Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017

[Confederate]

@Snakes
Where are your charts located on this Forum? Do they have pictures? From what years?
I did not see it under Mafia Charts? maybe I missed it .

[Pete]

Demaris's book was contemporary in nature and lacked some of the sources we now use to construct the Outfit's makeup in that time period. With that said, he still wrote an excellent book.

As for the sixties charts, I made one with input from that fraud Chicago and then another without him which (not surprisingly) is much more accurate, although I'd need to make some revisions to it because I made it a couple of years ago.

Was Chicago the same guy as fratto?

[Snakes]

No

[Villain]

Chicago was the guy who claimed that Chuckie English was his father but instead it came out be the love from his fantasies

[Snakes]

Yes, apparently it was a "joke" but only after someone pointed out that English had no sons. Even then he tried to keep up the charade for a bit.

[Camo]

I know nothing about Chicago so i was admittedly taken in by some of his stuff on GBB. Not the Chuckie English thing but i did believe alot of what he said about the structure and various crew leaders and i'm probably more confused about Chicago now because of that lol. Also no way was that a joke Chicago joined GBB under a different name and was quickly banned for starting the Chicago vs New York crap then he came back shortly after as Chicago and had completely changed his tune. He was now Chucky English' son and was now sure that the Outfit were just about finished as according to him everyone had went legit, he also said Grand Ave was dead i believe before the info on them came out a few years back.

Think he's a prime example of someone who clearly knew stuff about an area and was allowed to take it too far through no one challenging him for ages leading to him confusing the narrative for us casual Chicago followers.

[Villain]

I think something that was interesting to me was that Aiuppa wanted to take over Cleveland around 1982-1985 time period after Cleveland was pretty much decimated. He didn't obviously, but he was having some trouble of his own if I remember. There was some law enforcement testimony to a Congressional Committee about it in 1980's.

Story goes that Aiuppa heard about the indictments in 1983 and so before they were released, the street taxes which were paid by bookmakers to operate in the Chicago area were increased from 15 to 25%, which obviously resulted with the violent deaths of some of the guys, including the 1984 murder of one of their prime bookmakers Lenny Yaras, Dave's son. So even if the story was true, still he didnt posses enough time to complete the alleged project. Also dont forget that the Outfit was still a power during Aiuppa's reign as boss

[Snakes]

I don't know if he ever tried to take over Cleveland. They were aligned with the Genovese Family whom Chicago was traditionally close with.

[Frank]

I don't know if he ever tried to take over Cleveland. They were aligned with the Genovese Family whom Chicago was traditionally close with.

Maybe it was that he wanted to control who they installed as boss in Cleveland.

[Snakes]

They did get into a dispute over who was going to take over the Teamsters.

[Villain]

I don't know if he ever tried to take over Cleveland. They were aligned with the Genovese Family whom Chicago was traditionally close with.

That's right and there's no point in it

[Villain]

Also I dont believe in the myth that the whole basic Cosa Nostra thing started with Aiuppa, since he was the last one in the organization who would've thrown out the non-Italians from the Outfit and we have many evidences to support this. The problem was that after Alex and the German, there was no other high level non-Italian member who wouldve replaced them two. For example guys like Alex and Patrick were involved in syndicate matters since the 1930s until the late 1980s and the German continued that tradition until his imprisonment

[Snakes]

People think that the "traditional" ceremony started with him but that's only because there has been only one made guy in the Outfit's history to testify in detail about one. Also, as we have seen from several other families thanks to B, JD, and others, the Outfit was not the only family to eschew certain elements from the ceremony or utilize a simplified version of one.

[FriendofFamily]

I don't know if he ever tried to take over Cleveland. They were aligned with the Genovese Family whom Chicago was traditionally close with.

When Aiuppa was interested in Cleveland I think someone told him that they were going with their own guy - Joe "Loose" Iacobucci. But I believe Chicago was helping Joe Loose somehow I wish I could remember where I put that document. Stroccos on the Board here still communicates with Joe Loose now and then. Maybe you could get it more directly that way.

[Pete]

People think that the "traditional" ceremony started with him but that's only because there has been only one made guy in the Outfit's history to testify in detail about one. Also, as we have seen from several other families thanks to B, JD, and others, the Outfit was not the only family to eschew certain elements from the ceremony or utilize a simplified version of one.

I don't think that's the only reason people think it started with aiuppa. Other reasons would be roemer who almost certainly had an informant that was made said there was no traditional ceremony and also things said by giancana and others of it being stupid or whatever. I don't know either way but all we know really are the two nick talked about, 83 and 88, the one in 89 that solly d was made at, and the ones mags discussed with fosco supposedly. We don't know of any for sure before 83