveland. I don't have anything that somehow Pat was made in Pittsburgh. It was more of a migration of him aligning with Pittsburgh. In 1980 I can unequivocally say that Pat was with Pittsburgh it just made sense. That doesn't mean he wasn't doing a couple of deals in Akron (which is Cleveland Territory) due to the proximity. Ten plus years later he moved up the chain of command until they took him down.
Pat Ferruccio was pretty slick and he could move money around and make something look big or something small financially and I don't think people really fully trusted him.
I don't have any MF or PCC or Court Records to back up what I am saying. There are very few people alive that could verify what I am saying and I certainly couldn't get an affidavit from someone as I don't have that "BB's" to make them.
I will say one thing that is verifiable is Angelo Lonardo said he was a made guy under LaRocca Crime Family. That doesn't mean he was made in Pittsburgh.
Chris Christie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:04 pm
What was Pittsburgh's vernacular for Captain? If we don't know that perhaps then the term the local FBI/LEOs used.
Lieutenant
Caporegime/a
Capodecina/e
Capo
Area Boss?
Were there crews/captains direct with Genovese and then crews direct with Sica/Imburglia or was it pretty standard/traditional?
What I have seen Lt mostly used by law enforcement
"if he's such A sports wizard , whys he tending bar ?" Nicky Scarfo
Chris Christie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:04 pm
What was Pittsburgh's vernacular for Captain? If we don't know that perhaps then the term the local FBI/LEOs used.
Lieutenant
Caporegime/a
Capodecina/e
Capo
Area Boss?
Were there crews/captains direct with Genovese and then crews direct with Sica/Imburglia or was it pretty standard/traditional?
What I have seen Lt mostly used by law enforcement
Chris Christie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:58 pm
Which individuals (members and associates) were directly with
1 Genovese
2 Sica
3 Imburglia
in 1980?
We have 6 crews in:
Penn Hills/Pittsburgh
Fayette and Washington County
Youngstown, OH
Altoona/Johnstown
West Virginia
Steubenville, OH
Seven if you count Canton, OH (Ferruccia)
4) What other territories were "with Pittsburgh" that fall outside of these crews? Hankesh and that one guy you were telling me about who ran gambling in Beaver County, what other localities aside from the 7 main crews are to be featured? Erie?
1980-Charlie Imburgia
Jack Lorenzetti
Joseph Perfette (was absorbed by Pittsburgh after the fall out)
Dominic Buzzacco
Michael "Mugsy" Malvasi
Jimmy Coates
**Friend of Henry, would you like to add to this?
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
West Virginia
Steubenville
Youngstown
Canton
Altoona/Johnstown
**Beaver County is 30 miles North of Pittsburgh, it would fall under Western PA. Frank Unis Sr and Frank Unis Jr headed that operation..Frank Jr took over Beaver County gambling for his father. Unfortunately, he was a low life drug addict who was a superstar athlete at Aliquippa High School
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
Chris Christie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:58 pm
Which individuals (members and associates) were directly with
1 Genovese
2 Sica
3 Imburglia
in 1980?
We have 6 crews in:
Penn Hills/Pittsburgh
Fayette and Washington County
Youngstown, OH
Altoona/Johnstown
West Virginia
Steubenville, OH
Seven if you count Canton, OH (Ferruccia)
4) What other territories were "with Pittsburgh" that fall outside of these crews? Hankesh and that one guy you were telling me about who ran gambling in Beaver County, what other localities aside from the 7 main crews are to be featured? Erie?
1980-Charlie Imburgia
Jack Lorenzetti
Joseph Perfette (was absorbed by Pittsburgh after the fall out)
Dominic Buzzacco
Michael "Mugsy" Malvasi
Jimmy Coates
**Friend of Henry, would you like to add to this?
Perfette was still with Cleveland in 1980 , there was a split of trumball county in 85-86 50/50
"if he's such A sports wizard , whys he tending bar ?" Nicky Scarfo
