Present Day Chicago Outfit

[Snakes]

He testified at the trial. He would have done time for perjury if he didn't.

[Frank]

Ok than how does that affect his standing in the Outfit??

[Snakes]

I think he got a pass. No honor among thieves so I don't think they cared about hanging Ambrose out to dry. But who knows. I don't think his testimony was the clincher for Ambrose's conviction. He was pretty much sunk anyway. John Matassa has known him since they were young so whate very was done was probably approved by him since Marcello was away.

[Frank]

Ok thanks with Ambrose not being a member and being on LE side he received a pass.

[Confederate]

They have had high level informants for years. These same two informants were known of as far back as the nineties so it isn't like this is some new revelation.

Every family has at least one guy feeding info to law enforcement.

Never said it was a new revelation. But if you were to notice, the 90's was DEVASTATING to the Outfit. The Feds have never said there were two high level informants about the any of the New York 5 for example feeding them info for 25 years. They ONLY came out and said it about Chicago. Besides, those families are much bigger. Big difference between a 20 man Family and a 200 man Family. the 200 man Family is much harder to dismantle.
Any new members Sarno supposedly made are probably low class wiggers. If you recall, Sarno used Bikers for the bombings he ordered. The lower level Cicero guys seem to be low quality like that idiot Carparelli. LOL
You can downplay it all you want, but the Future of the Outfit does not look good.

[Frank]

Tell Sallet that.

[Snakes]

I never said the future was bright. Rather the opposite. I think you're just overstating the importance of the informants.

[Confederate]

Somebody better tell Sallet the Outfit is dead because it's just all old guys now and no major indictments lately.

Basically correct. The Outfit is on its last leg. Sallett is there to put the final nails in the Coffin.

[Confederate]

I think it's trickier to tell the state of the Outfit because a lot of their operations are in the suburbs now, where the police aren't as numerous or able to effectively deal with criminal activities. I believe there is still a lot of corruption going on at the local government level that affords protection for what's left of the Outfit. Obviously, it's not as prevalent as it was in the past but I think it's still around. I don't know how much attention the FBI in Chicago has paid to ethnic street gangs but perhaps that's where a lot of their current investigations are focused. Maybe Sallet has received intelligence that the Outfit has some major rackets going on that have been neglected by his office in the past few years, although I don't want to do disservice to the agents if that is not the case.

The Police don't care about Outfit rackets. The Feds are the ones who care and being in the suburbs or city absolutely doesn't matter to them.

[Snakes]

I like how you come along and ask a ton of questions when you first joined but now all of a sudden, you're an Outfit expert. The FBI works together with with police and other local law enforcement. The feds have limited staff and they use intel from local cops to assist them in their cases. Why do you think the Outfit has/had them on their payroll? It's not a huge part of the investigation but it's there.

[Pete]

He testified at the trial. He would have done time for perjury if he didn't.

He testified but almost all his answers regarding current outfit guys or his brother were I don't recall or I'm not sure. The only thing he said against anyone current I believe was that pudgy was his contact in regards to Ambrose. He had no info about Ambrose that wasn't hearsay because he never met with Ambrose.

[Snakes]

Yeah, Matassa was the main contact with Ambrose. Why he wasn't called to testify, I do not know.

[Confederate]

I like how you come along and ask a ton of questions when you first joined but now all of a sudden, you're an Outfit expert. The FBI works together with with police and other local law enforcement. The feds have limited staff and they use intel from local cops to assist them in their cases. Why do you think the Outfit has/had them on their payroll? It's not a huge part of the investigation but it's there.

Sounds like you're upset. LOL
Maybe I know more about the LE side plus I have read and researched a lot over the last few months. Is that okay with you or are you the only Outfit expert on all aspects of everything?
From what I know, the Police don't cooperate or interact much with the Feds. Sometimes the Feds investigate the Police. If you think the Feds are USING the local suburb Police to help them investigate the Outfit, on that level, you don't know what you're talking about because it doesn't work that way. The Feds keep their investigations private. They would never involve the Police while they are gathering information because the Police would tell the Outfit.

[Pete]

Somebody better tell Sallet the Outfit is dead because it's just all old guys now and no major indictments lately.

Basically correct. The Outfit is on its last leg. Sallett is there to put the final nails in the Coffin.

The outfit has been steady at its reduced membership for quite awhile. the outfit is definitely not "all old guys". They have guys involved in a wide range of ages especially guys in their 40's and 50's which is not old for a wise guy and these guys will be the next batch of leaders. Leadership is getting up there but that's normal. If sallet had some major prosecutions against grand avenue and Cicero it could maybe get close to being on its last legs but as stated
They've been steady for many years so without some major cases they will continue to be steady. There has actually been quite a few indictments coming down in the last years so the cases are there. There hasn't been any major indictments recently but the cases against fratto, matassa, carparelli, Mickey Davis, panozzo, koroluk, hollinghead, chucky Russell etc shows they are still active and commiting crimes. Last major fed indictment was sarno which was a decent amount of time time ago. As I said I bet there's something coming for vena pretty soon we will see though

[Snakes]

Ok, whatever. I have numerous files with the FBI using police officers as sources of information so believe what you want to believe. Strike forces and task forces are almost always composed of a mix of federal and local law enforcement. The CCC gets a lot of their informaton from cops. John Flood, who runs a site with a ton of primary source documents on the Outfit? Ex-local cop.