Scarfo Jr's relationship with Philly?

[Stroccos]

You were specifically "told" that Caravaggio wasn't made? Picasso used to say that on the old board but I'm not going into that.

I have had trouble finding any confirmation that Caravaggio was made myself, but Pogo had him on the list. He does seem to have been supervising NJ rackets by the mid-90s, but he could have been an associate at the time. The 2004 report has Carlo Taccetta operating on behalf of Caravaggio but doesn't specify ranks. Caravaggio died this past July, by the way.

Maybe someone can find something from DeFede or someone saying who the supposed NJ member inducted in 1996 was. It wasn't Scarfo, Ralph Perna, the Perna sons, or Carlo Taccetta. Other members like Accardi, Giglio, and Suppa were already made and not sure if they were even active/around by then. Caravaggio is busted in 1997 with what seems to be a supervisory role over Lucchese NJ rackets. With the 1996 induction, having a ceremony to induct just one NJ member following a mass defection/incarceration of the crew's leadership points to this new member being made out of necessity in some kind of supervisory/caretaker role. Not saying it's definitely Caravaggio or that Caravaggio was 100% made, but he fits the circumstances.

I believe they were busted in 1995 but not indicted until 97 , Could it be possible bucky was made to help ensure he didn’t cooperate or maybe someone else was made to bill the void

[B.]

He's one of the top candidates but he may not have been made until later or not at all. That crew had other guys like Cataldo and Spagnola who were major players close to the top for decades and never made, too. Would also be good to know if there was actually a NJ crew during most of the 90s. D'Arco said they were put with his crew, but then D'Arco flipped and most of the NJ guys were off the streets by the mid-90s. Even if they made Caravaggio or another "caretaker" in the mid-late 90s, they may have continued to report to an NY crew. The 2000s is when they decided to give NJ a push again, maybe because enough time had passed from the major issues going on with that crew in the 80s/early 90s.

[Rocco]

He's one of the top candidates but he may not have been made until later or not at all. That crew had other guys like Cataldo and Spagnola who were major players close to the top for decades and never made, too. Would also be good to know if there was actually a NJ crew during most of the 90s. D'Arco said they were put with his crew, but then D'Arco flipped and most of the NJ guys were off the streets by the mid-90s. Even if they made Caravaggio or another "caretaker" in the mid-late 90s, they may have continued to report to an NY crew. The 2000s is when they decided to give NJ a push again, maybe because enough time had passed from the major issues going on with that crew in the 80s/early 90s.

Spagnola and Caravaggio were Taccetta guys. When the Perna faction became more powerful and the main earners for NJ these two disappeared. Bucky has been in bad health for at least a decade. Not sure if he is even alive. Spags took his business elsewhere to the Genovese crews in NJ. For a good part of the 90s Mike Taccetta tried to hold on to power but lost it in the late 90s completely. He now lives in a 55 and older in Toms River. I am not sure whats going on there or where Mike T fits in with Mike P sitting in Belleville.

[Rocco]

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That's is still a stretch that he was looking to be released from the Lucchese family. We have no wire tap where Scarfo is asking to be released from the Lucchese family. If that were the case his father was doing time with Amuso and could have had Amuso send word to release Scarfo Jr. I think its over reaching by LE to suggest this with no evidence or wiretaps from anyone in the crew that he was looking to be released from the Luccheses. All they had was him looking to move to FL and asking permission to do so. This is a wire tap from Lil Joes phone talking to his brother John. No reference to him looking to be released. Over reaching on LE part there.

[Wiseguy]

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That's is still a stretch that he was looking to be released from the Lucchese family. We have no wire tap where Scarfo is asking to be released from the Lucchese family. If that were the case his father was doing time with Amuso and could have had Amuso send word to release Scarfo Jr. I think its over reaching by LE to suggest this with no evidence or wiretaps from anyone in the crew that he was looking to be released from the Luccheses. All they had was him looking to move to FL and asking permission to do so. This is a wire tap from Lil Joes phone talking to his brother John. No reference to him looking to be released. Over reaching on LE part there.

The info came from the conversation between Scarfo and Perna at a rest stop overheard by a nearby undercover investigator who was listening to them.

That said, I found the request strange too given what has been pointed out about him giving up protection from the Lucchese family and returning to the same people who tried to take him out in the first place.

[SonnyBlackstein]

The info came from the conversation between Scarfo and Perna at a rest stop overheard by a nearby undercover investigator who was listening to them.

Yeah I call bullshit on that one. A 'rest stop', 'overheard,' by an undercover 'investigator'? Nope, not buying.

That's is still a stretch that he was looking to be released from the Lucchese family. We have no wire tap where Scarfo is asking to be released from the Lucchese family. If that were the case his father was doing time with Amuso and could have had Amuso send word to release Scarfo Jr. I think its over reaching by LE to suggest this with no evidence or wiretaps from anyone in the crew that he was looking to be released from the Luccheses. All they had was him looking to move to FL and asking permission to do so. This is a wire tap from Lil Joes phone talking to his brother John. No reference to him looking to be released. Over reaching on LE part there.

Good post. +1.

[B.]

I'm having trouble finding the actual quote, but either an article or the indictment had transcripts of conversations between the Scarfos where Nicky Sr. talked about how Jr. "belonged" in the Philly area, something along those lines. Maybe someone else remembers -- Scarfo talks in the third person which is great.

Scarfo Jr. reached out to a number of Philly members/associates. Whether he was looking to recruit them into the Luccheses or trying to get them to back his return/takeover of Philly who knows, but it shows that he was looking to meddle in Philly family affairs. What kind of incentive these guys would have to actually back the Scarfos is another question. Scarfo had money to throw around, so maybe that was a factor. Joe Grande was said to still be loyal to Scarfo Sr. after all of those years in prison, so maybe the Scarfos' plan wasn't as crazy as it sounds. There is probably more to it than we know.

Some people on here tend to challenge almost everything they can, but it's not unreasonable to me that Scarfo was looking to "transfer" back to Philly one way or another when you look at everything he was doing at the time.

[Rocco]

transfers are extremely rare.. almost as remote as the possibility of Scarfo Jr becoming boss of Philly. lol Was he looking to operate on Phillys turf and steal business from them. Absolutely.

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

"Was he looking to operate on Phillys turf and steal business from them. Absolutely."
+1

[NJShore4Life]

Scarfo Jr grew up in Ducktown AC and I feel like he always just wanted to be there. Ducktown section of AC was once a very close knit Italian community when he was growing up. The old time Italian Ducktown residents are now out in the suburbs like Linwood, Egg Harbor Twp, Brigantine, Ventnor, Longport, etc. I just feel like Scarfo Jr was always the most comfortable in the AC area. He once even owned a restaurant in Ventnor in the mid 1990s

[Philly d]

I am confused about Nicky Scarfo Jr. I may have read this wrong. But on one hand you have Nicky asking for release from the Luchese to go back to Philly. Which they refuse. But then we have meetings where the Brunos want the Lucheses to shelve Nicky? Which they refuse, but demote him. Why not just release him (per his request) and let Philly do their thing (per their request)?

[NJShore4Life]

I'm no lawyer, but does anyone else think that Nicky Jr has a somewhat decent shot of getting his sentence reduced via appeal? 30 years for white collar crimes seems pretty harsh..Yes I know he has two previous Federal Convictions

[Cheech]

I'm no lawyer, but does anyone else think that Nicky Jr has a somewhat decent shot of getting his sentence reduced via appeal? 30 years for white collar crimes seems pretty harsh..Yes I know he has two previous Federal Convictions

is he appealing?

[NJShore4Life]

Heard he was from someone who was friends with Nicky Jr from the shore. They all always appeal anyways until they cant.

[Confederate]

I'm no lawyer, but does anyone else think that Nicky Jr has a somewhat decent shot of getting his sentence reduced via appeal? 30 years for white collar crimes seems pretty harsh..Yes I know he has two previous Federal Convictions

Appeals based upon the severity of a sentence rarely succeed. His Attorney would have to demonstrate the sentence handed down was an extreme departure from other sentences in a similar circumstance also taking into consideration of the 2 previous Federal Convictions. He would have to show that the Judge had some kind of bias in sentencing which would be very difficult to prove. In sentencing, the Judge usually states the evidence used at Trial in open Court for the reason of the length of the sentence imposed upon the Defendant. Without reading the Court Transcripts of what the Judge gave as his reasons for the 30 years sentence in open Court, it is impossible to give an intelligent opinion.