Boston 80s?

[Sol]

"The New England LCN out numbered his gang (Whitey and Stevie gang), but the Boston faction/Angulio family didn't out number the Hill, and couldn't wack Whitey without repercussions. The gang would have hit back and it would have caused a shit ton of bloodshed, which the North End knew. Plus in the 80s early 90s it was always known that Winter Hill was more powerful, deadly and feared than the Boston faction of the New England family. Boston isn't New York, the Irish held too much sway. In New York the Italians would wipe out other gangs making big money or collect rent from them, that wasn't the case in Boston."

Tj and Luca, Is this accurate?......Soliai

[Eddie mush]

Lol no way . If the anguilo’s wanted to wipe out whitey it would have been over for him . I dont know y they tolerated him but gerry A was the biggest guy around and the hill knew it . They wud have never went to war with the italians .

[jimmy_beans8]

I wondered that also....i mean NY would've backed a move against whitey right?

[TJ]

Beans, good point, think of time frame, if need be Gerry could get help from anywhere

[Pogo The Clown]

I don't know about the 80s but I do recall reading that during the 90s the Winter Hill Gang surpassed the Boston LCN faction as the dominant power in Boston. Not really shocking since the Boston LCN had been decimated by repeated prosectutions with most active members in prison. What remained under Frank Salemme was fractured and at war with itself. WH meanwhile was untouched and had the Feds on their side.


Pogo

[TJ]

90s different than 80s..but untouched. Noooo, whitey and Stevie were here, johnny was in Florida, the rest were either in the can or on lam as well..Salemme was actually closer with them than the old Lin , hence the indictment was all together

[TJ]

Old lcn

[jimmy_beans8]

If I get this right???? 3 factions?...checks n balances.......let no 1 group get too big for their britches??????

[JeremyTheJew]

did Jerry Angilo buy his button?

what was NE doin 80s?

[TJ]

Not so much 3 factions..just timing...fererra teal got arrested, Salemme made a bold move, he wanted the family, he had shooters and he was close with Whitney and stevie..

[Eddie mush]

LCN was hands down. The power in the 80’s untill the big case in 89 . Then all the big players were off the street . After that there was prob a window whwre whitey was #1

[Luca Brasi]

"The New England LCN out numbered his gang (Whitey and Stevie gang), but the Boston faction/Angulio family didn't out number the Hill, and couldn't wack Whitey without repercussions. The gang would have hit back and it would have caused a shit ton of bloodshed, which the North End knew. Plus in the 80s early 90s it was always known that Winter Hill was more powerful, deadly and feared than the Boston faction of the New England family. Boston isn't New York, the Irish held too much sway. In New York the Italians would wipe out other gangs making big money or collect rent from them, that wasn't the case in Boston."

Tj and Luca, Is this accurate?......Soliai

Solai,
The major factor that occurred in my area, that most people outside of Boston don't really comprehend just how big it was when it comes to Winter Hill, was Howie going away. During the 80's into the 90's everything changed. It really shouldn't have been called the Winter Hill Gang after this happened. In my opinion the reason the guys from Southie were kept around wasn't due to numbers, but the North End thought things would stay in line. There was no way of doing this on their own. They could barely keep up with their own affairs, let alone a bunch of Irish hoods from the other part of town. It went from a pretty good relationship between Howie and the Angiulos, when it came to the rackets, to blatant disregard for any authority. Howie was trusted by all while the other two were by guys from their own neighborhood. After 83' the Italians had some serious guys still on the street but it wasn't the same. It wasn't as much the fear of the wrath of Winter Hill, as it was the fear of trust/unknown between the two groups. That's why the information provided by Whitey and Stevie, ending up in arrests, was usually second hand and already known. They weren't trusted by the other side when Howie was. They just received credit for it. The unknown. It's a scary thing. They were tolerated, that's about it. After the Patriarca Jr indictment, and Heroin being introduced in places like Eastie, Revere, and the like, Southie just stood back and watched it all crumble to the ground. I know it's not much but if Gerry, Zannino, and Howie never go away for the amount of time they did, my area would be thought about as a force even to this day outside of NY/NJ, and not a list of characters in very bad written Soprano's episode. Yes, they held some sway but not enough too scare the North End. Take care,

Luca

[TJ]

well put...only thing i think is out of context is 'guys from southie were kept around'..no one really kept anyone around per se, stevie always had a decent relationship with most of the guys in town, but the stain of 250k that was owed also kept relationship working, plus they all played good cop bad cop with the shakes..frankie and stevie were close, when frankie came home with a chip on his shoulder, everything changed...and dont kid yourself, frankie would have had that chip regardless who was on the street, jesus one of his first visits was right to vinny and joe...not a frank fan, but i dont question his balls, and he did surround himself with some capable guys, many who are rats haha, but capable..so my point is, i dont think anyone kept whitey etal around, i think it was convenient..there was no reason for either side not to coexist...except the obvious one that came out later, rat them out and get them off the street, and your pie just got bigger

[Luca Brasi]

well put...only thing i think is out of context is 'guys from southie were kept around'..no one really kept anyone around per se, stevie always had a decent relationship with most of the guys in town, but the stain of 250k that was owed also kept relationship working, plus they all played good cop bad cop with the shakes..frankie and stevie were close, when frankie came home with a chip on his shoulder, everything changed...and dont kid yourself, frankie would have had that chip regardless who was on the street, jesus one of his first visits was right to vinny and joe...not a frank fan, but i dont question his balls, and he did surround himself with some capable guys, many who are rats haha, but capable..so my point is, i dont think anyone kept whitey etal around, i think it was convenient..there was no reason for either side not to coexist...except the obvious one that came out later, rat them out and get them off the street, and your pie just got bigger

Ya I remember Frank Jr being around more than Sr. I never met Sr, but remember meeting Jr after a Little League game. He had come to see a couple of guys in Medford. Things were weird, I can remember my uncle getting a new car every other week, and I thought it was cool, come to find out when I got older they were gunning for him. When you're 10 yrs old, you understand some things, but are still naive to most things. Take care,

Luca

[chuckiephilly]

The Italians could have whacked Whitey at any time, Flemmi would never have avenged him or risked his own ass going to war over Whitey, he was an opportunist at his core, not a loyalist. Weeks too. I don't know why they never whacked Whitey, especially since he was more of a shakedown artist/extortionist than a real racketeer or earner. That said, there had to be some kind of mutual financial interest between Whitey and the Italians that kept him alive. The italians were never as strong after Patriarca went.

And no, Angiulo did not buy his button, he was old school as they come and a force in the north end for many many years.