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He just brought his own guys from the looks of it.
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Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:21 am He just brought his own guys from the looks of it.
So if thats the case, then when Nicoletti became the underboss, it is possibly that Ortenzi became the boss of MP while Aiuppa became the boss of the Outfit. At the same time Eboli possibly remained as overseer in Stone Park under the Ortenzi/Aiuppa faction until the murder of Nicoletti and later the creation of the Grand Av crew in the late 70s. So does this mean that Caifano or Lombardo were still under Ortenzi/Aiuppa until the creation of their own crew?
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Villain wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:32 am
Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:21 am He just brought his own guys from the looks of it.
So if thats the case, then when Nicoletti became the underboss, it is possibly that Ortenzi became the boss of MP while Aiuppa became the boss of the Outfit. At the same time Eboli possibly remained as overseer in Stone Park under the Ortenzi/Aiuppa faction until the murder of Nicoletti and later the creation of the Grand Av crew in the late 70s. So does this mean that Caifano or Lombardo were still under Ortenzi/Aiuppa until the creation of their own crew?
Don't overthink it. When Aiuppa moved to MP, he took "his" guys with him (Ortenzi, Carlisi, Tornabene, to name a few) and made sure that he left Cicero in good hands (Turk). He also inherited a few guys like DeChiaro and Eboli. By this point, I believe that MP ceased to exist as a true crew and all of its guys were simply under Aiuppa and reported to him through Ortenzi, but I don't believe Ortenzi was ever at the status of a "true" boss. Nicoletti was one of the few guys left with enough clout to be on, or near, the level of Aiuppa, so he was appeased by Aiuppa agreeing to share the territory with him, along with Franklin Park, Stone Park, etc.

Phil Alderisio had his own separate crew of guys by the time he went away and he reported directly to the boss, who at the time was Battaglia. Once he and Alderisio died, they needed someone to fill that void of power so they made Lombardo (who had been running that Alderisio crew anyway) a boss. They didn't need to have a boss running MP because Aiuppa and Nicoletti were already headquartered there, so Lombardo got Grand Avenue and certain areas on the North Side and elsewhere.

I believe the same thing happened with Cerone being underboss and simultaneously running Elmwood Park but as he started to gain more power (and possibly have a hand in running things because of Aiuppa's health) he needed to make DiFronzo a boss, which we know he did by at least 1983.
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Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:59 am
Villain wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:32 am
Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:21 am He just brought his own guys from the looks of it.
So if thats the case, then when Nicoletti became the underboss, it is possibly that Ortenzi became the boss of MP while Aiuppa became the boss of the Outfit. At the same time Eboli possibly remained as overseer in Stone Park under the Ortenzi/Aiuppa faction until the murder of Nicoletti and later the creation of the Grand Av crew in the late 70s. So does this mean that Caifano or Lombardo were still under Ortenzi/Aiuppa until the creation of their own crew?
Don't overthink it. When Aiuppa moved to MP, he took "his" guys with him (Ortenzi, Carlisi, Tornabene, to name a few) and made sure that he left Cicero in good hands (Turk). He also inherited a few guys like DeChiaro and Eboli. By this point, I believe that MP ceased to exist as a true crew and all of its guys were simply under Aiuppa and reported to him through Ortenzi, but I don't believe Ortenzi was ever at the status of a "true" boss. Nicoletti was one of the few guys left with enough clout to be on, or near, the level of Aiuppa, so he was appeased by Aiuppa agreeing to share the territory with him, along with Franklin Park, Stone Park, etc.

Phil Alderisio had his own separate crew of guys by the time he went away and he reported directly to the boss, who at the time was Battaglia. Once he and Alderisio died, they needed someone to fill that void of power so they made Lombardo (who had been running that Alderisio crew anyway) a boss. They didn't need to have a boss running MP because Aiuppa and Nicoletti were already headquartered there, so Lombardo got Grand Avenue and certain areas on the North Side and elsewhere.

I believe the same thing happened with Cerone being underboss and simultaneously running Elmwood Park but as he started to gain more power (and possibly have a hand in running things because of Aiuppa's health) he needed to make DiFronzo a boss, which we know he did by at least 1983.
That also makes sense and yeah Im also aware that sometimes the underboss controlled his own crew but only through his second in command or crew boss, like for example Campagna and Giancana or Ferraro and Alex or Battaglia and Alderisio etc. But still the most confusing thing for me is when Nicoletti became the underboss (maybe acting position but it doesnt matter), that same member usually had jurisdiction over the First Ward (which is well documented) and also sometimes over a crew, obviously through a capo or some kind of overseer, which in this case it must've been a capo since we're talking about an old crew and one huge territory. So again, Im really confused on who controlled the new MP crew for Aiuppa and Nicoletti? I dont believe that Nicoletti was the guy since, again, he was the underboss and held other responsibilities and acording to many reports, most things point to Ortenzi, no matter how we label him, still guys were reporting to him.
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Also I know that we already discussed this and I completely believe in your statement, but still its very confusing document and might add up to the previous case... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... o_lombardo ...meaning it is possible that in 75 the Grand Av crew still wasnt officially recognized and some of their members were still under the jurisdiction of some of the old MP members and looks like the cooperation existed for real https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... o_lombardo
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Senior Advisor: "Senior Advisor" is a mostly unofficial role that we have granted to an Outfit member, or members -- usually of high stature -- who report directly to the bosses and are used by them on an advisory basis. This position has sometimes been identified by law enforcement sources (particularly in recent years) as the "consigliere," despite the Outfit's traditional non-usage of that term. Oftentimes, these members are older, more experienced members who may be semi-retired or restricted from having other roles in the organization, due to parole restrictions, declining health, or other reasons. Due to the unofficial nature of this position, the dates and names listed below are to the best of our knowledge considering the available sources.

Villain, I can't find a place for Tornabene here. D'Amico is mentioned on Scott's site as taking over the consigliere spot in 2005 and relinquishing it (temporarily) to Andriacchi before gaining it back in 2015. I have definitely seen Scott refer to Tornabene as a "former" consigliere but believe he may be doing so in error. If not, perhaps he shared the spot with Gus Alex because the latter was out of town so often? He also officiated over the ceremony, although I'm really not sure. I'm fine with leaving it the way it is below without him, though.
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Paul Ricca 1948-1955 (became top boss)

Tony Accardo 1955 1971 (became top boss)

Gus Alex 1971 1992 (imprisoned)

Joey Lombardo 1992 2005 (imprisoned) / Angelo LaPietra 1995 1999 (died)

Marco D'Amico 2005 2012 (replaced)

Joe Andriacchi 2012 2015 (became top boss)
-John Matassa, Jr. 2014 2015 (acting for Andriacchi)

Marco D'Amico 2015 present (possibly joined by John Matassa, Jr.)
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Villain wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:35 am Also I know that we already discussed this and I completely believe in your statement, but still its very confusing document and might add up to the previous case... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... o_lombardo ...meaning it is possible that in 75 the Grand Av crew still wasnt officially recognized and some of their members were still under the jurisdiction of some of the old MP members and looks like the cooperation existed for real https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... o_lombardo
I think that it just wasn't apparent to law enforcement that it was a street crew at that point. Lombardo was identified as a boss as early as '73/'74, but this didn't come out until a little later. Also, I'm sure that there was cooperation between the two areas (MP and Grand Av) in some instances due to territorial overlapping but the GAC appears to be a distinct territory by at least the time period mentioned above.
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I have a completely different interpretation. Mine is like this (not necessarily complete):

Battaglia > Alderisio > Nicoletti > Lombardo > Eboli (acting) > Cozzo (maybe, acting) > Lombardo (out of prison) > Vena

Aiuppa > Ortenzi (possibly/not sure) > Carlisi > Eboli > Marcello

Buccieri > Torello > Ferriola > Infelise > Monteleone > Sarno > DeLaurentis

D'Andrea > Roti > Caruso > Angelo LaPietra > James LaPietra > Monteleone > Caruso

Accardo > Capezio > Cerone > Gagliano > DiFronzo > Magnifichi > Andriacchi

The territories overlapped. Aiuppa and Battaglia both operated in Melrose Park (so did Cerone for a while); Aiuppa and Buccieri both operated in Cicero; Accardo and Capezio operated in Grand Avenue and the later bosses moved to Elmwood Park; Battaglia operated in Chicago proper, parts of Melrose Park, parts of the North Side/Rush Street, and Stone Park (and probably a few other places), and under Lombardo it was Grand Avenue. Buccieri had a very large crew and some of it was later split off to Chinatown (the LaPietras, Monteleone, Calabrese, etc. were previously under Buccieri). That's not everything, but that's how I see it.
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I just don't think it was as linear as that, especially in MP and Grand Avenue. It's tough to tell with what he have available, though.
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Antiliar wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:17 pm I have a completely different interpretation. Mine is like this (not necessarily complete):

Battaglia > Alderisio > Nicoletti > Lombardo > Eboli (acting) > Cozzo (maybe, acting) > Lombardo (out of prison) > Vena

Aiuppa > Ortenzi (possibly/not sure) > Carlisi > Eboli > Marcello

Buccieri > Torello > Ferriola > Infelise > Monteleone > Sarno > DeLaurentis

D'Andrea > Roti > Caruso > Angelo LaPietra > James LaPietra > Monteleone > Caruso

Accardo > Capezio > Cerone > Gagliano > DiFronzo > Magnifichi > Andriacchi

The territories overlapped. Aiuppa and Battaglia both operated in Melrose Park (so did Cerone for a while); Aiuppa and Buccieri both operated in Cicero; Accardo and Capezio operated in Grand Avenue and the later bosses moved to Elmwood Park; Battaglia operated in Chicago proper, parts of Melrose Park, parts of the North Side/Rush Street, and Stone Park (and probably a few other places), and under Lombardo it was Grand Avenue. Buccieri had a very large crew and some of it was later split off to Chinatown (the LaPietras, Monteleone, Calabrese, etc. were previously under Buccieri). That's not everything, but that's how I see it.
Rocco DeGrazia was before Battaglia and it is possible that Frank Rio was before DeGrazia since he spent the first half of the 1930s in prison or until 35 the same time Rio died.

Also Ralph Capone was in the southern Cicero area before Aiuppa, although theres one murky period during the early 50s in which i personally believe that Aiuppa was still the unofficial captain, not until Claude Maddox's death.

I also think that you were right regarding Frank Maritote being the guy who divided the Cicero area with Ralph Capone. So when Maritote went to jail in 1943, it is possible that Giancana later took over the northern Cicero part, which was later inherited by Fiore Buccieri and much later the complete Cicero area was taken over by Turk Torello, one of Buccieris underlings and long time confidant of Aiuppas southern Cicero crew
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Antiliar wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:17 pm I have a completely different interpretation. Mine is like this (not necessarily complete):

Battaglia > Alderisio > Nicoletti > Lombardo > Eboli (acting) > Cozzo (maybe, acting) > Lombardo (out of prison) > Vena

Aiuppa > Ortenzi (possibly/not sure) > Carlisi > Eboli > Marcello

Buccieri > Torello > Ferriola > Infelise > Monteleone > Sarno > DeLaurentis

D'Andrea > Roti > Caruso > Angelo LaPietra > James LaPietra > Monteleone > Caruso

Accardo > Capezio > Cerone > Gagliano > DiFronzo > Magnifichi > Andriacchi

The territories overlapped. Aiuppa and Battaglia both operated in Melrose Park (so did Cerone for a while); Aiuppa and Buccieri both operated in Cicero; Accardo and Capezio operated in Grand Avenue and the later bosses moved to Elmwood Park; Battaglia operated in Chicago proper, parts of Melrose Park, parts of the North Side/Rush Street, and Stone Park (and probably a few other places), and under Lombardo it was Grand Avenue. Buccieri had a very large crew and some of it was later split off to Chinatown (the LaPietras, Monteleone, Calabrese, etc. were previously under Buccieri). That's not everything, but that's how I see it.
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I just thought he was a strong guy direct with the bosses. I honestly don't know a ton about him.
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Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:39 pm I just thought he was a strong guy direct with the bosses. I honestly don't know a ton about him.
Ccc and various articles had him, andriacchi, and monteleone as the crew bosses reporting to difronzo
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Snakes wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:01 pm Senior Advisor: "Senior Advisor" is a mostly unofficial role that we have granted to an Outfit member, or members -- usually of high stature -- who report directly to the bosses and are used by them on an advisory basis. This position has sometimes been identified by law enforcement sources (particularly in recent years) as the "consigliere," despite the Outfit's traditional non-usage of that term. Oftentimes, these members are older, more experienced members who may be semi-retired or restricted from having other roles in the organization, due to parole restrictions, declining health, or other reasons. Due to the unofficial nature of this position, the dates and names listed below are to the best of our knowledge considering the available sources.

Villain, I can't find a place for Tornabene here. D'Amico is mentioned on Scott's site as taking over the consigliere spot in 2005 and relinquishing it (temporarily) to Andriacchi before gaining it back in 2015. I have definitely seen Scott refer to Tornabene as a "former" consigliere but believe he may be doing so in error. If not, perhaps he shared the spot with Gus Alex because the latter was out of town so often? He also officiated over the ceremony, although I'm really not sure. I'm fine with leaving it the way it is below without him, though.
Villain wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:48 pm Senior Adviser

Paul Ricca 1948-1955 (became top boss)

Tony Accardo 1955 1971 (became top boss)

Gus Alex 1971 1992 (imprisoned)

Joey Lombardo 1992 2005 (imprisoned) / Angelo LaPietra 1995 1999 (died)

Marco D'Amico 2005 2012 (replaced)

Joe Andriacchi 2012 2015 (became top boss)
-John Matassa, Jr. 2014 2015 (acting for Andriacchi)

Marco D'Amico 2015 present (possibly joined by John Matassa, Jr.)
Im cool with it, although i also have to see what the other fellas think regarding the D'Amico/Tornabene situation...i mean if the guy presented a ceremony...i dont know...i think your post makes sense
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Also I completely disagree that Battaglia, Aiuppa or Cerone ever shared the MP area, not until Battaglia was still a captain or later an underboss. Dont forget that during one period, Alderisio, Nicoletti, Caifano, Frabotta, Amabile and Pranno, all answered to Battaglia. Even during one time Willie Daddono gave percentage to Battaglia for letting him operate in his area and even the Dave Yaras/Lenny Patrick group also reported to him during one period while operating in different areas. In fact, Battaglia was the one who held the largest crew before Buccieri, who in turn later managed to spread his operations on the Near South Side when he first joined Alex and Ferraro in the Loop area and later further spread his influence in Chinatown and later created a conflict on the South Side and Chicago Heights areas...there's a whole written history about it and it was all Mob politics and just another example of constant control and conflicts by the West Side faction
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