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Re: Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017

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Battaglia definitely was the sole boss over that territory. I think only after he and most of his lieutenants went to prison did they start sharing it.
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Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:35 pm Battaglia definitely was the sole boss over that territory. I think only after he and most of his lieutenants went to prison did they start sharing it.
Spot on and thats when Aiuppa actually entered... "During December, 1972 the new acting mayor of Melrose Park, since the death of Jake LaSpisa, was August “Augie” Taddeo. Taddeo was the godson of Outfit boss Joey Aiuppa and close associate of Nicoletti. Vic Taddeo, Augie’s father, worked as a dealer in Cicero gambling games and also worked as a muscleman for Aiuppa. Nicoletti and Aiuppa played major role in placing Taddeo as the new mayor. Shortly before LaSpisa’s death Nicoletti was still the dominant force in Melrose Park politics. He had few nominates for the mayor spot. One was Ralph “Babe” Serpico who served as the Democratic Committeeman for Proviso Township. He did two stints in prison and was discovered by the press as the connection between the Chicago outfit and the Democratic Party. So Nicoletti washed his hands of Serpico by refusing to intercede. The other guy was Lou Nikolas but Nikolas started bragging about this too early, telling people that he’s the next mayor and had the backing of the Chicago syndicate. This move even enraged Sam Battaglia in prison. The Outfit called on Nikolas he was told that not only he was not going to be the mayor but he also had to resign his job as trustee. That’s when Taddeo got in to the picture and became mayor. Also it was at this time when Nicoletti brought Aiuppa to Melrose Park and became the boss of that area. Now Nicoletti and Aiuppa were the prime forces in some of the most lucrative area in Chicago. Their main messenger was an attorney by the name of Barney Bruno. Bruno was the courier that carried instructions and messages to other lower members and imprisoned bosses like Cerone and Battaglia."
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Villain wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:35 pm
Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:35 pm Battaglia definitely was the sole boss over that territory. I think only after he and most of his lieutenants went to prison did they start sharing it.
Spot on and thats when Aiuppa actually entered... "During December, 1972 the new acting mayor of Melrose Park, since the death of Jake LaSpisa, was August “Augie” Taddeo. Taddeo was the godson of Outfit boss Joey Aiuppa and close associate of Nicoletti. Vic Taddeo, Augie’s father, worked as a dealer in Cicero gambling games and also worked as a muscleman for Aiuppa. Nicoletti and Aiuppa played major role in placing Taddeo as the new mayor. Shortly before LaSpisa’s death Nicoletti was still the dominant force in Melrose Park politics. He had few nominates for the mayor spot. One was Ralph “Babe” Serpico who served as the Democratic Committeeman for Proviso Township. He did two stints in prison and was discovered by the press as the connection between the Chicago outfit and the Democratic Party. So Nicoletti washed his hands of Serpico by refusing to intercede. The other guy was Lou Nikolas but Nikolas started bragging about this too early, telling people that he’s the next mayor and had the backing of the Chicago syndicate. This move even enraged Sam Battaglia in prison. The Outfit called on Nikolas he was told that not only he was not going to be the mayor but he also had to resign his job as trustee. That’s when Taddeo got in to the picture and became mayor. Also it was at this time when Nicoletti brought Aiuppa to Melrose Park and became the boss of that area. Now Nicoletti and Aiuppa were the prime forces in some of the most lucrative area in Chicago. Their main messenger was an attorney by the name of Barney Bruno. Bruno was the courier that carried instructions and messages to other lower members and imprisoned bosses like Cerone and Battaglia."
Aiuppa was already the boss by the early 70's. He ruled the Cicero area from the 50's. Lived there and had all the clubs all along 22nd street.
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Pete wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:46 pm
Villain wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:35 pm
Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:35 pm Battaglia definitely was the sole boss over that territory. I think only after he and most of his lieutenants went to prison did they start sharing it.
Spot on and thats when Aiuppa actually entered... "During December, 1972 the new acting mayor of Melrose Park, since the death of Jake LaSpisa, was August “Augie” Taddeo. Taddeo was the godson of Outfit boss Joey Aiuppa and close associate of Nicoletti. Vic Taddeo, Augie’s father, worked as a dealer in Cicero gambling games and also worked as a muscleman for Aiuppa. Nicoletti and Aiuppa played major role in placing Taddeo as the new mayor. Shortly before LaSpisa’s death Nicoletti was still the dominant force in Melrose Park politics. He had few nominates for the mayor spot. One was Ralph “Babe” Serpico who served as the Democratic Committeeman for Proviso Township. He did two stints in prison and was discovered by the press as the connection between the Chicago outfit and the Democratic Party. So Nicoletti washed his hands of Serpico by refusing to intercede. The other guy was Lou Nikolas but Nikolas started bragging about this too early, telling people that he’s the next mayor and had the backing of the Chicago syndicate. This move even enraged Sam Battaglia in prison. The Outfit called on Nikolas he was told that not only he was not going to be the mayor but he also had to resign his job as trustee. That’s when Taddeo got in to the picture and became mayor. Also it was at this time when Nicoletti brought Aiuppa to Melrose Park and became the boss of that area. Now Nicoletti and Aiuppa were the prime forces in some of the most lucrative area in Chicago. Their main messenger was an attorney by the name of Barney Bruno. Bruno was the courier that carried instructions and messages to other lower members and imprisoned bosses like Cerone and Battaglia."
Aiuppa was already the boss by the early 70's. He ruled the Cicero area from the 50's. Lived there and had all the clubs all along 22nd street.
Thats right and he simply used the same previous tactic of Campagna/Giancana/Battaglia/Buccieri by spreading his influence in few of the most profitable areas or businesses at the time
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Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:20 am
Confederate wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:47 am
Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:03 am It's not that hard to figure out. At first he wasn't, but later he was.
You didn't answer the question. What evidence do you have that states Eboli was not a member of the Grand Avenue Crew at first but later he was a member? You said you had information stating this fact.
If you don't trust me by now, I'll post something lol. Give me time to get it.

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It had nothing to do with trust, i just wanted to SEE where you got your information and be able to read it. No need to take it personal like you are some dictator not to be questioned. LOL
Now that I saw where you got your information, I further believe what I read to be more accurate. I say Eboli belonged to Lombardo even if he operated in Melrose Park a lot. So what? These territory Bosses ALWAYS were trying to EXPAND their influence and territories always overlapped according to Villain and You and also from what I read. I would take the word of the FBI 1983 Federal Prosecutors words over an anonymous informant that Eboli was a Grand Avenue crew member as far back as at least 1979 because that is when they produced the taped recorded discussion between Lombardo and Eboli discussing Grand Avenue territory business and making sure it did not conflict with Ferriola.
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Guess what? What I posted was before 1979. So it still supports what I said about him being a part of both crews. And I posted seveal sources, not just one. Lombardo is not even mentioned in connection with Eboli until the 80s. No need to get pissy.
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Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:56 pm Guess what? What I posted was before 1979. So it still supports what I said about him being a part of both crews. And I posted seveal sources, not just one. Lombardo is not even mentioned in connection with Eboli until the 80s. Don't get pissy.
Wrong. Eboli was mentioned with Lombardo in 1979 which is not the 1980's. Anyway, I guess we'll never really know how long Eboli was with Lombardo unless we interview Lombardo from prison and ask him.
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So, one time.

You go from amicable to furious at the flip of a switch.
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Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:14 pm So, one time.

You go from amicable to furious at the flip of a switch.
What? I just asked you to show me where you got your information and you took offense to it by saying I didn't trust you.
That was it. You may be right. Maybe Eboli was with Auippa originally and then somehow ended up with Grand Avenue.
The original debate was when you or somebody (maybe Antiliar) said that Auippa put Eboli in Charge of Grand Avenue when Lombardo went away in 1985. I don't think that is true at all simply because Eboli was with Lombardo at least by 1979.
I generally like your info on the Outfit but sometimes what I read is in conflict with you or Antiliar. That's all. No big deal.
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Confederate wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:24 pm
Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:14 pm So, one time.

You go from amicable to furious at the flip of a switch.
What? I just asked you to show me where you got your information and you took offense to it by saying I didn't trust you.
That was it. You may be right. Maybe Eboli was with Auippa originally and then somehow ended up with Grand Avenue.
The original debate was when you or somebody (maybe Antiliar) said that Auippa put Eboli in Charge of Grand Avenue when Lombardo went away in 1985. I don't think that is true at all simply because Eboli was with Lombardo at least by 1979.
I generally like your info on the Outfit but sometimes what I read is in conflict with you or Antiliar. That's all. No big deal.
Lombardo went away in 82. Then had another conviction in 86
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Confederate wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:24 pm
Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:14 pm So, one time.

You go from amicable to furious at the flip of a switch.
What? I just asked you to show me where you got your information and you took offense to it by saying I didn't trust you.
That was it. You may be right. Maybe Eboli was with Auippa originally and then somehow ended up with Grand Avenue.
The original debate was when you or somebody (maybe Antiliar) said that Auippa put Eboli in Charge of Grand Avenue when Lombardo went away in 1985. I don't think that is true at all simply because Eboli was with Lombardo at least by 1979.
I generally like your info on the Outfit but sometimes what I read is in conflict with you or Antiliar. That's all. No big deal.
Well, I didn't take offense to it. I used "lol" for god's sake.
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Pete wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:37 pm
Antiliar wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:17 pm I have a completely different interpretation. Mine is like this (not necessarily complete):

Battaglia > Alderisio > Nicoletti > Lombardo > Eboli (acting) > Cozzo (maybe, acting) > Lombardo (out of prison) > Vena

Aiuppa > Ortenzi (possibly/not sure) > Carlisi > Eboli > Marcello

Buccieri > Torello > Ferriola > Infelise > Monteleone > Sarno > DeLaurentis

D'Andrea > Roti > Caruso > Angelo LaPietra > James LaPietra > Monteleone > Caruso

Accardo > Capezio > Cerone > Gagliano > DiFronzo > Magnifichi > Andriacchi

The territories overlapped. Aiuppa and Battaglia both operated in Melrose Park (so did Cerone for a while); Aiuppa and Buccieri both operated in Cicero; Accardo and Capezio operated in Grand Avenue and the later bosses moved to Elmwood Park; Battaglia operated in Chicago proper, parts of Melrose Park, parts of the North Side/Rush Street, and Stone Park (and probably a few other places), and under Lombardo it was Grand Avenue. Buccieri had a very large crew and some of it was later split off to Chinatown (the LaPietras, Monteleone, Calabrese, etc. were previously under Buccieri). That's not everything, but that's how I see it.
What about centracchio? I had him as a capo
I don't have confirmation from a reliable source that Centracchio was a capo, but I don't rule him out as a possibility. If he was, then he came after Eboli (died 1987) as acting capo of the Grand Avenue (Joey Lombardo) crew. How long did Centracchio hold the position? He died in 2001, but Lombardo was out of prison in 1992. In Patsy Spilotro's testimony in the Family Secrets trial, he said that Lombardo told him he had been shelved. If that's true, then Lombardo lost his position when he went to prison in the 1980s, which totally contradicts the narrative about him that most people believe. If Lombardo was shelved (and that's a big "if"), it could have been related to Aiuppa telling him he could have started a war when he told the St. Louis boss, Tony Giordano, to "shit or get off the pot" over Morris Shenker. What do you think?
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Didn't Red say that Cozzo succeeded Eboli? And that Schweihs was upset about it? I doubt that Lombardo was shelved. I always just thought that was him blowing smoke with Pat Spilotro. Just my guess.
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I'm not saying that Lombardo wasn't lying to Pat Spilotro, but it is possible that he was telling the truth. Stranger things have happened. Red said that Cozzo couldn't succeed Lombardo because he wasn't made, instead it went to the guy "out west" (Eboli). Then when Eboli died, Schweihs said he was in charge.
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Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:22 pm Didn't Red say that Cozzo succeeded Eboli? And that Schweihs was upset about it? I doubt that Lombardo was shelved. I always just thought that was him blowing smoke with Pat Spilotro. Just my guess.
Can you link to this info about dr pat? I've heard other info that the clown told him like he said like ny was moving in and that he would have saved the spilotro brothers if he was out but never heard this about him being shelved
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