5 Families Circa 1965

[Raven]

1932 would be great. Then one of the 1950s at their ultimate peak followed by a 1980s one. I wondered what was so special about 1965.

I'd say 1931, 1957 and 1985, all special years.

I would love to see something for the 1950's but it might be hard since the FBI didn't really acknowledge the Mafia's existence until the Apalachin meeting in late 1957.

[Lupara]

1932 would be great. Then one of the 1950s at their ultimate peak followed by a 1980s one. I wondered what was so special about 1965.

I'd say 1931, 1957 and 1985, all special years.

I would love to see something for the 1950's but it might be hard since the FBI didn't really acknowledge the Mafia's existence until the Apalachin meeting in late 1957.

If the guys over here can make one for the early 1900s they can make one of the 1950s.

[Pogo The Clown]

Any year in particular during the 50s that you guys want done?


Pogo

[Angelo Santino]

1932 would be great. Then one of the 1950s at their ultimate peak followed by a 1980s one. I wondered what was so special about 1965.

I'd say 1931, 1957 and 1985, all special years.

I would love to see something for the 1950's but it might be hard since the FBI didn't really acknowledge the Mafia's existence until the Apalachin meeting in late 1957.

If the guys over here can make one for the early 1900s they can make one of the 1950s.

Don't bet on it. I was looking at the "5 Families Circa 1930" names and scratching my head saying to myself "Wow, I don't know where half of these fucking people were located." Anything after 1925 I'm pretty much a dog's chew toy, admitably.

I'll do my best for whatever era, but whatever one is chosen needs to be one with information (addresses) and photos (That's why 85 will work) If addresses cannot be obtained we really need a specific area: Red Hook, East Harlem, Gowanus etc.

[Lupara]

1932 would be great. Then one of the 1950s at their ultimate peak followed by a 1980s one. I wondered what was so special about 1965.

I'd say 1931, 1957 and 1985, all special years.

I would love to see something for the 1950's but it might be hard since the FBI didn't really acknowledge the Mafia's existence until the Apalachin meeting in late 1957.

If the guys over here can make one for the early 1900s they can make one of the 1950s.

Don't bet on it. I was looking at the "5 Families Circa 1930" names and scratching my head saying to myself "Wow, I don't know where half of these fucking people were located." Anything after 1925 I'm pretty much a dog's chew toy, admitably.

I'll do my best for whatever era, but whatever one is chosen needs to be one with information (addresses) and photos (That's why 85 will work) If addresses cannot be obtained we really need a specific area: Red Hook, East Harlem, Gowanus etc.

As you said yourself you rely on others for later years. I think HK, Pogo and B. are capable of putting something together. A little educated guesswork doesn't hurt.

[Raven]

1932 would be great. Then one of the 1950s at their ultimate peak followed by a 1980s one. I wondered what was so special about 1965.

I'd say 1931, 1957 and 1985, all special years.

I would love to see something for the 1950's but it might be hard since the FBI didn't really acknowledge the Mafia's existence until the Apalachin meeting in late 1957.

If the guys over here can make one for the early 1900s they can make one of the 1950s.

Don't bet on it. I was looking at the "5 Families Circa 1930" names and scratching my head saying to myself "Wow, I don't know where half of these fucking people were located." Anything after 1925 I'm pretty much a dog's chew toy, admitably.

I'll do my best for whatever era, but whatever one is chosen needs to be one with information (addresses) and photos (That's why 85 will work) If addresses cannot be obtained we really need a specific area: Red Hook, East Harlem, Gowanus etc.

If you do 1985 this may help. Lists all the home addresses in 1983. You may have seen it already. I know it doesn't say where they operated out of but could be of help.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... up;seq=205

[Angelo Santino]

1932 would be great. Then one of the 1950s at their ultimate peak followed by a 1980s one. I wondered what was so special about 1965.

I'd say 1931, 1957 and 1985, all special years.

I would love to see something for the 1950's but it might be hard since the FBI didn't really acknowledge the Mafia's existence until the Apalachin meeting in late 1957.

If the guys over here can make one for the early 1900s they can make one of the 1950s.

Don't bet on it. I was looking at the "5 Families Circa 1930" names and scratching my head saying to myself "Wow, I don't know where half of these fucking people were located." Anything after 1925 I'm pretty much a dog's chew toy, admitably.

I'll do my best for whatever era, but whatever one is chosen needs to be one with information (addresses) and photos (That's why 85 will work) If addresses cannot be obtained we really need a specific area: Red Hook, East Harlem, Gowanus etc.

If you do 1985 this may help. Lists all the home addresses in 1983. You may have seen it already. I know it doesn't say where they operated out of but could be of help.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... up;seq=205

I've never seen this before, I've seen the charts redacted and advertised on eBay but never the entire document. Incredible source of info. Thanks buddy.

[Snakes]

1932 would be great. Then one of the 1950s at their ultimate peak followed by a 1980s one. I wondered what was so special about 1965.

I'd say 1931, 1957 and 1985, all special years.

I would love to see something for the 1950's but it might be hard since the FBI didn't really acknowledge the Mafia's existence until the Apalachin meeting in late 1957.

If the guys over here can make one for the early 1900s they can make one of the 1950s.

Don't bet on it. I was looking at the "5 Families Circa 1930" names and scratching my head saying to myself "Wow, I don't know where half of these fucking people were located." Anything after 1925 I'm pretty much a dog's chew toy, admitably.

I'll do my best for whatever era, but whatever one is chosen needs to be one with information (addresses) and photos (That's why 85 will work) If addresses cannot be obtained we really need a specific area: Red Hook, East Harlem, Gowanus etc.

If you do 1985 this may help. Lists all the home addresses in 1983. You may have seen it already. I know it doesn't say where they operated out of but could be of help.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... up;seq=205

I've never seen this before, I've seen the charts redacted and advertised on eBay but never the entire document. Incredible source of info. Thanks buddy.

CC, the 1988 Subcommittee Hearings ("25 Years After Valachi") also have addresses (for administrations and capos) and birthdates (for all members) if you need to do some cross-referencing:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... 5028778994

[Angelo Santino]

1932 would be great. Then one of the 1950s at their ultimate peak followed by a 1980s one. I wondered what was so special about 1965.

I'd say 1931, 1957 and 1985, all special years.

I would love to see something for the 1950's but it might be hard since the FBI didn't really acknowledge the Mafia's existence until the Apalachin meeting in late 1957.

If the guys over here can make one for the early 1900s they can make one of the 1950s.

Don't bet on it. I was looking at the "5 Families Circa 1930" names and scratching my head saying to myself "Wow, I don't know where half of these fucking people were located." Anything after 1925 I'm pretty much a dog's chew toy, admitably.

I'll do my best for whatever era, but whatever one is chosen needs to be one with information (addresses) and photos (That's why 85 will work) If addresses cannot be obtained we really need a specific area: Red Hook, East Harlem, Gowanus etc.

If you do 1985 this may help. Lists all the home addresses in 1983. You may have seen it already. I know it doesn't say where they operated out of but could be of help.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... up;seq=205

I've never seen this before, I've seen the charts redacted and advertised on eBay but never the entire document. Incredible source of info. Thanks buddy.

CC, the 1988 Subcommittee Hearings ("25 Years After Valachi") also have addresses (for administrations and capos) and birthdates (for all members) if you need to do some cross-referencing:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... 5028778994

I have that in original book form but thank you. Good looking out.

[AlexfromSouth]

1932 would be great. Then one of the 1950s at their ultimate peak followed by a 1980s one. I wondered what was so special about 1965.

I'd say 1931, 1957 and 1985, all special years.

I would love to see something for the 1950's but it might be hard since the FBI didn't really acknowledge the Mafia's existence until the Apalachin meeting in late 1957.

If the guys over here can make one for the early 1900s they can make one of the 1950s.

Don't bet on it. I was looking at the "5 Families Circa 1930" names and scratching my head saying to myself "Wow, I don't know where half of these fucking people were located." Anything after 1925 I'm pretty much a dog's chew toy, admitably.

I'll do my best for whatever era, but whatever one is chosen needs to be one with information (addresses) and photos (That's why 85 will work) If addresses cannot be obtained we really need a specific area: Red Hook, East Harlem, Gowanus etc.

If you do 1985 this may help. Lists all the home addresses in 1983. You may have seen it already. I know it doesn't say where they operated out of but could be of help.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... up;seq=205

I've never seen this before, I've seen the charts redacted and advertised on eBay but never the entire document. Incredible source of info. Thanks buddy.

CC, the 1988 Subcommittee Hearings ("25 Years After Valachi") also have addresses (for administrations and capos) and birthdates (for all members) if you need to do some cross-referencing:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... 5028778994

Snakes from wich page the adresses start?

[Snakes]

Page 914. They only give addresses for the admins and the capos.

[Angelo Santino]

Page 914. They only give addresses for the admins and the capos.

Now- Thanks to Raven- I'm interested in making a 1983 chart. Pogo probably wants to bury me up to my head in his yard and then mow his lawn and I couldn't fault him.

With 1983, we have a list of every made guy with addresses. I wonder if we could break them down into crews as well as list social clubs at the time? Photos would be hit and miss I'm sure, most might be 20 years dated. I'm fine with that.

With 31, 65, 85 etc, I can do them, but given that of the info we have is broad (Brooklyn, Manhattan and a combination) we cannot segment everyone to a specific location so, I'd have to zoom out and either just do a hierarchy chart and look for photos or showcase a map with everyone divided by their borough. In the end we have to ask: what are is the purpose for the chart? What does it add? I don't have an answer.

As stated earlier, I can showcase 1900-1920 with early crews/factions which continued and in the 60's & would splinter and evolve into the crews we have today. After 1920 it's difficult for me. One thing that I- as someone going through ancient shit- don't have to contend with is leaders/bosses moving out of their neighborhoods/territories for the suburbs. In 1880's-1920 it's very easy once you know what you're looking for. But economic empowerment lead to upward mobility. Even Lupo didn't always live in his territory and that was 1905 so that's something to take into consideration and no one has typically done better in the NY mafia than captains and bosses.

[Snakes]

What about leadership charts for 1985? All of the info is there and we could probably troubleshoot the inaccuracies between '83 and '88 enough to get them pretty accurate. Including soldiers may be getting too far down into the weeds unless we could determine what crews they belonged to with ~75% accuracy.

Just a thought.

[Angelo Santino]

What about leadership charts for 1985? All of the info is there and we could probably troubleshoot the inaccuracies between '83 and '88 enough to get them pretty accurate. Including soldiers may be getting too far down into the weeds unless we could determine what crews they belonged to with ~75% accuracy.

Just a thought.

Leadership charts already exist for each group in 1988 in the same source that lists the addresses of the admins and captains. And even so for 1983 so it's kinda irrelevant to redo what's already out there. If we can link a majority of soldiers into crews for 83 that's great, if not I'll work around it. It'll be educational. I imagine it would overlap with 1988 but given we have all these addresses for 83 it makes sense to start there.

[Lupara]

1983 would make a nice chart.

I would love to see one of the 1950s though. Consider it a challenge.