Sammy the bull

[slimshady_007]

According to sammy gravano, the reasom why he flipped was due to the tapes of john gotti bad mouthing him (even tho a lot what gotti said was true). So lets say that gotti never bad mouthed gravano and never implicated gravano in any killings, would gravano have still flipped? This is something i find very interesting and cant help but wonder. U think gravano would have done his time like a man or do u think gravano would have ratted everyone out?

[gohnjotti]

Hard to say. Sammy's got such a big ego that I can't imagine him taking his time on the chin like the wimp Frank LoCascio.

[bronx]

he flips

[Confederate]

he flips

This is all hypothetical of course but I think it would have depended upon what Gotti would have said on the Tapes. IF Gotti ONLY bad mouthed Gravano He might not have flipped. However, since Gotti implicated Gravano in Murders, then he would have flipped to save himself from long term Jail.

[Angelo Santino]

he flips

Thoughts on his book?

[TwoPiece]

Hard to say. Sammy's got such a big ego that I can't imagine him taking his time on the chin like the wimp Frank LoCascio.

Since when does taking your sentence without saying shit make you a wimp?

[bronx]

I did not read it Chris, I have spoken about it with many people who have read it, seems sam blamed everyone but himself, he killed his close guys, he did not save his close guys..gotti did..gotti blamed sam ,because gotti didn't order them killed they went to gotti to get them killed..my opinion Chris

[Angelo Santino]

I did not read it Chris, I have spoken about it with many people who have read it, seems sam blamed everyone but himself, he killed his close guys, he did not save his close guys..gotti did..gotti blamed sam ,because gotti didn't order them killed they went to gotti to get them killed..my opinion Chris

Well you should if you get the chance.

I read it when it first came out and my opinion of it then and my opinion now have changed considerably. During my first read Gravano came across as a sympathetic character, trying desperately to do things "the right way" while everyone else is the problem. Then a few years later he's busted in an ecstasy ring doing the same shenanigans. Now I reread the book and see it as a marketing ploy for him to reinvent himself as a honorable mafioso. Self-deprecation goes a long way but then he knew that. Regardless of what is said about him, Gravano wasn't dumb and probably has great intuition about people. He did claim he didn't testify against anyone in his old crew, not sure of the validity of that.

Here's a great documentary about his life post-witness protection and his attempts at an Arizona Mafia of rave attenders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zvnv6Seok0

[gohnjotti]

Hard to say. Sammy's got such a big ego that I can't imagine him taking his time on the chin like the wimp Frank LoCascio.

Since when does taking your sentence without saying shit make you a wimp?

Frank LoCascio is a wimp because of the abuse he took from Gotti. Sammy, on the other hand, didn't have that sort of blind, unending loyalty.

[SonnyBlackstein]

I’d hardly call Frank LoCascio a wimp.

[bronx]

hello Chris i agree with you on your assessment, that is what people who didn't know sam thought when the book came out, if you were from that nabe you knew he was full of it, he did not testify vs his crew,but gave most of the info about his guys ,murders ect. plus the G might have had a C.I. among the guys he never testified against. it was not only his crew he did not hurt, there were many guys who caught a break . the main C.I. the top echelon c.i. was never brought out because sam flipped. there was info about a guy that it could have been .sam could have crushed the mob further at that time..

[Angelo Santino]

hello Chris i agree with you on your assessment, that is what people who didn't know sam thought when the book came out, if you were from that nabe you knew he was full of it, he did not testify vs his crew,but gave most of the info about his guys ,murders ect. plus the G might have had a C.I. among the guys he never testified against. it was not only his crew he did not hurt, there were many guys who caught a break . the main C.I. the top echelon c.i. was never brought out because sam flipped. there was info about a guy that it could have been .sam could have crushed the mob further at that time..

I'm not from Bensonhurt and the way he described it as exclusively Ital is not my experience. But Brooklyn pre and post '2004 were different worlds, before they all moved to Staten Island most NYers refused to even consider it a borough. I'm curious what it's been suggested he lied about. The ghosts of his victims still haunt 18th Ave I've thought of picking up a Ouija and swinging by. https://nypost.com/2002/03/10/booo-da-b ... yn-eatery/

He had problems with Locascio, he doesn't describe it in the book but he certainly threw a big 'fuck you' his way. I remember reading this passage and wondering why the editors would have allowed for this. And in 1998 this comes out:

GOTTI UNDER FIRE FEDS SAY HE WANTED PAL SLAIN IN PRISON
By JERRY CAPECI and GREG B. SMITH

Wednesday, September 9th 1998, 2:05AM

Imprisoned crime boss John Gotti allegedly ordered the killing of a long-time friend and top adviser after learning the man threatened to murder him.

Federal officials say Gotti put out a contract on Frank (Frankie Locs) Locascio, one-time consigliere of the Gambino crime family, after reading that Locascio wanted to kill Gotti.

The 65-year-old Locascio who was placed in solitary confinement as a result of Gotti's alleged threat insisted he was in no danger and sued prison officials to get out of solitary, court papers reveal.

The inflammatory passage in "Underboss," the tell-all tome by Salvatore (Sammy Bull) Gravano, describes an incident in which Locascio, in prison with Gotti and Gravano in 1991, gave him a stolen orange before offering one to Gotti.

Gotti became furious and loudly belittled Locascio in front of other inmates. Later, Gravano said, a humiliated Locascio tearfully vowed to murder Gotti, stating, "The minute I get out, I'm killing this [expletive]."

Gravano says he and Locascio then made a pact to kill Gotti at a victory party if they ever got out of jail.

"Frankie said, 'Sammy, two things. I'll bring him to the party myself, and I got to be the shooter,' " Gravano says in "Underboss."

According to law enforcement sources and court papers, an infuriated Gotti, who is serving a life sentence in Marion, Ill., reached out last year to the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang to kill Locascio.

Sources said they believe that two members of the white supremacist group were used in 1994 by one of Gotti's associates in a murder-for-hire contract.

At some point, federal prison officials in Marion allegedly caught Gotti complaining about the Locascio passage on video cameras, a source said.

Without identifying Gotti, prison officials said in court papers "a possible 'contract' has been put on [Locascio's] life by his former Mafia associates." Three law enforcement sources confirmed Gotti put out the contract.

The alleged plot against Locascio first surfaced in court papers last month when he filed suit against prison officials to be let out of solitary at the U.S. Medical Center for Federal Prisoners in Springfield, Mo.

In court testimony Aug. 19, James Baker, special investigative agent for the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, confirmed, "I was informed there was a million-dollar wet contract out on [Locascio]."

In prison terms, Baker said, a "wet contract" means "anybody can pick it up. If a nut over in a cellblock somewhere was to do the contract, he would get awarded the money. A wet contract is just open for anyone."

Some sources, however, say Gotti specifically "reached out" to the Aryan Brotherhood.

Baker testified that he contacted an FBI agent in New York on Aug. 7 "to ascertain if the contract, this contract that they had talked about, was valid. He said, yes, in fact it was."

On Aug. 20, Missouri Federal Judge Russell Clark ordered that Locascio be kept in isolation, stating, "The evidence establishes that [Locascio], at 65 years old, may well spend the rest of his life in administrative segregation because of the potential 'contract' on his life."

Gotti's attorney, Bruce Cutler, said yesterday that the alleged death plot was a hoax aimed at keeping Gotti behind bars in Marion while damaging attempts to free his son, John A. (Junior) Gotti, on bail pending racketeering charges.

Locascio's attorney, Scott Leemon, declined to comment while the prison suit was pending.

[bronx]

the trip out of bensonhurst started in earnest in the early 90's ,not only S.I. but N.J. Manalapam, Freehold, Coltsneck, Middleton, Red bank ect.

[bronx]

dangelo was not killed in 95, ny post..maybe 85.

[Fughedaboutit]

Hard to say. Sammy's got such a big ego that I can't imagine him taking his time on the chin like the wimp Frank LoCascio.

Since when does taking your sentence without saying shit make you a wimp?

Frank LoCascio is a wimp because of the abuse he took from Gotti. Sammy, on the other hand, didn't have that sort of blind, unending loyalty.

The man who takes life as a stand up guy is the wimp and the rat is the man?