Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017
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Re: Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017
In going thru some FBI files they seem to indicate that Bucky Ortenzi may have been a capo for a short period. The language used isn't definitive, so hard to tell. Any thoughts?
Re: Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017
I'm not sure. I was inclined to think that maybe he ran MP by proxy for Aiuppa and the guys who were direct with Aiuppa reported to him through Bucky. But I'm not sure he ever officially held status as a captain.
Re: Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017
I'm going to go through each one of these and offer my thoughts. I made some edits to dates and such, below. The only real change I suggested is to make Aiuppa the top boss after Accardo's death. He was identified as "consigliere" by the FBI upon his death. They had Accardo at that same position throughout his reign as top boss. I don't think he necessarily tried to rule anything from prison but I'm sure he was consulted with and taken care of while he was away. The only other thing I updated were the dates in a few instances. For example, when Ricca died in 1971, Accardo took over that same year, so I added it to his reign. I've also added a definition, if you'd like to include it on the final chart.
Top Boss: The Outfit's top boss was the most powerful member of the organization. Although the activity associated with this position varied over the years, the individual holding it held final say over major decisions and disputes but still allowed the operating boss or bosses to manage the various territories of the Outfit with a great deal of independence. The FBI sometimes (but not always, depending on the amount of involvement the individual holding it exhibited) labeled this position as "consigliere" to fit it within the structural parameters of their LCN investigations.
Top Boss: The Outfit's top boss was the most powerful member of the organization. Although the activity associated with this position varied over the years, the individual holding it held final say over major decisions and disputes but still allowed the operating boss or bosses to manage the various territories of the Outfit with a great deal of independence. The FBI sometimes (but not always, depending on the amount of involvement the individual holding it exhibited) labeled this position as "consigliere" to fit it within the structural parameters of their LCN investigations.
Let me know what you think. I'll get to the other positions soon.Villain wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:48 pm Top Boss
Al Capone 1932 1939 (imprisoned in Alcatraz until 1939 when was transferred to the Federal Correctional Institution at Terminal Island in California to serve out his sentence for contempt of court and was considered retired because of his alleged health problems and died in 1947)
Paul Ricca 1939 1943 (imprisoned in 1943 until 1947)
Charles Fischetti 1943 1946
Louis Campagna 1946 1955 (Campagna died in 1955)
Paul Ricca 1955 1971 (died)
Anthony Accardo 1971 1992 (died)
Joseph Aiuppa 1992 1997 (imprisoned)
John DiFronzo 1997 2014 (retired)
Joseph Andriacchi 2014 2016 (retired)
Salvatore DeLaurentis 2016 present
Re: Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017
Im completely down with it, except for Ricca being dead in 72, not 71Snakes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:19 pm I'm going to go through each one of these and offer my thoughts. I made some edits to dates and such, below. The only real change I suggested is to make Aiuppa the top boss after Accardo's death. He was identified as "consigliere" by the FBI upon his death. They had Accardo at that same position throughout his reign as top boss. I don't think he necessarily tried to rule anything from prison but I'm sure he was consulted with and taken care of while he was away. The only other thing I updated were the dates in a few instances. For example, when Ricca died in 1971, Accardo took over that same year, so I added it to his reign. I've also added a definition, if you'd like to include it on the final chart.
Top Boss: The Outfit's top boss was the most powerful member of the organization. Although the activity associated with this position varied over the years, the individual holding it held final say over major decisions and disputes but still allowed the operating boss or bosses to manage the various territories of the Outfit with a great deal of independence. The FBI sometimes (but not always, depending on the amount of involvement the individual holding it exhibited) labeled this position as "consigliere" to fit it within the structural parameters of their LCN investigations.
Let me know what you think. I'll get to the other positions soon.Villain wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:48 pm Top Boss
Al Capone 1932 1939 (imprisoned in Alcatraz until 1939 when was transferred to the Federal Correctional Institution at Terminal Island in California to serve out his sentence for contempt of court and was considered retired because of his alleged health problems and died in 1947)
Paul Ricca 1939 1943 (imprisoned in 1943 until 1947)
Charles Fischetti 1943 1946
Louis Campagna 1946 1955 (Campagna died in 1955)
Paul Ricca 1955 1971 (died)
Anthony Accardo 1971 1992 (died)
Joseph Aiuppa 1992 1997 (imprisoned)
John DiFronzo 1997 2014 (retired)
Joseph Andriacchi 2014 2016 (retired)
Salvatore DeLaurentis 2016 present
This is what I have: "On September 14, 1972 Ricca was brought to hospital for treatment of a heart ailment. During his stay in hospital, he was often visited by Accardo and Gus Alex but after almost a month, on October 11, 1972, Ricca died of a heart attack in his sleep at the Presbyterian St. Luke’s hospital. The last individual who saw him alive was Joey Glimco."
And this: http://www.nytimes.com/1972/10/12/archi ... icago.html
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What time was that? I though that during the mid 70's Tommy Russo possibly became some sort of a crew boss with the Bastones, Albert Meo, Allen Rothman and William Pappas beneath him and maybe some other guys. He even had his own headquarters the Palmetto Restaurant on the northwest corner of 17th Avenue and 22nd Street in Broadview.
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
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Russo worked with Hy Larner until he left the country. After that, he worked under Aiuppa.
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Yes you're right about that and i also believe that Russo was direct with Aiuppa, since the old man advised everyone to contact him at Russos place which in fact was their one time main meeting place. In addition, Larner left the country somewhere at the same time with Giancana or during the late 60s and he still was considered some sort of crew boss who by the mid 70s was replaced with Russo, since Larner spent most of the time in Panama, but still he remained as one of the main connections from the outside until the late 80s i think.
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
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With LE labeling Ricca, Accardo and Aiuppa Consigliere kind of always makes Outfit leadership chart more difficult I think. Because like Snakes said they probably didn't use that terminology. Calebrese identified Accardo as a retired former boss. The younger made members and associates in my opinion didn't know Accardo was the man. I think LE used the label Consigliere because of the New York Family structure. And maybe they changed, because they never labeled DiFronzo or Delaurentis Consigliere. They described Tornabene, Lombardo, and DiAmico as Consigliere and I don't believe they were ever top boss. In fact Accardo was called that when Ricca was still top boss.
Re: Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017
With LE labeling Ricca, Accardo and Aiuppa Consigliere kind of always makes Outfit leadership chart more difficult I think. Because like Snakes said they probably didn't use that terminology. Calebrese identified Accardo as a retired former boss. The younger made members and associates in my opinion didn't know Accardo was the man. I think LE used the label Consigliere because of the New York Family structure. And maybe they changed, because they never labeled DiFronzo or Delaurentis Consigliere. They described Tornabene, Lombardo, and DiAmico as Consigliere and I don't believe they were ever top boss. In fact Accardo was called that when Ricca was still top boss.
Re: Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017
Frank wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:28 am With LE labeling Ricca, Accardo and Aiuppa Consigliere kind of always makes Outfit leadership chart more difficult I think. Because like Snakes said they probably didn't use that terminology. Calebrese identified Accardo as a retired former boss. The younger made members and associates in my opinion didn't know Accardo was the man. I think LE used the label Consigliere because of the New York Family structure. And maybe they changed, because they never labeled DiFronzo or Delaurentis Consigliere. They described Tornabene, Lombardo, and DiAmico as Consigliere and I don't believe they were ever top boss. In fact Accardo was called that when Ricca was still top boss.
It is possible that the top boss always had one top member who was one step bellow him and that same individual was usually a semi-retired or long time senior member. For example when they got out of jail, Ricca took that position since he previously was the top guy while Campagna became the top boss since he previously held the boss or chief executive position. Same thing when Campagna died, Ricca was brought back to the top while the boss Accardo took Riccas place as number two or senior adviser and Giancana became the boss. And this is well documented from hidden wiretaps and fbi records, meaning Accardo advised Giancana on certain matters and Ricca joined him during commission problems or decisions.
Things changed a little bit during the late 80s and early 90s, when the top boss Aiuppa was imprisoned and also later joined by Carlisi as imprisoned boss. So thats when two imprisoned capos, Lombardo and LaPietra got released whose organization was already taken by their underlings and so the only thing for those two fellas was to share the number two spot until one of them died later and Lombardo continued as single number 2 until his imprisonment, mostly because his seniority over the rest of the administration. I think that the same thing goes for D'Amico, as for Tornabene he was also the boss or chief executive (just to label him) previous of becoming the number 2 or senior adviser until his death
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
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In addition, as for the rest of the guys, it simply goes down the scale...just look at the chart
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
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We also have to consider the time frame when the Chi mob was no longer considered as commission faction...which i believe somehow affected on their administration such as imprisoned and later free capos taking adviser roles
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
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According to Mike Magnifichi he drove Cerone to a meeting after the Big Paulie Castelano hit. He IDed The Chin and Salerno there. Said Cerone said Chicago definitely wasn't happy with what happened and voiced their displeasure.
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Yeah but I think that by the early 90's Chicago was already removed from the commission
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
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I think that they are technically still part of the Commission but since they are the only functioning family left in the west they are basically left on their own. There isn't as much LCN oversight in national labor organizations, either, and whatever is left over is dominated by the big NY families.