Frank Scalise timeline

[Frank]

Was the Scalice hit ordered by the Commission because of the selling of memberships? Wasn't there something out there about Anastasia selling memberships too.

[HairyKnuckles]

On November 5, 1930, Mineo and his underboss, Stefano "Steve" Ferrigno, were murdered by Castellammarese Sicilians led by Salvatore Maranzano.Scalice became the new boss of the family and a strong ally and supporter of Maranzano in the Castellammarese War.

The Castellammarese War ended on April 15, 1931, when Masseria was killed. Maranzano met with the New York bosses in May 1931 to work out a peace plan and organize the Five Families. Scalice was recognized as the Don of one of the families. However, after the murder of Maranzano on September 10, 1931,new boss Lucky Luciano forced Scalice to resign as family boss. He was replaced with Vincent Mangano.
Scalice become underboss from 1931 to 1957 when was killed maybe because alleged sold membership for money to incapable men.After his death, Carlo Gambino became Anastasia's underboss.

The Black Hand Family lineage chart for the Gambino Family doesn't list Gambino as ever being Underboss. Also it lists a guy named Conte as Antastasia's original Underboss, then Scalice as Underboss later at an unspecified year. Not saying your wrong, but this chart was well researched. Anyone's thoughts on this??

This has been discussed several times in the past. But as new members drop in on here, perhaps it´s worth discussing again. Carlo Gambino was the consigliere at the time of Anastasia´s death. Anybody who´s interested to see the source, please find B´s excellent thread on Magaddino and the transcripts where Magaddino is discussing and talking about several incidents going almost 30 years back. Another thing regarding Gambino, it seems he was demoted at least a couple of times from his caporegime position by Anastasia but still ended up as the Family consigliere eventually. He was not underboss which many of us believed he was before we saw the Magaddino transcripts. Possibly also Bill Bonanno mentioned his position in his book but I´m not sure.

Anastasia´s original underboss was Salvatore Chiri (or Chirico). You can view a thread where some of us were trying to find more info on him and if I remember correctly, at the end we weren´t sure if Chiri (FBN book entry) and Chriico (mentioned by Joe Bonanno in his book and in several documents as Anastasia´s former underboss found on Mary Ferrell) were the same individual. Anyway, it seems Chirico kept his position until the death of Anastasia, but others (Scalise and Nino Conte) filled in for him on acting basis probably because of old age. I tend to believe Scalise was acting underboss when he was killed. An informant talked about his crew (which supports my thinking) was split between Amodeo and Arthur Leo meaning that Scalise had kept his crew while being acting underboss. After Scalise´s death, Nino Conte (the father of Pasquale btw) filled the position until the Family was reorganized (after the death of Anastasia).

[Angelo Santino]

Was the Scalice hit ordered by the Commission because of the selling of memberships? Wasn't there something out there about Anastasia selling memberships too.

Yes and I'd be curious in finding out if any names of these so-called memberships, I don't believe any has every been produced. Valachi testified about the story and said that those members would be told that the organization was disbanded. Has anything new surfaced?

[Frank]

Why isn't Gambino listed as Consigliere in the Black Hand lineage chart? Also it has Conte as Anastasia's original Underboss.

[Pogo The Clown]

Yes and I'd be curious in finding out if any names of these so-called memberships, I don't believe any has every been produced. Valachi testified about the story and said that those members would be told that the organization was disbanded. Has anything new surfaced?

Several years back a partial list was produced (I believe by JD) of those who bought their membership. I can't find it now though.


Pogo

[Frank]

I also have more of a speculation and kind of a question concerning the Anastasia hit, and Costello almost being killed. Did Genovese along with Lucchese have that much power over other Commission members to have Anastasia whacked. Bonanno has said that they did it behind his back, and he makes it sound like he was against it. From what I have read wasn't Bonnano, Gagliano, and Profaci kind of tight with Mangano? With Anastasia whacking civilians, killing his boss, the membership selling, among other things could his murder have been a Commission sanctioned hit? Instead of only a Lucchese and Genovese plot. Didn't Sam Giancana get into an argument with Anastasia at a Commission meeting, I believe over the membership selling.

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

I also have more of a speculation and kind of a question concerning the Anastasia hit, and Costello almost being killed. Did Genovese along with Lucchese have that much power over other Commission members to have Anastasia whacked. Bonanno has said that they did it behind his back, and he makes it sound like he was against it. From what I have read wasn't Bonnano, Gagliano, and Profaci kind of tight with Mangano? With Anastasia whacking civilians, killing his boss, the membership selling, among other things could his murder have been a Commission sanctioned hit? Instead of only a Lucchese and Genovese plot. Didn't Sam Giancana get into an argument with Anastasia at a Commission meeting, I believe over the membership selling.

Add to the above list of reasons that Anastasia was trying to horn in
on the casinos in Cuba. This angered Mannarino from Pitt, and
Traficante, Lansky, and others.

[BillyBrizzi]

I also have more of a speculation and kind of a question concerning the Anastasia hit, and Costello almost being killed. Did Genovese along with Lucchese have that much power over other Commission members to have Anastasia whacked. Bonanno has said that they did it behind his back, and he makes it sound like he was against it. From what I have read wasn't Bonnano, Gagliano, and Profaci kind of tight with Mangano? With Anastasia whacking civilians, killing his boss, the membership selling, among other things could his murder have been a Commission sanctioned hit? Instead of only a Lucchese and Genovese plot. Didn't Sam Giancana get into an argument with Anastasia at a Commission meeting, I believe over the membership selling.

Gagliano was already dead a few years by then and I believe Maggadino was also supporting Lucchese and Genovese. Anastasia got in to an argument with Giancana at the, according to Joe Bonanno, 1956 Commission meeting. Mooney very boldly asked Anastasia ''So when are you clipping Frank Scalise?''. The Mad Hatter didn't take too kindly to that of course and only through the pacifying presence of Joe Bonnanno, again according to the man himself in his self-serving book, did the situation not come to blows..

[Frank]

I also have more of a speculation and kind of a question concerning the Anastasia hit, and Costello almost being killed. Did Genovese along with Lucchese have that much power over other Commission members to have Anastasia whacked. Bonanno has said that they did it behind his back, and he makes it sound like he was against it. From what I have read wasn't Bonnano, Gagliano, and Profaci kind of tight with Mangano? With Anastasia whacking civilians, killing his boss, the membership selling, among other things could his murder have been a Commission sanctioned hit? Instead of only a Lucchese and Genovese plot. Didn't Sam Giancana get into an argument with Anastasia at a Commission meeting, I believe over the membership selling.

Gagliano was already dead a few years by then and I believe Maggadino was also supporting Lucchese and Genovese. Anastasia got in to an argument with Giancana at the, according to Joe Bonanno, 1956 Commission meeting. Mooney very boldly asked Anastasia ''So when are you clipping Frank Scalise?''. The Mad Hatter didn't take too kindly to that of course and only through the pacifying presence of Joe Bonnanno, again according to the man himself in his self-serving book, did the situation not come to blows..

I believe Gagliano was still alive when Mangano disappeared. But there is conflicting information about his death. But my main point is did Genovese have that much power to get rid of 2 commission members and get away with it. Also I don't believe Bonanno or Profaci would let the Mangano thing go. Of course Bonanno isn't going to put in writing that he approved a hit on Anastasia. Of course I'm just speculating. Somebody already posted about that Vito couldn't kill Costello when he came back 10 years earlier. He could get a commission death penalty against him. What made it different 10 years later.

[HairyKnuckles]

Yes and I'd be curious in finding out if any names of these so-called memberships, I don't believe any has every been produced. Valachi testified about the story and said that those members would be told that the organization was disbanded. Has anything new surfaced?

Several years back a partial list was produced (I believe by JD) of those who bought their membership. I can't find it now though.


Pogo

Off the top of my head, JD listed Joseph "JoJo" Manfredi and John "Baldy" Daniello as being two of those who bought their buttons. Interesting is that Manfredi, although being East Harlem based, was in Riccobono´s crew. John Daniello, also East Harlem based, was in Scalise´s crew. Did Riccobono also sell memberships, or had Manfredi originally been under Scalise?

I also have more of a speculation and kind of a question concerning the Anastasia hit, and Costello almost being killed. Did Genovese along with Lucchese have that much power over other Commission members to have Anastasia whacked. Bonanno has said that they did it behind his back, and he makes it sound like he was against it. From what I have read wasn't Bonnano, Gagliano, and Profaci kind of tight with Mangano? With Anastasia whacking civilians, killing his boss, the membership selling, among other things could his murder have been a Commission sanctioned hit? Instead of only a Lucchese and Genovese plot. Didn't Sam Giancana get into an argument with Anastasia at a Commission meeting, I believe over the membership selling.

Gagliano was already dead a few years by then and I believe Maggadino was also supporting Lucchese and Genovese. Anastasia got in to an argument with Giancana at the, according to Joe Bonanno, 1956 Commission meeting. Mooney very boldly asked Anastasia ''So when are you clipping Frank Scalise?''. The Mad Hatter didn't take too kindly to that of course and only through the pacifying presence of Joe Bonnanno, again according to the man himself in his self-serving book, did the situation not come to blows..

I believe Gagliano was still alive when Mangano disappeared. But there is conflicting information about his death. But my main point is did Genovese have that much power to get rid of 2 commission members and get away with it. Also I don't believe Bonanno or Profaci would let the Mangano thing go. Of course Bonanno isn't going to put in writing that he approved a hit on Anastasia. Of course I'm just speculating. Somebody already posted about that Vito couldn't kill Costello when he came back 10 years earlier. He could get a commission death penalty against him. What made it different 10 years later.

Gagliano died in February of 1951. This is his obituary.

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[Bruno187]

Thee were a few of those guys who bought their button alive into the 80's.
I remember being told that Phil (Skinny Phil) LoScalzo was one of the guys along with John (Johnny Pie) DiMatteo.
There were also a couple of zips who were rather unassuming. One guy was a "Pietro" who's last name I didn't know, but he owned a bakery on Arthur Avenue just off 189th street.
There was another guy Fortunato Cicciu who was an off the boat Sicilian.
Most of these guys, with the exception of LoScalzo were just happy to have the respect of being a made guy and pretty much flew below the radar not making any waves, but for a while were unsure of what was going to happen to them.

[Pogo The Clown]

Yeah I remember Phil LoScalzo being one of those on the list.


Pogo

[chin_gigante]

Relating to Biondo's role in the administration, this is the first I've heard of him being Mangano's consigliere. I'm new to the forum and I've only heard of Philip being his brother's no. 3 so I'm curious as to where this started

[JIGGS]

Johnny Roberts (Ribolotto) isn't on the list of guys who paid cash for their button?

JIGGS

[Antiliar]

Relating to Biondo's role in the administration, this is the first I've heard of him being Mangano's consigliere. I'm new to the forum and I've only heard of Philip being his brother's no. 3 so I'm curious as to where this started

It comes out of the 1963 McClellan Committee, otherwise known as the Valachi hearing. The charts were put together by the Justice Dept. using info from task forces, the FBI, local police, state police, and the Bureau of Narcotics. They did the best the could at the time, but obviously made mistakes.