Barney Miranda

[Frank]

Also on the BH family lineage chart it was left at four different names being consigliere at that time period Salerno Gigante Ferro or Alongi. Different possibilities because the informants from the 1970s all have a different leadership scenario.

[HairyKnuckles]

Buster was very close to Miranda and may have been directly assaigned to him after Miranda's huge crew was split up. He succeeded him as consigliere after his death and was part of a ruling panel when Tieri was indicted and ill. The story goes that Ardito was a very bad man, disliked and not particulary popular with the troops. A man that was only out for himself. He was demoted from his consigliere position sometime in the late 1970s but rose again to a rank of caporegime in the 1990s.

I thought Salerno succeeded Miranda as Consiglieri?


Pogo

Not according to FBI reports. I've posted snippets from them but not sure if those snippets can be viewed any more. I was forced to change image hosting site some time ago. But I'm sure you've seen it. Anyway, by Feb 1978, Salerno was the consigliere and Gigante the underboss. That's from JD.

Who was boss by Feb 1978 Tieri or Lombardo or both

I don't wish to derail B's thread but to answer your question, Tieri was the boss from around 1973 until he was taken down in 1981. You can probably find the threads where we discussed this. One of them is the "I almost hat to say it"-thread.

[Pogo The Clown]

Not according to FBI reports. I've posted snippets from them but not sure if those snippets can be viewed any more. I was forced to change image hosting site some time ago. But I'm sure you've seen it. Anyway, by Feb 1978, Salerno was the consigliere and Gigante the underboss. That's from JD.

Thanks. So Salerno succeeded Ardito or was Ferro in between them? Also I thought Salerno was UnderBoss in 1978 (with Sally Palmieri as Acting UnderBoss for a period)?
Thanks.

Also on the BH family lineage chart it was left at four different names being consigliere at that time period Salerno Gigante Ferro or Alongi. Different possibilities because the informants from the 1970s all have a different leadership scenario.

Yeah that 70s period is really confusing in regards to the administration.


Pogo

[HairyKnuckles]

Also on the BH family lineage chart it was left at four different names being consigliere at that time period Salerno Gigante Ferro or Alongi. Different possibilities because the informants from the 1970s all have a different leadership scenario.

Cafaro is the only one who claimed Ferro was consigliere and Lombardo the boss. But his info is extremely dubious. Multiple sources throughout the 1970s claim Ardito and Tieri.

[HairyKnuckles]

Not according to FBI reports. I've posted snippets from them but not sure if those snippets can be viewed any more. I was forced to change image hosting site some time ago. But I'm sure you've seen it. Anyway, by Feb 1978, Salerno was the consigliere and Gigante the underboss. That's from JD.

Thanks. So Salerno succeeded Ardito or was Ferro in between them? Also I thought Salerno was UnderBoss in 1978 (with Sally Palmieri as Acting UnderBoss for a period)?
Thanks.

Also on the BH family lineage chart it was left at four different names being consigliere at that time period Salerno Gigante Ferro or Alongi. Different possibilities because the informants from the 1970s all have a different leadership scenario.

Yeah that 70s period is really confusing in regards to the administration.


Pogo

Ferro was likely just acting skipper at the time and never higher up than that. Why Cafaro said he was the consigliere is still a mystery to me.

[Frank]

Ok thanks Buddy I think most of us have accepted the facts of Tieri being boss,just thought there might be new info. I think you had plenty of facts that Tieri was boss.

[B.]

Here is some info I recently found from around this period (1974), some of it backs up what HK has posted about:

-Frank Tieri is the boss, but due to several major surgical operations and illnessess, his ability to run the family was extremely limited. It was believed he also voluntarily stepped back due to all of the attention LE was giving him.

- Due to the above, a ruling panel with underboss Eli Zeccardi, consigliere John Ardito, and Dominick Alongi were running the family. Ardito was described as being very close with Mike Miranda and seems to have replaced him.

- In winter of 1974, St. Louis boss Tony Giordano visited the east coast where he met with Gambino consigliere Joe Gallo, Colombo underboss Abbatemarco, and Phil Lombardo, ID'd on the report as a Genovese capo. So at the very least, Lombardo was still allowed to represent the administration at this time.

- Jerry Catena, still incarcerated at this time, had retired and stepped back entirely from a leadership position.

- Captains Antonio Carillo and Angelo DeCarlo had died during the previous year and had not been officially replaced yet. The report doesn't say it, but we know Carillo helped run the family during the 1960s in some kind of unofficial capacity.

- The structure of the organization is listed as follows:
Boss - Frank Tieri
Former boss - Gerardo Catena (incarcerated)
Underboss - Eli Zeccardi
Consigliere - John Ardito
Captains:
Vincent Alo
Ruggiero Boiardo
Peter DeFeo
Pasquale Eboli
Gus Frasca
Vincenzo Generoso (retired)
Thomas Greco
Harry Lanza
Joseph Lapi
Peter LaPlaca
Philip Lombardo
(There are two additional redacted names; these likely correspond to other info in the same report that says two individuals were recently promoted to captain. Note that they were not made captains of the Carillo/DeCarlo crews.)

[Pogo The Clown]

(There are two additional redacted names; these likely correspond to other info in the same report that says two individuals were recently promoted to captain. Note that they were not made captains of the Carillo/DeCarlo crews.)

The two redacted could be Matteo “Matty Brown” Fortunato and Salvatore “Big Nose” Cufari who were Capos during this period. Thanks again for posting all of this info,


Pogo

[Frank]

Here is some info I recently found from around this period (1974), some of it backs up what HK has posted about:

-Frank Tieri is the boss, but due to several major surgical operations and illnessess, his ability to run the family was extremely limited. It was believed he also voluntarily stepped back due to all of the attention LE was giving him.

- Due to the above, a ruling panel with underboss Eli Zeccardi, consigliere John Ardito, and Dominick Alongi were running the family. Ardito was described as being very close with Mike Miranda and seems to have replaced him.

- In winter of 1974, St. Louis boss Tony Giordano visited the east coast where he met with Gambino consigliere Joe Gallo, Colombo underboss Abbatemarco, and Phil Lombardo, ID'd on the report as a Genovese capo. So at the very least, Lombardo was still allowed to represent the administration at this time.

- Jerry Catena, still incarcerated at this time, had retired and stepped back entirely from a leadership position.

- Captains Antonio Carillo and Angelo DeCarlo had died during the previous year and had not been officially replaced yet. The report doesn't say it, but we know Carillo helped run the family during the 1960s in some kind of unofficial capacity.

- The structure of the organization is listed as follows:
Boss - Frank Tieri
Former boss - Gerardo Catena (incarcerated)
Underboss - Eli Zeccardi
Consigliere - John Ardito
Captains:
Vincent Alo
Ruggiero Boiardo
Peter DeFeo
Pasquale Eboli
Gus Frasca
Vincenzo Generoso (retired)
Thomas Greco
Harry Lanza
Joseph Lapi
Peter LaPlaca
Philip Lombardo
(There are two additional redacted names; these likely correspond to other info in the same report that says two individuals were recently promoted to captain. Note that they were not made captains of the Carillo/DeCarlo crews.)

Yes that is some good info and it backs up HK info of Tieri being boss.

[HairyKnuckles]

Ianniello is probably the one who took over the guys once under Carillo somtime in 1974. Not sure why he is not on list. And Tieri's guy Tommy Lombardi took over his old crew plus the ones formerly under DeCarlo. Pasquale Eboli was demoted right after his brother's murder and replaced by Gigante and Alongi (probably co-captains or they took turns heading that crew). Not exactly sure why Eboli is on the list.

B, note that the names are placed in alphabetical order. So the two redacted names could very well be Gigante and Lombardi. (I have the same report.)

And like Pogo said, Cufari should be on the list. Fortunato possibly too. He was later identified in a goverment report as the Family's Florida captain.

[SILENT PARTNERZ]

Only 13 0r 14 Genovese captains in 1974? Seems like a low number of captains.
Wouldn't they have had around 20 something?

[Frank]

What ever happened to Barney Miranda, I would assume he is dead by now. Did he lose influence in the family when Mike Miranda died??

[Wiseguy]

Only 13 0r 14 Genovese captains in 1974? Seems like a low number of captains.
Wouldn't they have had around 20 something?

Cafaro testified in 1988 that the family had 14 crews. Would make for larger crews, I guess.

[HairyKnuckles]

What ever happened to Barney Miranda, I would assume he is dead by now. Did he lose influence in the family when Mike Miranda died??

Barney died in 1973.

[Frank]

What ever happened to Barney Miranda, I would assume he is dead by now. Did he lose influence in the family when Mike Miranda died??

Barney died in 1973.

Thanks. Also it appears with you information that Ardito was definitely Consigliere after Miranda, and also briefly on leadership panel. Thanks for that info too. It seems the underboss and Consigliere positions get a little confusing after Ardito stepped down or was removed and the walking of Zeccardi the underboss.