Alphonse Trucchio

[slimshady_007]

Whether it was the Genovese or Bonannos that actually took out Nicholas Cirillo, it's apparent that Dom Cirillo gave the ok.

Thats cold blooded man. How can a dad whack his own kid?

A natural question but, in playing devil's advocate, isn't that what these guys swear an oath to? To put the mob (and it's rules) before even their own family.

Well u aren’t wrong. He did take an oath and his kid did act like a fuckhead putting his hands on a made guy. Im sure dom wasn’t thrilled with killin his kid but he did what he had to do. I remember i think john gambino said at the 2010 philly- gambino sitdown that ‘ya gotti play by the rules since it is the once way to survive’. Dom must shared that same perspective. This whole story would make a gr8 gangster flick.

[UTC]

Whether it was the Genovese or Bonannos that actually took out Nicholas Cirillo, it's apparent that Dom Cirillo gave the ok.

Thats cold blooded man. How can a dad whack his own kid?

They may have hated each other's guts anyway. We're assuming it was a normal healthy relationship.

[chubby]

Who reported that Vernace slapped Trucchio?

I guess I did? On here and the other place atleast.. it's weird how I thought it was taken as fact that trucchio did indeed get knocked down.. then when someone tries to give what they believe to be the real truth of why everyone believes I forgot to take my psych meds and decided to make it up because it sounded good..

I heard about the story I told quite a while before I ever mentioned it.. and before I posted it I made small talk with people I deem credible and by 2 different people all I did was mention roc or trucchio.. nothing about Vernace or any altercation just about either of them separately around that time and the first responses I got from the 2 other people (besides the person who told me) were of similar stories.

And the quiet doms son debate will never end. I've never waivered for a second that vinny killed him. Or gave the order but he was grimey enough I think he probably did it himself. I'm sorry but I don't see vinny taking someone comingbat his sons lightly. Remember what he did to santoro for talking about kidnapping one of his kids? )2 put like 5 shotgun slugs into him.

Dom’s kid was whacked by the genoveses. When joey massino asked him in prison if the Bonannos had anything to do with the actual hit vinny said they didnt.

Honestly I don't want this to turn into the 100th derailed thread about who killed quiet doms son. It's almost as pointless as arguing religion or politics, no one is changing their mind... but in all honesty the massino recording of basciano putting it on dom and the west side in no way in my eyes is that evidence that dom ok'Ed it. Actually when I read those transcripts it reinforced my belief that vinny was behind it... think about the people we're talking about here...you have to be a master manipulator/good liar/ expert in deception is how these guys live Day to day and stay alive in this life... did anyone really expect vinny to admit to murdering a longtime west side powerhouses son on the sneak? I'm sure vinny was quick to say dom gave the nod to strictly deflect it as far away from him as possible... not to mention I've heard from over a couple people that there was no way dom ok'Ed it and he was fucked up over the death. (One of these people was the same person who told me about this whole roc/trucchio/Vernace situation. And no not pb)

Not trying to argue at all or try to convince anyone of anything on this situation. I just figured I would explain my rational reasons for why I think vinny was involved and it was done on the sneak without approval.

[Fughedaboutit]

Yeah the Dom and did he give the okay or not argument is old and has been done 5000 times....it ends up the same place...Nowhere

[SonnyBlackstein]

It’s interesting that Cicale never said anything regarding the hit. If Basciano was behind it, Cicale was his go to guy. And the kid disappeared without trace which sounds like a multiple person job. So it’s unlikely Vinny acted alone, and unlikely that Cicale wasn’t used (considering he was the recipient of the transgression too) so I think the evidence points away from Vinny.

Maybe it wasn’t either family and the kid was tied up in drugs.

Who knows.

[Wiseguy]

If someone doesn't believe Cirillo gave the ok for his son's murder, whatever, but they should have a better reason than other people on the internet claiming they have any personal knowledge about it.

[chubby]

If someone doesn't believe Cirillo gave the ok for his son's murder, whatever, but they should have a better reason than other people on the internet claiming they have any personal knowledge about it.

I hope this wasn't directed towards me cause I in no way have ever stated to have some secret all access street source nor did I state any hearsay about the situation. Just gave my opinion that's all... I'm just a kid who chimes in when I feel I have something decent I can contribute here... I've heard all sorts of things that I think to be true but refrain from posting for the most part because I can't 100 percent back up my claims with concrete proof. When i do chime in I always try to let it be known that what I'm about to say is "what I've heard" or "what I've been told". I hate people who stir the pot on here to chaos chaos and arguments... and I can say with certainty that I've never been guilty of that on either board... I respect your research wiseguy..

Ok sorry for derailing the thread let's get back on topic... how about that Christmas photo of trucchios crew? Always thought that was a great photo. Does anyone know how many made guys he had under him? I know his crew was huge but it seems like it was mostly made up of younger associates.

[TommyGambino]

wait a minute....

we just debated for three pages whether it was ok or not for Trucchio to get slapped bc someone HEARD third hand like scenarios happened!?!

...wow..

The people. dsbaloo, PB and Lalange on gbb all said Trucchio was demoted and monk sassano got his crew, he was slapped by Vernace, about 6 months later Capeci reports the exact same thing, trucchio is broke down from captain and Sassano gets the crew, only difference is instead of Trucchio getting slapped he was 'assaulted' maybe the slap didn't happen but given they got the other details right, it wouldn't surprise me

i do not recall capeci reporting the slap. can you post it?

Read my post again Cheech, Capeci reported an assault, not a slap. Not a GL subscriber but I remember in the article Trucchio's lawyer denied the assault to capeci

[TommyGambino]

If someone doesn't believe Cirillo gave the ok for his son's murder, whatever, but they should have a better reason than other people on the internet claiming they have any personal knowledge about it.

I hope this wasn't directed towards me cause I in no way have ever stated to have some secret all access street source nor did I state any hearsay about the situation. Just gave my opinion that's all... I'm just a kid who chimes in when I feel I have something decent I can contribute here... I've heard all sorts of things that I think to be true but refrain from posting for the most part because I can't 100 percent back up my claims with concrete proof. When i do chime in I always try to let it be known that what I'm about to say is "what I've heard" or "what I've been told". I hate people who stir the pot on here to chaos chaos and arguments... and I can say with certainty that I've never been guilty of that on either board... I respect your research wiseguy..

Ok sorry for derailing the thread let's get back on topic... how about that Christmas photo of trucchios crew? Always thought that was a great photo. Does anyone know how many made guys he had under him? I know his crew was huge but it seems like it was mostly made up of younger associates.

Agree, that christmas photo is a classic. I'm sure someone else will be able to name more but I can only name 3 soldiers that were under Trucchio, Roc, Sassano and Moscatiello Jr, Moscatiello Sr was out in Florida but I've no idea if he was under Trucchio. Capeci exposed him as a rat in Gangland a couple of years ago

[Cheech]

Ernie Boy is in photo as well.
I will look again to find a Capeci column mentioning it but i looked before and never found. I think it has become one of those myths.

Tommy sorry I misread

[Cheech]

If someone doesn't believe Cirillo gave the ok for his son's murder, whatever, but they should have a better reason than other people on the internet claiming they have any personal knowledge about it.

Did I say personal knowledge? From everything I have read i just dont believe it. You can believe whatever you want and u maybe right.

[Pogo The Clown]

It’s interesting that Cicale never said anything regarding the hit. If Basciano was behind it, Cicale was his go to guy. And the kid disappeared without trace which sounds like a multiple person job. So it’s unlikely Vinny acted alone, and unlikely that Cicale wasn’t used (considering he was the recipient of the transgression too) so I think the evidence points away from Vinny.

Maybe it wasn’t either family and the kid was tied up in drugs.

Who knows.

Cicale said the Genovese were behind it. Here is what JD posted from Cicale's debriefings.

Around Spring 2004 Dominick Cicale was having renovations done on his real estate office. Cirillo showed up at the office to discuss money owed for the work and Cicale told him to mind his business. Cirillo raised his voice and Cicale slapped him. Cirillo then started toward his vehicle and made a comment about getting a gun. Cicale followed him, held him against the car and started beating him so he couldn't get at any weapons. There was a guy with Cirillo who was still inside the vehicle. He told Cicale there wasn't really a gun inside so he backed off. Both parties left the scene. Almost immediately after they were gone Vincent Basciano Jr. showed up and was questioned by the NYPD who been called to the location and had also just arrived. Cirillo did not hit or threaten Basciano Jr., they weren't there at the same time.

A few hours later Cicale was summoned to meet with Vincent Basciano, Michael Mancuso and an unspecified Genovese member. It was decided since Cirillo didn't actually put his hands on Cicale there was no issue and to let it end there. The Genovese member made a call and Cirillo showed up and apologized to Cicale for his behavior. They shook hands and that was it.

Cirillo was last seen May 9, 2004. Shortly thereafter Cicale met with Basciano and Mancuso. During this meeting Basciano expressed his opinion that the Genovese were taking advantage of the recent situation between Cicale/Cirillo to get rid of Cirillo and have the blame pointed elsewhere. Basciano told Mancuso to meet with one of the Genovese leaders (poss. Lawrence Dentico) and inform them the Bonannos had nothing to do with it. Mancuso and the Genovese met and they told Mancuso they already knew the Bonannos weren't responsible and no further action was taken.

After Cicale was indicted he spent time with Dominick Cirillo at MDC Brooklyn, and Cirillo also told him he knew Cicale had nothing to do with killing his son.

[JeremyTheJew]

It’s interesting that Cicale never said anything regarding the hit. If Basciano was behind it, Cicale was his go to guy. And the kid disappeared without trace which sounds like a multiple person job. So it’s unlikely Vinny acted alone, and unlikely that Cicale wasn’t used (considering he was the recipient of the transgression too) so I think the evidence points away from Vinny.

Maybe it wasn’t either family and the kid was tied up in drugs.

Who knows.

Cicale said the Genovese were behind it. Here is what JD posted from Cicale's debriefings.

Around Spring 2004 Dominick Cicale was having renovations done on his real estate office. Cirillo showed up at the office to discuss money owed for the work and Cicale told him to mind his business. Cirillo raised his voice and Cicale slapped him. Cirillo then started toward his vehicle and made a comment about getting a gun. Cicale followed him, held him against the car and started beating him so he couldn't get at any weapons. There was a guy with Cirillo who was still inside the vehicle. He told Cicale there wasn't really a gun inside so he backed off. Both parties left the scene. Almost immediately after they were gone Vincent Basciano Jr. showed up and was questioned by the NYPD who been called to the location and had also just arrived. Cirillo did not hit or threaten Basciano Jr., they weren't there at the same time.

A few hours later Cicale was summoned to meet with Vincent Basciano, Michael Mancuso and an unspecified Genovese member. It was decided since Cirillo didn't actually put his hands on Cicale there was no issue and to let it end there. The Genovese member made a call and Cirillo showed up and apologized to Cicale for his behavior. They shook hands and that was it.

Cirillo was last seen May 9, 2004. Shortly thereafter Cicale met with Basciano and Mancuso. During this meeting Basciano expressed his opinion that the Genovese were taking advantage of the recent situation between Cicale/Cirillo to get rid of Cirillo and have the blame pointed elsewhere. Basciano told Mancuso to meet with one of the Genovese leaders (poss. Lawrence Dentico) and inform them the Bonannos had nothing to do with it. Mancuso and the Genovese met and they told Mancuso they already knew the Bonannos weren't responsible and no further action was taken.

After Cicale was indicted he spent time with Dominick Cirillo at MDC Brooklyn, and Cirillo also told him he knew Cicale had nothing to do with killing his son.

interesting.... so according to Cicale , HE was the one in the fight w Cirillo.

Didn't Capeci report the other version of The story?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Great post Pogo. I now recall that breakdown of events.
Seems likely then either the Westside made him disappear for unknown reasons or still possibly an unrelated issue like dealing drugs/owing drug money.

Looks like we’ll never have the complete story.

[Wiseguy]

If someone doesn't believe Cirillo gave the ok for his son's murder, whatever, but they should have a better reason than other people on the internet claiming they have any personal knowledge about it.

Did I say personal knowledge? From everything I have read i just dont believe it. You can believe whatever you want and u maybe right.

I'm not saying you claimed personal knowledge. It just seems that once PB weighed in on this, saying Cirillo didn't have his son killed, a lot of people took that as fact. Even though, with all due respect to PB, he was really in no position to know. Meanwhile, it seems others sort of "projected" their view into the situation - believing it unthinkable a father could have his son killed (even in the mob) - and defaulted to thinking their must be some other explanation.