Scores Rat Refuses Witness Protection

[Confederate]

So what's the story now about Blutrich and his safety? He's like Sammy the Bull Gravano where the both of them can walk around NYC without a care in the world? Would any of the young upstarts try taking them out to score points with the old timers?

I think the same thing when cooperators send guys to prison for long time,
then they are out in the open not feeling threatened. Most everyone says
that no one wants to get charged for murder these days. The damage was
done, and just move on...

And that right there spells the eventual downfall. Once the fear factor is gone, all bets are off. The American Mafia was always held together by FEAR more than loyalty. Fear comes first, loyalty a distant second.

[Wiseguy]

So what's the story now about Blutrich and his safety? He's like Sammy the Bull Gravano where the both of them can walk around NYC without a care in the world? Would any of the young upstarts try taking them out to score points with the old timers?

I think the same thing when cooperators send guys to prison for long time,
then they are out in the open not feeling threatened. Most everyone says
that no one wants to get charged for murder these days. The damage was
done, and just move on...

And that right there spells the eventual downfall. Once the fear factor is gone, all bets are off. The American Mafia was always held together by FEAR more than loyalty. Fear comes first, loyalty a distant second.

Mmm, I don't know. The mob has been trading more on its reputation (largely from the past) and the threat of violence (more so than violence itself) for a long time now.

[Confederate]

So what's the story now about Blutrich and his safety? He's like Sammy the Bull Gravano where the both of them can walk around NYC without a care in the world? Would any of the young upstarts try taking them out to score points with the old timers?

I think the same thing when cooperators send guys to prison for long time,
then they are out in the open not feeling threatened. Most everyone says
that no one wants to get charged for murder these days. The damage was
done, and just move on...

And that right there spells the eventual downfall. Once the fear factor is gone, all bets are off. The American Mafia was always held together by FEAR more than loyalty. Fear comes first, loyalty a distant second.

Mmm, I don't know. The mob has been trading more on its reputation (largely from the past) and the threat of violence (more so than violence itself) for a long time now.

I respectively disagree. Not too many people are afraid of the mob anymore, that's why there are so many informants and they basically walk around free without much fear like Frank Calabrese Jr. in Chicago who travels around that City giving book store interviews. lol
From What I researched, the Loan Sharking Racket is almost dead in Chicago. The minute a mob guy leans on the borrower, he runs to the Feds and gets wired. Also, if a bettor owes money to the Bookie and doesn't pay, they just cut him off from betting and pass the word around to other books in different areas. No, people are not too afraid of the Mob anymore from what I've seen. Mob rats walk around all the time with no worry of reprisal.

[Teflon john]

So what's the story now about Blutrich and his safety? He's like Sammy the Bull Gravano where the both of them can walk around NYC without a care in the world? Would any of the young upstarts try taking them out to score points with the old timers?

I think the same thing when cooperators send guys to prison for long time,
then they are out in the open not feeling threatened. Most everyone says
that no one wants to get charged for murder these days. The damage was
done, and just move on...

And that right there spells the eventual downfall. Once the fear factor is gone, all bets are off. The American Mafia was always held together by FEAR more than loyalty. Fear comes first, loyalty a distant second.

Mmm, I don't know. The mob has been trading more on its reputation (largely from the past) and the threat of violence (more so than violence itself) for a long time now.

I respectively disagree. Not too many people are afraid of the mob anymore, that's why there are so many informants and they basically walk around free without much fear like Frank Calabrese Jr. in Chicago who travels around that City giving book store interviews. lol
From What I researched, the Loan Sharking Racket is almost dead in Chicago. The minute a mob guy leans on the borrower, he runs to the Feds and gets wired. Also, if a bettor owes money to the Bookie and doesn't pay, they just cut him off from betting and pass the word around to other books in different areas. No, people are not too afraid of the Mob anymore from what I've seen. Mob rats walk around all the time with no worry of reprisal.

I completely agree Confederate,no one is scared of a dog that barks but doesnt bite. But i also think that there is not a stigma from being a rat anymore like there used to be. People are so selfish and thoughtless that to send someone away for something you did does not bother most people. The most fucked up thing of all is the govt taking the words of one criminal over another but thats a totally different subject and im not going down that road,not now.

[Wiseguy]

So what's the story now about Blutrich and his safety? He's like Sammy the Bull Gravano where the both of them can walk around NYC without a care in the world? Would any of the young upstarts try taking them out to score points with the old timers?

I think the same thing when cooperators send guys to prison for long time,
then they are out in the open not feeling threatened. Most everyone says
that no one wants to get charged for murder these days. The damage was
done, and just move on...

And that right there spells the eventual downfall. Once the fear factor is gone, all bets are off. The American Mafia was always held together by FEAR more than loyalty. Fear comes first, loyalty a distant second.

Mmm, I don't know. The mob has been trading more on its reputation (largely from the past) and the threat of violence (more so than violence itself) for a long time now.

I respectively disagree. Not too many people are afraid of the mob anymore, that's why there are so many informants and they basically walk around free without much fear like Frank Calabrese Jr. in Chicago who travels around that City giving book store interviews. lol
From What I researched, the Loan Sharking Racket is almost dead in Chicago. The minute a mob guy leans on the borrower, he runs to the Feds and gets wired. Also, if a bettor owes money to the Bookie and doesn't pay, they just cut him off from betting and pass the word around to other books in different areas. No, people are not too afraid of the Mob anymore from what I've seen. Mob rats walk around all the time with no worry of reprisal.

The mob not leaning too hard on a deadbeat gambler or hunting down rats is all a response to the world it finds itself - one where the fallout from law enforcement probably outweighs whatever benefits might come. They don't have the luxury of dropping bodies like they once did and have to be much more selective about when they turn to the gun. That said, the mob's reputation and ability to instill fear - collectively speaking - isn't so dead that it can't operate. As I said, it trades on its reputation every day and guys still get killed on ocassion. And the sports betting business may be bigger than ever. My point is that attrition, as well as repeated prosecutions to a lesser extent, is what will eventually spell the end of the mob.

[Confederate]

Attrition AND Prosecutions with the HELP OF INFORMANTS will spell the end of the mob eventually. The reason why there are more relentless Prosecutions are because Informants are NOT TOO AFTRAID of reprisal. That was my point. Fear out ways loyalty by a huge margin. Lack of fear ALONG with attrition will eventually be the downfall.

[jimmy_beans8]

So be it......accidedents/random shit can occur 10 YRS later......the asshole never can put 2+2 together when they JUS SO HAPPEN to catch bad luck......i still got my lists.....JUST NOT INNA A RUSH

[Wiseguy]

Attrition AND Prosecutions with the HELP OF INFORMANTS will spell the end of the mob eventually. The reason why there are more relentless Prosecutions are because Informants are NOT TOO AFTRAID of reprisal. That was my point. Fear out ways loyalty by a huge margin. Lack of fear ALONG with attrition will eventually be the downfall.

Prosecutions, which indeed are helped along by guys who turn, are a very distant second. Look at Philadelphia. They've had more members flip than anyone (that much more damaging for a small family), one prosecution after another, and a bunch of guys killed off from infighting in the 1980s and 1990s. Yet, because they're able to make new members, they're still around. Over a decade, the Bonannos had over 100 members and associates indicted - including their administration and over a dozen captains - and many of them flip. Yet they're still around. Attrition is really the only thing that does it. It would be more accurate to say prosecutions and rats just help it along. It's why we don't see as many rosy predictions of the mob being wiped out in 5-10 years by government and law enforcement officials with each new prosecution anymore.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Confed is 1000% right.

Fear of retribution, when that dies WILL KILL THE MOB.

That’s the SINGLE issue which kept the mob together.

Lose that, it’s over.

You’re asking a 20/30/40 something guy who’s done on a murder to give up his family, his children, his parents, for an oath he took and a fellow button he doesn’t know, over his blood family, for his LIFE?
Now who’s on balance going to make that call? More guys or less?
The fact is a guy will CHOOSE life ONLY if his family are in danger.
Because there’s NO guy out there who would choose a button who he committed murder with, over his family.
None.
Nowhere.
Who THE FUCK would destroy their wife and children’s lives because they took an oath, or MAYBE it was because their family was under threat.
If the mob doesn’t clip rats, it WILL destroy itself because people will choose their families over the mob 99% of the time.

[gohnjotti]

Confed is 1000% right.

Fear of retribution, when that dies WILL KILL THE MOB.

That’s the SINGLE issue which kept the mob together.

Lose that, it’s over.

You’re asking a 20/30/40 something guy who’s done on a murder to give up his family, his children, his parents, for an oath he took and a fellow button he doesn’t know, over his blood family, for his LIFE?
Now who’s on balance going to make that call? More guys or less?
The fact is a guy will CHOOSE life ONLY if his family are in danger.
Because there’s NO guy out there who would choose a button who he committed murder with, over his family.
None.
Nowhere.
Who THE FUCK would destroy their wife and children’s lives because they took an oath, or MAYBE it was because their family was under threat.
If the mob doesn’t clip rats, it WILL destroy itself because people will choose their families over the mob 99% of the time.

Guys like Vinny Basciano & Dino Saracino are exceptions to that rule.

[SonnyBlackstein]

And how does that average work out over the long run?

Sustainable?

[yatescj7781]

There will never be an end to the mob per say. Even if the Italian Mob in the U.S. goes extinct, there are many other mob(gangs,factions, organizations) that will be there to fill the void. But what point is it better for Society to eliminate LCN when in their place come black or immigrant street gangs with a lot less discipline and more disregard for morals and innocent lives? Wipe out the Bergin Crew in Queens and replace them with Bloods street gang? What since does that make? LE is self serving, it's about the promotion, the names they can make for themselves by taking out a Gotti type. It's never about the good of the community and citizens. That is why Chicago is like it is today. Very few mob murders over the last decade, but 100 people, innocents included, killed over a holiday weekend.

[yatescj7781]

A point which is rarely brought up was that the Mob was way more effective in policing neighborhoods back in the day than law enforcement could ever be. Take the book Wiseguy, where Henry Hill tells of a guy assaulting a woman for whatever reason(to rob or sexually assault) and the guy gets thrown off the roof of the building. That's a major deterrent on crime if you ask me. Why take that away? To get a promotion? Publicity to make you look good?

[gohnjotti]

And how does that average work out over the long run?

Sustainable?

Definitely not sustainable. Rats have their own little community nowadays. The Trevor McDonald documentary showed all those different rats going to a wedding, and a photo I posted recently to the mugshots section showed Big Anthony Russo, Tommy McLaughlina and Larry Mazza all hanging out last year.

[Confederate]

There will never be an end to the mob per say. Even if the Italian Mob in the U.S. goes extinct, there are many other mob(gangs,factions, organizations) that will be there to fill the void. But what point is it better for Society to eliminate LCN when in their place come black or immigrant street gangs with a lot less discipline and more disregard for morals and innocent lives? Wipe out the Bergin Crew in Queens and replace them with Bloods street gang? What since does that make? LE is self serving, it's about the promotion, the names they can make for themselves by taking out a Gotti type. It's never about the good of the community and citizens. That is why Chicago is like it is today. Very few mob murders over the last decade, but 100 people, innocents included, killed over a holiday weekend.

You're right, the Italian Mob is much better for Society than (for example) the *******es. The Police purposely stay out of their way and let them kill each other because every time they try to intervene, the Police are falsely accused of something so they basically have retreated. Can't blame them: Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Better to stay out of it and go home and have a nice dinner with the wife and kids.
The Prosecutors can make a much bigger name for themselves if they can convict Joey Merlino than some ****### drug pusher selling drugs in his own area because regular people simply don't care about it. Policing those people who all try and kill each other no matter what name they call themselves is a job for Black Lives Matter since they are so much better at it than the big bad Police.