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Villain wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:57 pm
Frank wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:39 pm Does anyone know when Accardo was made?? It would seem like it would have been before Battaglia, possibly by Capone.
My personal belief is that Accardo and Capezio were both made by Capone and I also have to be honest (even though at the beginning I didnt believe in it much but now Im beginning to be suspicious about it) about one so-called "legend" that Battaglia was made the year (1930 or at least 1931) when he pulled off that robbery on the Mayor's wife or Big Bill Thompson's wife, Capone's long time ally. Story goes that Battaglia was brought before Capone and he was allegedly been forgiven and became a made guy. At first this sounds quite funny but if you look at Humphreys bio, you'll find out a Similar life story, meaning the Hump started as a big troublemaker and he was also allegedly brought in front of Capone and was later brought into his organization.
All definitely possible. I would have to think Accardo and Capezio were either made by Capone or Ricca after Capone went away.
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Frank wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:55 pm
Villain wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:57 pm
Frank wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:39 pm Does anyone know when Accardo was made?? It would seem like it would have been before Battaglia, possibly by Capone.
My personal belief is that Accardo and Capezio were both made by Capone and I also have to be honest (even though at the beginning I didnt believe in it much but now Im beginning to be suspicious about it) about one so-called "legend" that Battaglia was made the year (1930 or at least 1931) when he pulled off that robbery on the Mayor's wife or Big Bill Thompson's wife, Capone's long time ally. Story goes that Battaglia was brought before Capone and he was allegedly been forgiven and became a made guy. At first this sounds quite funny but if you look at Humphreys bio, you'll find out a Similar life story, meaning the Hump started as a big troublemaker and he was also allegedly brought in front of Capone and was later brought into his organization.
All definitely possible. I would have to think Accardo and Capezio were either made by Capone or Ricca after Capone went away.
Capezio was older than Accardo and I believe that he was one of his mentors, which makes me believe that Capezio had advantage of being made previous of Accardo but this is just a theory since they could've been made at the same time

As for Accardo, he is one of the most mysterious members for me personally since he rose in the organization quite quickly. I mean he and Capone were possibly the two gangsters who rose at the top at very young age. I mean at the age of 20, or in January 1926 to be exact, Accardo was involved in emptying his Tommy gun into the Shamrock Inn which in fact was the headquarters of one North Side Irish street gang known as the Hanlon Hellcats and allegedly three people died. Accardo and three other members sped away with their car but a police squad from the Austin district was nearby and gave a chase. During the chase Accardo and the other three men tossed away their weapons and in a matter of few minutes the cops caught them. They were arrested but later were released on bail and eventually the case was dropped, due to lack of evidence, which was a "natural" thing for those days and obviously shows that Accardo was backed by "someone" aka the Capone gang. So this means that Accardo was with these guys from the mid 20's and also remember reading few old Chi tribune articles which described him as always being in the lobby of some hotel where Capone was established and allegedly sat on a chair and always had a hidden Tommy gun under his long coat. I also strongly believe that Accardo together with Dago Mangano and Capezio were behind the 1931 murder of Mike Heitler, the long time boss of the West Side, especially the Elmwood Park and W. Grand Av areas, since its the same time period when Accardo and Capezio entered the territory. So I believe that he even didnt reach the age of 30 and he was already elevated to be in charge of a territory and in 1943 was already being groomed for the boss position.

There are also a lot of myths regarding Accardo as he being one of the shooters in the St Valentines Day massacre or he being the one who once saved Capones life but to be honest I believe in only one of those myths and that is he possibly cracked few skulls with a baseball bat since he carried that nickname through out his whole life, I mean it had to be true lol
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In addition I made some changes in the original post or should I say the first post of this thread and mainly thanks to Ed.

So it is possible that only Capone and possibly the original ten were made in the old fashioned style since they were subservient to the Sicilian Masseria clan at the time. We all know that Capone was a business type of gangster who created his own army of Italians and non-Italians and so theres high possibility that he really cared only about building his own huge army which creates the theory that he began making people in his own way since I doubt that he really cared about the traditional way because he was about to control a city of his own and simplified the whole thing out of various reasons, possibly another being the government. There was no space or time for huge ceremonial gatherings since thate last two years before his imprisonment, he was constantly running from the law and enemies and i mean the guy had dozens of "headquarters" which ib fact were his hideouts equipped with double locks, latches, and buzzer systems. This might've been a problem for some of the families on the east coast, but besides that Capone was already known for doing a lot of trouble and noise in the underworld and thats why he was always well protected but he didnt stay in one place longer period. Obviously he didnt make a lot of people since he didnt have a lot of time to stay free on the streets and on top of that he was bringing many non-Italians at the same time. I already talked about this in a private msg with another member, meaning I gave even Luciano as an example since he was the similar type as Capone and was also in a similar situation and I think that if he had the chance, he would've also simplified the whole thing but he had a different problem since he already had a lot of "traditionalists" and heads of other families around him at the time in the same city lol which is the main reason and final point on why Capone was more powerful and managed to create a personal monolithic and "semi-CN" crime syndicate in the second largest city
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Villain wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:29 pm
Frank wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:55 pm
Villain wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:57 pm
Frank wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:39 pm Does anyone know when Accardo was made?? It would seem like it would have been before Battaglia, possibly by Capone.
My personal belief is that Accardo and Capezio were both made by Capone and I also have to be honest (even though at the beginning I didnt believe in it much but now Im beginning to be suspicious about it) about one so-called "legend" that Battaglia was made the year (1930 or at least 1931) when he pulled off that robbery on the Mayor's wife or Big Bill Thompson's wife, Capone's long time ally. Story goes that Battaglia was brought before Capone and he was allegedly been forgiven and became a made guy. At first this sounds quite funny but if you look at Humphreys bio, you'll find out a Similar life story, meaning the Hump started as a big troublemaker and he was also allegedly brought in front of Capone and was later brought into his organization.
All definitely possible. I would have to think Accardo and Capezio were either made by Capone or Ricca after Capone went away.
Capezio was older than Accardo and I believe that he was one of his mentors, which makes me believe that Capezio had advantage of being made previous of Accardo but this is just a theory since they could've been made at the same time

As for Accardo, he is one of the most mysterious members for me personally since he rose in the organization quite quickly. I mean he and Capone were possibly the two gangsters who rose at the top at very young age. I mean at the age of 20, or in January 1926 to be exact, Accardo was involved in emptying his Tommy gun into the Shamrock Inn which in fact was the headquarters of one North Side Irish street gang known as the Hanlon Hellcats and allegedly three people died. Accardo and three other members sped away with their car but a police squad from the Austin district was nearby and gave a chase. During the chase Accardo and the other three men tossed away their weapons and in a matter of few minutes the cops caught them. They were arrested but later were released on bail and eventually the case was dropped, due to lack of evidence, which was a "natural" thing for those days and obviously shows that Accardo was backed by "someone" aka the Capone gang. So this means that Accardo was with these guys from the mid 20's and also remember reading few old Chi tribune articles which described him as always being in the lobby of some hotel where Capone was established and allegedly sat on a chair and always had a hidden Tommy gun under his long coat. I also strongly believe that Accardo together with Dago Mangano and Capezio were behind the 1931 murder of Mike Heitler, the long time boss of the West Side, especially the Elmwood Park and W. Grand Av areas, since its the same time period when Accardo and Capezio entered the territory. So I believe that he even didnt reach the age of 30 and he was already elevated to be in charge of a territory and in 1943 was already being groomed for the boss position.

There are also a lot of myths regarding Accardo as he being one of the shooters in the St Valentines Day massacre or he being the one who once saved Capones life but to be honest I believe in only one of those myths and that is he possibly cracked few skulls with a baseball bat since he carried that nickname through out his whole life, I mean it had to be true lol
Yes I agree that Capezio was probably made before Accardo. But then again I can see Capone making Accardo at the same time if it's true Accardo saved Capone's life. And also got a nickname from Al.
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Frank wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:17 am
Villain wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:29 pm
Frank wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:55 pm
Villain wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:57 pm
Frank wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:39 pm Does anyone know when Accardo was made?? It would seem like it would have been before Battaglia, possibly by Capone.
My personal belief is that Accardo and Capezio were both made by Capone and I also have to be honest (even though at the beginning I didnt believe in it much but now Im beginning to be suspicious about it) about one so-called "legend" that Battaglia was made the year (1930 or at least 1931) when he pulled off that robbery on the Mayor's wife or Big Bill Thompson's wife, Capone's long time ally. Story goes that Battaglia was brought before Capone and he was allegedly been forgiven and became a made guy. At first this sounds quite funny but if you look at Humphreys bio, you'll find out a Similar life story, meaning the Hump started as a big troublemaker and he was also allegedly brought in front of Capone and was later brought into his organization.
All definitely possible. I would have to think Accardo and Capezio were either made by Capone or Ricca after Capone went away.
Capezio was older than Accardo and I believe that he was one of his mentors, which makes me believe that Capezio had advantage of being made previous of Accardo but this is just a theory since they could've been made at the same time

As for Accardo, he is one of the most mysterious members for me personally since he rose in the organization quite quickly. I mean he and Capone were possibly the two gangsters who rose at the top at very young age. I mean at the age of 20, or in January 1926 to be exact, Accardo was involved in emptying his Tommy gun into the Shamrock Inn which in fact was the headquarters of one North Side Irish street gang known as the Hanlon Hellcats and allegedly three people died. Accardo and three other members sped away with their car but a police squad from the Austin district was nearby and gave a chase. During the chase Accardo and the other three men tossed away their weapons and in a matter of few minutes the cops caught them. They were arrested but later were released on bail and eventually the case was dropped, due to lack of evidence, which was a "natural" thing for those days and obviously shows that Accardo was backed by "someone" aka the Capone gang. So this means that Accardo was with these guys from the mid 20's and also remember reading few old Chi tribune articles which described him as always being in the lobby of some hotel where Capone was established and allegedly sat on a chair and always had a hidden Tommy gun under his long coat. I also strongly believe that Accardo together with Dago Mangano and Capezio were behind the 1931 murder of Mike Heitler, the long time boss of the West Side, especially the Elmwood Park and W. Grand Av areas, since its the same time period when Accardo and Capezio entered the territory. So I believe that he even didnt reach the age of 30 and he was already elevated to be in charge of a territory and in 1943 was already being groomed for the boss position.

There are also a lot of myths regarding Accardo as he being one of the shooters in the St Valentines Day massacre or he being the one who once saved Capones life but to be honest I believe in only one of those myths and that is he possibly cracked few skulls with a baseball bat since he carried that nickname through out his whole life, I mean it had to be true lol
Yes I agree that Capezio was probably made before Accardo. But then again I can see Capone making Accardo at the same time if it's true Accardo saved Capone's life. And also got a nickname from Al.
I dont really believe in the story that he saved Capones life since Accardo possibly was almost never near his boss but instead he was always like waiting in lobby or outside some restaurant, driving and worked as a lookout bodyguard (according to most Chi tribune articles from that period or after). There were guys such as the LaCava bros, DiGiovanni bros and even possibly Jack McGurn or Frank Rio, all being at one time Capones close bodyguards. As for Louis Campagna, Willie Heeney and Claude Maddox, they were the guys who closely watched over their boss during the last two years as a free man. One time Campagna accompanied the LaCavas and other fellas while Capone was in hospital when he accidentaly shot himself. As for Heeney and Maddox, they often kept rooms in the same establishment were the boss was located. So i believe that during the mid and late 1920s Accardo was probably the first line of defence since he was obviously one of the best hitters at the time, always prepared to empty the clip and to give space and enough time to the boss so he can take cover, and by the early 1930s i think that he was already involved in the rackets since Accardo made his money from gambling, not bootlegging
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Villain wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:39 am
Frank wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:17 am
Villain wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:29 pm
Frank wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:55 pm
Villain wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:57 pm
Frank wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:39 pm Does anyone know when Accardo was made?? It would seem like it would have been before Battaglia, possibly by Capone.
My personal belief is that Accardo and Capezio were both made by Capone and I also have to be honest (even though at the beginning I didnt believe in it much but now Im beginning to be suspicious about it) about one so-called "legend" that Battaglia was made the year (1930 or at least 1931) when he pulled off that robbery on the Mayor's wife or Big Bill Thompson's wife, Capone's long time ally. Story goes that Battaglia was brought before Capone and he was allegedly been forgiven and became a made guy. At first this sounds quite funny but if you look at Humphreys bio, you'll find out a Similar life story, meaning the Hump started as a big troublemaker and he was also allegedly brought in front of Capone and was later brought into his organization.
All definitely possible. I would have to think Accardo and Capezio were either made by Capone or Ricca after Capone went away.
Capezio was older than Accardo and I believe that he was one of his mentors, which makes me believe that Capezio had advantage of being made previous of Accardo but this is just a theory since they could've been made at the same time

As for Accardo, he is one of the most mysterious members for me personally since he rose in the organization quite quickly. I mean he and Capone were possibly the two gangsters who rose at the top at very young age. I mean at the age of 20, or in January 1926 to be exact, Accardo was involved in emptying his Tommy gun into the Shamrock Inn which in fact was the headquarters of one North Side Irish street gang known as the Hanlon Hellcats and allegedly three people died. Accardo and three other members sped away with their car but a police squad from the Austin district was nearby and gave a chase. During the chase Accardo and the other three men tossed away their weapons and in a matter of few minutes the cops caught them. They were arrested but later were released on bail and eventually the case was dropped, due to lack of evidence, which was a "natural" thing for those days and obviously shows that Accardo was backed by "someone" aka the Capone gang. So this means that Accardo was with these guys from the mid 20's and also remember reading few old Chi tribune articles which described him as always being in the lobby of some hotel where Capone was established and allegedly sat on a chair and always had a hidden Tommy gun under his long coat. I also strongly believe that Accardo together with Dago Mangano and Capezio were behind the 1931 murder of Mike Heitler, the long time boss of the West Side, especially the Elmwood Park and W. Grand Av areas, since its the same time period when Accardo and Capezio entered the territory. So I believe that he even didnt reach the age of 30 and he was already elevated to be in charge of a territory and in 1943 was already being groomed for the boss position.

There are also a lot of myths regarding Accardo as he being one of the shooters in the St Valentines Day massacre or he being the one who once saved Capones life but to be honest I believe in only one of those myths and that is he possibly cracked few skulls with a baseball bat since he carried that nickname through out his whole life, I mean it had to be true lol
Yes I agree that Capezio was probably made before Accardo. But then again I can see Capone making Accardo at the same time if it's true Accardo saved Capone's life. And also got a nickname from Al.
I dont really believe in the story that he saved Capones life since Accardo possibly was almost never near his boss but instead he was always like waiting in lobby or outside some restaurant, driving and worked as a lookout bodyguard (according to most Chi tribune articles from that period or after). There were guys such as the LaCava bros, DiGiovanni bros and even possibly Jack McGurn or Frank Rio, all being at one time Capones close bodyguards. As for Louis Campagna, Willie Heeney and Claude Maddox, they were the guys who closely watched over their boss during the last two years as a free man. One time Campagna accompanied the LaCavas and other fellas while Capone was in hospital when he accidentaly shot himself. As for Heeney and Maddox, they often kept rooms in the same establishment were the boss was located. So i believe that during the mid and late 1920s Accardo was probably the first line of defence since he was obviously one of the best hitters at the time, always prepared to empty the clip and to give space and enough time to the boss so he can take cover, and by the early 1930s i think that he was already involved in the rackets since Accardo made his money from gambling, not bootlegging
Was it Capone or Accardo who baseball bat Anselma and Scalice as story goes. I've read both versions. Also have read Aiuppa sat in lobby of hotel with a Thompson machine gun too.
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Frank wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:52 am Was it Capone or Accardo who baseball bat Anselma and Scalice as story goes. I've read both versions. Also have read Aiuppa sat in lobby of hotel with a Thompson machine gun too.
I really dont remember how the legend goes but as you already said that Accardo allegedly cracked the skulls of two fellas who could've been Anselmi and Scalise

As for Aiuppa, it could be possible since during his younger days he was affiliated with all those reckless bank robbers and kidnappers such as the Karpis gang i think, and as matter of fact, many of those same gangs were sometimes used as "farm-teams" for the Capone mob in doing many jobs. This might explain the early connection between Maddox and Aiuppa, with the first one being one of the main recruiters at the time for Capone
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This is one "fictional" list created of possible Italian members allegedly made by Al Capone and how the whole Italian faction possibly looked like from 1928 until 1931. These are mostly guesses and blind picks made out of infos regarding the activities of most members from that era or regarding that same era. So Im obviously missing some guys and probably mistaken on others, but still here it is:

1928/1929

Ralph Capone (Cicero), Vincenzo Gibaldi (Cicero), Frank Rio (Western suburbs), Paul Ricca (West Side), Charles Fischetti (Southwest), Frank Nitto (West Side), Phil D’Andrea (South Side), Dominic Roberto (Southern suburbs), Sylvester Agoglia (West Side), Tony Volpe (West Side)

1929/1930

Louis Campagna (West Side), Joe Fusco (South Side), James Mondi (Cicero), Rocco DeGrazia (Northwest), Rocco Fischetti (Southwest), James Adducci (West Side), Frank LaPorte (Southern suburbs), Jim Emery (Southern Suburbs), Joe Genaro (Southern Suburbs), Bruno Roti Sr. (South Side), James Belcastro (South Side), John Armondo (South Side), Frank Maritote (Cicero), John Capone (Cicero), Ernest Mazzone (West Side), Charles Gioe (West Side), Tony Capezio (North Side), Mike Carrozzo (West Side), Louis Romano (West Side), Lawrence Mangano (West Side), Rocco Fanelli (West Side), Rocco Belcastro (South Side), Louis Clementi (West Side), Paul Tergo (West Side), Frank Chiavavolloti (Southwest), Carl Torraco (Cicero), Joseph and Louis LaCava (Cicero)

1930/1931

Joseph Imburgio (West Side), Louis Fratto (West Side), Tony Accardo (West Side), Sam Battaglia (West Side), Mike Allegretti (Cicero), Ross Prio (North Side), Ben Fillichio (West Side), Fred Morelli (South Side), Tony Bagnola (South Side), Ralph Buglio (Cicero), Mike DeStefano (South Side), Nick Circella (North Side), Sam Faruzzi (Cicero), Carmen Fanelli (Southwest), Pete Lordo (South Side), Sam Rinella (South Side), John Borcia (West Side),


Possible and already made members (mainly Sicilians) who joined or were allies of the Capone Mob during that same time period:

Angelo Genna (West Side), Joseph Esposito (West Side), Albert Anselmi (West Side), John Scalise (West Side), Antonio Lombardo (West Side), Salvatore LoVerde (North Side), James DeGeorge (North Side), Tony Pinelli (North Side), Onofrio Vitale (North Side), Sam, Charlie and Nick Costello (Southern suburbs), Santo Virusso (Southern suburbs), Mike DiGiovanni (Southern suburbs), Pete Zarante (Southern suburbs),
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After reading everything in this thread, I personally am convinced that Chicago, ever since Capone could induct his 10 men in '29/'30, has had an induction ceremony. I don't believe they begun in the late 70's, early 80's with Aiuppa, they were just a lot more selective with who they inducted.

I do believe tough, that it is very possible that they don't have one these days. I think DiFronzo could very well have stopped it somewhere in the late 90's early 2000's, but like everything in the Outfit that remains a mystery until there will come a high level turncoat..
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BillyBrizzi wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:11 am After reading everything in this thread, I personally am convinced that Chicago, ever since Capone could induct his 10 men in '29/'30, has had an induction ceremony. I don't believe they begun in the late 70's, early 80's with Aiuppa, they were just a lot more selective with who they inducted.

I do believe tough, that it is very possible that they don't have one these days. I think DiFronzo could very well have stopped it somewhere in the late 90's early 2000's, but like everything in the Outfit that remains a mystery until there will come a high level turncoat..
They started with a traditional ceremony since at the beginning they were considered a crew for the Sicilians, but later when they became independent family under Capone for the first time, they also simplified the traditional method out of various reasons, with Giancana probably being the one who completely transformed it during his reign as boss. After that Accardo and Aiuppa brought back the traditional way, possibly because they were still part of the Cosa Nostra commission and were still closely tied to the families on the east coast, which at the same time reopened their books and possibly asked the Outfit to do it.

And you're probably right about DiFronzo and possibly today's Outfit
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Villain wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:06 am
BillyBrizzi wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:11 am After reading everything in this thread, I personally am convinced that Chicago, ever since Capone could induct his 10 men in '29/'30, has had an induction ceremony. I don't believe they begun in the late 70's, early 80's with Aiuppa, they were just a lot more selective with who they inducted.

I do believe tough, that it is very possible that they don't have one these days. I think DiFronzo could very well have stopped it somewhere in the late 90's early 2000's, but like everything in the Outfit that remains a mystery until there will come a high level turncoat..
They started with a traditional ceremony since at the beginning they were considered a crew for the Sicilians, but later when they became independent family under Capone for the first time, they also simplified the traditional method out of various reasons, with Giancana probably being the one who completely transformed it during his reign as boss. After that Accardo and Aiuppa brought back the traditional way, possibly because they were still part of the Cosa Nostra commission and were still closely tied to the families on the east coast, which at the same time reopened their books and possibly asked the Outfit to do it.

And you're probably right about DiFronzo and possibly today's Outfit
I'm sure they simplified the ceremony after the early 30's, but they were still ceremonies were the inductee took an oath. That is very different from what I previously always thought, in that someone got made in the Outfit by a handshake and maybe a nice dinner with the fellas.. That's this is is a very valuable thread, because this has always been one of the most confusing and mysterious topics regarding the Outfit imo..
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BillyBrizzi wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:07 am
Villain wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:06 am
BillyBrizzi wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:11 am After reading everything in this thread, I personally am convinced that Chicago, ever since Capone could induct his 10 men in '29/'30, has had an induction ceremony. I don't believe they begun in the late 70's, early 80's with Aiuppa, they were just a lot more selective with who they inducted.

I do believe tough, that it is very possible that they don't have one these days. I think DiFronzo could very well have stopped it somewhere in the late 90's early 2000's, but like everything in the Outfit that remains a mystery until there will come a high level turncoat..
They started with a traditional ceremony since at the beginning they were considered a crew for the Sicilians, but later when they became independent family under Capone for the first time, they also simplified the traditional method out of various reasons, with Giancana probably being the one who completely transformed it during his reign as boss. After that Accardo and Aiuppa brought back the traditional way, possibly because they were still part of the Cosa Nostra commission and were still closely tied to the families on the east coast, which at the same time reopened their books and possibly asked the Outfit to do it.

And you're probably right about DiFronzo and possibly today's Outfit
I'm sure they simplified the ceremony after the early 30's, but they were still ceremonies were the inductee took an oath. That is very different from what I previously always thought, in that someone got made in the Outfit by a handshake and maybe a nice dinner with the fellas.. That's this is is a very valuable thread, because this has always been one of the most confusing and mysterious topics regarding the Outfit imo..
You thought right B, meaning thats what happened when Giancana took over. It was a few testings such as make a deal or some amount of cash, including extortion or loan sharking and often kill a guy or two. And if you showed yourself as a stand up guy, you were going to receive a slap on the back and a handshake and would've been told that you're in. If you were a suspicious guy, then they were going to arrange a dinner with the top guys and you would've received a few additional questions or tasks if needed. Its not that he didnt care about the traditional ways but instead this was Giancana's own "traditional" recipe to defend the organization from potential informants, meaning you are going to wash your hands in blood more than few times and after that, you MIGHT get in...if you know what im sayin... and when the feds are going to question some of those potential informants regarding their alleged traditional inductions, they are going to say that they killed someone and received a tap on the back, which in fact is going to create a big confusion between the investigators regarding the whole Cosa Nostra thing which was publicly presented by Valachi during that same time period. In plane words, even though Giancana was blinded by the money, power and pussy, still by the end of the day he was one quite smart Mafioso and was probably backed by Ricca to further transform the traditional ways because of the huge government heat.
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Villain wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:17 am In plane words, even though Giancana was blinded by the money, power and pussy, still by the end of the day he was one quite smart Mafioso and was probably forced to change the traditional ways because of the huge government heat.
Giancana is very underestimated as a mobster imo.. Franzese always says that since Al Capone nobody made as much money for the mob as himself, but I personally think that Giancana made the most money. We never will get an answer to that question of course, but Giancana operated on an international level during the Golden era of the mob from the early 30's to the early 70's..
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BillyBrizzi wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:41 am
Villain wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:17 am In plane words, even though Giancana was blinded by the money, power and pussy, still by the end of the day he was one quite smart Mafioso and was probably forced to change the traditional ways because of the huge government heat.
Giancana is very underestimated as a mobster imo.. Franzese always says that since Al Capone nobody made as much money for the mob as himself, but I personally think that Giancana made the most money. We never will get an answer to that question of course, but Giancana operated on an international level during the Golden era of the mob from the early 30's to the early 70's..
If we're talking about profits for the organization, then yeah but if talk about personal profits, then I think that none of those two ever made the real cash. I mean when Capone went to jail the Mob was obliged to take care of his family financially. So where the hell was all of his cash? Also during the late 1960's and early 70's when Giancana spent most of the time out of the country, he was still making millions but in 1974 he was almost broke?! And again, where did the all the money go?! And in the end most of his family members began writing books so they can made few more bucks. Also after the deaths of Nitto and Campagna, their families were not aware of the hidden locations of their fortunes. If you ask me, the only guys who made the real cash were the same guys who went semi-legit before the whole government heat came down, including guys such as Joe Fusco, Ross Prio, Tony Accardo, Jake Guzik, Paul Ricca, Eddie Vogel or Hyman Larner. These were only some of the guys who retired or died with millions and left something legit or employed their families so they can continue to live a rich and legit life styles at least few more decades.
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Guys like Capone and Giancana also spent a lot more money than the guys you mention I reckon. I think the amount of cash squandered by these kind of guys on broads and gambling etc. is very scary..
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