Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017

[Snakes]

I think his dad stayed and lived in Buffalo. I don't think he was a made guy. Carmen was Sam's brother and was probably a made guy but he died fairly young, in the early 70s.

[Pete]

I think his dad stayed and lived in Buffalo. I don't think he was a made guy. Carmen was Sam's brother and was probably a made guy but he died fairly young, in the early 70s.

So your saying in addition to Roy he had another brother named carmen who was possibly made?

[Snakes]

Yes; he had another brother as well but I can't recall his name. Sam was the youngest. One of his brothers was Carmen Sam Carlisi. What made it confusing was that his nickname was also "Black Sam." Obviously, Sam took that nickname later on. Even more confusing was that Al Tornabene's brothers' names were Sam and Roy, too. They were first cousins to the Carlisis.

[Frank]

Speaking of Carlisi, back in 91 and 92 newspaper articles state that he was spending alot of time in Florida. Basically saying he was going to retire. With Nick Calebrese saying that Monteleone succeeded Carlisi,here is my personal opinion on Outfit leadership history. I think when Carlisi was indicted he was replaced by Monteleone. I think DiFronzo actually took the Accardo position, but probably in an acting capacity for Aiuppa and Cerone. When DiFronzo went to prison Addriacchi was acting top boss. But I'm not sure Aiuppa and Cerone held any leadership role due to there age and length of sentence. It's also possible that Carlisi and DiFronzo both moved up to take Accardo's spot as top boss. That is just my personal view going by Calebrese's statement.

[Snakes]

I don't think Nick said Monteleone directly succeeded Carlisi. It was fairly well-documented that DiFronzo was running things when Carlisi was in Florida with Marcello also getting a bump. The indictment says specifically that Accardo, Aiuppa, Carlisi, and Monteleone "among others" were boss of the enterprise during the specified time period. I don't believe they named DiFronzo specifically because (a) he wasn't charged and (b) he was still alive.

With that said, DiFronzo was indicted in 1992 with Carlisi but remained on the streets for another year or so before going to prison. Carlisi was acquitted in that case but convicted in the RICO case he was indicted in later that year. Once DiFronzo got out, he stepped back from active affairs and Monteleone assumed the boss position.

[Frank]

I don't think Nick said Monteleone directly succeeded Carlisi. It was fairly well-documented that DiFronzo was running things when Carlisi was in Florida with Marcello also getting a bump. The indictment says specifically that Accardo, Aiuppa, Carlisi, and Monteleone "among others" were boss of the enterprise during the specified time period. I don't believe they named DiFronzo specifically because (a) he wasn't charged and (b) he was still alive.

With that said, DiFronzo was indicted in 1992 with Carlisi but remained on the streets for another year or so before going to prison. Carlisi was acquitted in that case but convicted in the RICO case he was indicted in later that year. Once DiFronzo got out, he stepped back from active affairs and Monteleone assumed the boss position.

Ok I assumed he meant Monteleone immediately replaced Carlisi. Ok that makes sense. Addriacchi was acting for DiFronzo. Then Monteleone.

[Snakes]

That's the general assumption. Remember, Monteleone was under Jimmy LaPietra until Jimmy died of cancer in '93. So, Monteleone basically went from being #2 on the South Side to boss of the whole Outfit in less than two years, but that's just how bare the cupboard was as far as leadership was concerned at the time.

[Frank]

That's the general assumption. Remember, Monteleone was under Jimmy LaPietra until Jimmy died of cancer in '93. So, Monteleone basically went from being #2 on the South Side to boss of the whole Outfit in less than two years, but that's just how bare the cupboard was as far as leadership was concerned at the time.

The more I think about it wouldn't you think that DiFronzo and Lombardo we're basically the new Ricca and Accardo?. Lombardo is a wild card in all this. But then we can't forget Aiuppa and Cerone.

[Snakes]

Lombardo and LaPietra had to take back seats almost by necessity. They had just finished up long bids and their parole restrictions were pretty strict. That's why Lombardo stayed around his neighborhood and LaPietra mostly hung out at his house or the Italian social club. They couldn't afford to violate their parole and get caught with Outfit street guys so they had to keep a very low profile.

[Pete]

That's the general assumption. Remember, Monteleone was under Jimmy LaPietra until Jimmy died of cancer in '93. So, Monteleone basically went from being #2 on the South Side to boss of the whole Outfit in less than two years, but that's just how bare the cupboard was as far as leadership was concerned at the time.

Right it shows you how the government effected the outfit. The best guys for the job difronzo and andriacchi didn't want it because they didn't wanna end up like aiuppa, cerone, carlisi, and what ended up happening to marcello. Johnny apes was just a guy. You'll never get another ricca or accardo the guys that are that smart are too smart to take the job. Harry Aleman talked about it in the interview he did from prison guys like that would never become outfit guys now. Anyone that hasn't read that check it out. It's a good read

[Pete]

Lombardo and LaPietra had to take back seats almost by necessity. They had just finished up long bids and their parole restrictions were pretty strict. That's why Lombardo stayed around his neighborhood and LaPietra mostly hung out at his house or the Italian social club. They couldn't afford to violate their parole and get caught with Outfit street guys so they had to keep a very low profile.

I've never been able to figure out the clowns exact role. He was obviously still involved he had spina driving him around on city time cuz spina had no record. There really was no evidence though that he was a boss or anything really. To convict him of rico the only thing they had to point to his involvement in the previous 5 years was a few comments he supposedly made to pat spilotro. I really thought he had a chance with a withdrawal defense but his defense was shit to say the least. Never should have got on the stand either.

[Villain]

In one of my previous posts I asked if we should consider Lombardo's role in the Outfit after his release from prison, and I agree with Snakes regarding him and LaPietra since neither of them were previously on the boss position, except for being crew bosses, who possibly advised from time to time the newly made captains. I think it was Calabrese that said something like LaPietra was constantly siting in the corner of some bar and nervously looked at people adn thought that everyone was a rat or something like that

[Pete]

In one of my previous posts I asked if we should consider Lombardo's role in the Outfit after his release from prison, and I agree with Snakes regarding him and LaPietra since neither of them were previously on the boss position, except for being crew bosses, who possibly advised from time to time the newly made captains. I think it was Calabrese that said something like LaPietra was constantly siting in the corner of some bar and nervously looked at people adn thought that everyone was a rat or something like that

That info about lapietra came from scalise when he got busted a few years ago trying to break into lapietras house. Came from the wiretaps of that bust. Lapietra was dead though by the time he got off parole I believe or close to it. The clown was off parole and able to associate after a certain point. Supposedly he was involved in the meeting about the rosemont casino which would indicate he was in some sort of position. He almost certainly at least took his crew back over and gave orders through guys like spina with no record. Joey was not a guy to retire to Florida which he could have done. There's a reason he stayed around in my opinion. Numerous LE sources also had him in a high ranking position during the late 90's early 2000's. Most charts had difronzo andriacchi and the clown as the three top guys. Probably never know for sure unless we get some insider info at some point and I wouldn't be surprised either way

[Villain]

In one of my previous posts I asked if we should consider Lombardo's role in the Outfit after his release from prison, and I agree with Snakes regarding him and LaPietra since neither of them were previously on the boss position, except for being crew bosses, who possibly advised from time to time the newly made captains. I think it was Calabrese that said something like LaPietra was constantly siting in the corner of some bar and nervously looked at people adn thought that everyone was a rat or something like that

That info about lapietra came from scalise when he got busted a few years ago trying to break into lapietras house. Came from the wiretaps of that bust. Lapietra was dead though by the time he got off parole I believe or close to it. The clown was off parole and able to associate after a certain point. Supposedly he was involved in the meeting about the rosemont casino which would indicate he was in some sort of position. He almost certainly at least took his crew back over and gave orders through guys like spina with no record. Joey was not a guy to retire to Florida which he could have done. There's a reason he stayed around in my opinion. Numerous LE sources also had him in a high ranking position during the late 90's early 2000's. Most charts had difronzo andriacchi and the clown as the three top guys. Probably never know for sure unless we get some insider info at some point and I wouldn't be surprised either way

Thanks for the correction man and yeah now i remember since i wrote about it in my burglary business article. So do you think that he was possibly brought back as a crew boss of one of the most powerful factions at the time, who operated from the background and also had some adviser role?

[Snakes]

I don't think Lombardo had a defined role. He was a very powerful guy who had a direct line to DiFronzo and Andriacchi and probably ran his crew through deputies like Cozzo and/or Vena with Spina as a go-between.

Pete also brings up a good point about DiFronzo and Andriacchi. Frank Sr. told his son on the prison tapes that Johnny "didn't even want it [the boss position]... he inherited it." Then he goes on to talk about how it was funny that he went away because he had all this legit money but that he still ran things through Andriacchi when he got out (this would be 1993-1994). He also talks about how Andriacchi had beef with Monteleone because he felt he shouldn't be getting involved in West Side affairs (Cicero, Melrose Park, etc.). Some of the talks are confusing because "Johnny" and "Joey" are the names of probably the top four guys in the Outfit at the time (DiFronzo, Monteleone, Andriacchi, Lombardo) but there are a few subtle clues that let you know who Frank is specifically referring to.